This whole business of being "too cute" on offense is just nonsense. My criticism might be that we're not cute enough - we should run those plays against garbage teams just as much as against LSU or Auburn so that our players are ready for them. Other than that, dammit, the coaches weren't really a problem. Players, bless their hearts, made a few mental mistakes. Refs did, too. It happens. I'm not mad at them, and I'm still proud to be a fan and graduate of the University.
Sadly we were outcoached again...
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All due respect, sure you have. This is talking football. If you don't want to join the discussion then don't. Talking BAMA/College football year round and being upset/overjoyed after a game is part of it. This thread will be different next week. You wouldn't be a member of a message board if everybody posted sunshine and rainbows.
. I totally agree, I guess it's easier for everyone to blame the coaches but the players have to come through when the opportunity is there.
I think any objective person would say Saban and the rest of the staff has been outcoached by Miles 2 years in a row. We had the skill players to win the game. Led the SEC in total and scoring offense and yet never drove inside the 10 yard line. After that 2nd missed field goal, I thought we should have just passed on 4th down, or run a fake field goal. There was no way we were making that 3rd field goal.
I hate it when people can't defend their stance with facts and observations without throwing in personal cheap shots in an attempt to anger you while venting their frustrations. They are actually displacing their displeasure's in the game result on you! 99.9% of the time it is from someone that is upset over criticism of Alabama, and they can get away with it because they are on the "Holy Side" of the issue.
I agree with you that your position of critiquing Bama's coaching actions without comparing them to LSU is different from saying that we were "outchoached again" but that bringing up this angle, in this thread, without having to make a new thread is very acceptable. They are related.
Unfortunately, some can't seem to separate the two related areas of observation.
I guess every one is intitled to their opinions. My opinion is that we got beat by a team that executed plays better than we did. I'm sure CNS tried his best to put us in the win column. We've won games that we should have lost and no one whines. I'm putting you and Davefrat on my whiners list so I will know to skip over your posts.
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Throwing stones is a fun pastime for some. Message boards, not TideFans in particular, tend to attract the irrationally angry, unable to cope type. I'm kind of glad actually. Reading the board today has given me a healthy dose of perspective.
I'm gonna mope around a little, then have a sandwich.
If you go back and read my post, I've not been whining. As a matter of fact, I've supported many of the decisions made by our coaching staff and have actually just had a great time discussing the game. However, I just wanted to point out to you that not everybody feels like patting the team on the back after a loss. And I agree with you completely about the execution and CNS putting us in the right situations. Sorry to have offended you. Hence the all due respect.
Yes....my wife...who is an Aggie.....would love to trade coaches right now. We are extremely fortunate to have him as our coach.
I'll try not to be offended. I get teed off when someone disrespects my coach. The adding you to my whiners list was said with tongue in cheek.
it's okay to lay all the fault at the feet of the kids, but saban's 60 years old, gets paid $4million a year, and he's off limits?
In a selfish kind of way, it's therapeutic to know that you don't have the harsh "Grass is Greener" views that some get after a loss. The overkill helps you get to the point of acceptance quicker, and to just move on.
No worries. I'm as big a CNS fan as you will find. But he does make mistakes. I don't believe trying to put points on the board last night was one of them. I question some of the play calls, but he doesn't make those calls. We were there, just didn't execute. Roll Tide
Sadly how many fans just don't realize what we have......
In the last 50 years. We've won 8 National Titles -- that's one every 6.25 years......16% of all of the titles in the past 50 years, we've won.....
And yet, we can't handle losing a supremely tough game to the #1 team -- in OT -- and yet, we aren't out of the woods, where we could win another one.
It makes me sad -- that we can't handle adversity better than we do sometimes.
Let me ask for those that are unhappy with the coaching -- name me ONE head coach out there, that you'd rather have?
In the last 50 years. We've won 8 National Titles -- that's one every 6.25 years......16% of all of the titles in the past 50 years, we've won.....
And yet, we can't handle losing a supremely tough game to the #1 team -- in OT -- and yet, we aren't out of the woods, where we could win another one.
It makes me sad -- that we can't handle adversity better than we do sometimes.
Let me ask for those that are unhappy with the coaching -- name me ONE head coach out there, that you'd rather have?
please tell me who said the grass is greener? has anyone posted that saban's not a great coach? that we need a change? that we'd be better off with someone else? i'd say that's overkill. i'm not losing my mind, moping around the house looking for a noose, or trying to move on. it's a beautiful day, i have a beautiful family, and we'll soon be outside enjoying a great afternoon. just because i think the coaching staff didn't do a good job last night doesn't mean i want a new staff, that i'm tearing up my alumni card, or that i'm staging a mutiny. it's really perplexing that the most over the top stuff is coming from the ones accusing everyone else of being over the top. saban's not a deity, he makes mistakes, he made mistakes last night that could have been avoided. what's selfish about saying that? what's so harsh about it? how is it overkill? again, correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't see anyone here advocating that there's some better alternative to what we currently have.
"Out-coached" is a hard claim to prove and probably not really true, but I think the offensive staff is due some questioning. Even if you think the offensive playcalling was sound, and that it just looked bad due to lack of execution, there's room to question the staff (for example, why does there seem to be a trend of Bama QBs struggling to make reads?).
As for the field goals... I have faith in the staff there. Coach Saban must've had reason to think Cade could hit those.
As for the field goals... I have faith in the staff there. Coach Saban must've had reason to think Cade could hit those.
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