So...Gore doesn't actually pay for his own "carbon offsets"

[Queasy1]

Link - His Investment company pays them for him.

The confusion, Campbell said, arose because GIM pays to offset the energy use of its operations and the personal emissions of its 23 employees, including Gore.

So, the firm will cover the cost to offset the energy use at Gore's home, or his global jet travel, as it would the offset cost of any other employee, Campbell said.

GIM, which Gore started with former Goldman Sachs executive David Blood in 2004, uses the Chicago Climate Exchange and the British-based Carbon Neutral Company to cover the high energy use of GIM and its employees.

Niiiiiiice.

 

[Bama Torch in Pcola]

If they will pay for mine then sign me up!

 

[NYBamaFan]

Carbon offsets are pure BS. You cannot tell everyone else to conserve, but tell them that you don't plan on conserving one bit but get someone else to plant some trees to cover your emissions. It is like saying that you are going to get someone else to stop eating so you feel better about your weight problem...

 

[Chukker Veteran]

How dare Gore work towards better caring for the Earth. Doesn't he realize all the people who deny global warming will mock him?

 

[ValuJet]

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[NYBamaFan]

How dare Gore work towards better caring for the Earth. Doesn't he realize all the people who deny global warming will mock him?

Please tell me how much Gore really cares about the planet. I need to be reminded again. He loves our planet so much more than any of the flat-Earth Republicans...

 

[Bamaro]

Please tell me how much Gore really cares about the planet. I need to be reminded again.

Apparently much more than many of the posters here:tongue:

 

[Queasy1]

How dare Gore work towards better caring for the Earth. Doesn't he realize all the people who deny global warming will mock him?

Sorry but carbon offsets are like an obese person saying that all the chocolate cake, ho-hos, and ding-dongs he eats are OK because he had a salad.

 

[NYBamaFan]

Sorry but carbon offsets is like an obese person saying that all the chocolate cake, ho-hos, and ding-dongs he eats are OK because he had a salad.

No, it is like saying that the cake, ho-hos, and ding-dongs are okay because somebody else had a salad.

Gore isn't out there planting trees, and the trees would be planted whether or not he flew in his private jet. He pays to cover his feeling of guilt, but that jet fuel burned in a single flight equates to more gas consumption than all of my vehicles in my lifetime. Yeah, he cares about the Earth...

 

[Bamaro]

The world if full of those "Dont do as I do, do as I say" types but it doesn't mean that what they say is wrong.

 

[Queasy1]

The world if full of those "Dont do as I do, do as I say" types but it doesn't mean that what they say is wrong.

Gore used the hockey stick model in "An Inconvenient Truth". This has been shown to be wrong.

Gore showed 20 foot waves engulfing New York because of global warming. Previous IPCC reports predict a sea level rise of only 1-2 feet at best.

Gore claims that hurricane activity in 2005 was caused by global warming. This has been disputed regularly.

Gore claimed in "An Inconvenient Truth" that many Polar Bears are dieing because they have to swim greater distances. He based this off a study that found two or four polar bear bodies adrift in the sea. The researchers in the study determined that the polar bears died because they got caught up in a recent storm while swimming. Not because they were worn out from swimming.

Global Warming may be real but in no way has it been determined that it is man-made or even not part of the Earth's normal cycles. Charlatans like Gore just make matters worse.

 

[ValuJet]

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[92tide]

Global Warming may be real but in no way has it been determined that it is man-made or even not part of the Earth's normal cycles.

The two recent studies mentioned in post #23 & post #27 (study in post 23 references study in post 27) of the thread a month ago go a long way in showing this

mash

 

[Bama Torch in Pcola]

The two recent studies mentioned in post #23 & post #27 (study in post 23 references study in post 27) of the thread a month ago go a long way in showing this

mash

I would suggest that it does not. There are too many factors that go into hurricane strength for us make ANY type of declaration. We do not have the data.

 

[92tide]

I would suggest that it does not. There are too many factors that go into hurricane strength for us make ANY type of declaration. We do not have the data.

i was posting the links in response to the man-made part queasy mentioned.

Global Warming may be real but in no way has it been determined that it is man-made or even not part of the Earth's normal cycles.

the first article does talk some about the hurricanes (can't remember the conclusions right off the bat), but references the man-made issue in a graphic towards the end of the paper, and the study referenced in the graphic is the second one mentioned in the thread.

 

[NYBamaFan]

the first article does talk some about the hurricanes (can't remember the conclusions right off the bat), but references the man-made issue in a graphic towards the end of the paper, and the study referenced in the graphic is the second one mentioned in the thread.

The real problem with most calculations that I have seen is that they simply ignore the fact that the other planets have seen the same relative increase in temperatures in the last few decades. Unless humans have been producing the same greenhouse gasses throughout the solar system, there is a very strong case out there that argues that the increases that we are currently experiencing are tied to increased solar output...

 

[92tide]

The real problem with most calculations that I have seen is that they simply ignore the fact that the other planets have seen the same relative increase in temperatures in the last few decades. Unless humans have been producing the same greenhouse gasses throughout the solar system, there is a very strong case out there that argues that the increases that we are currently experiencing are tied to increased solar output...

the second study goes in depth as to how they separate out the man-made portion.

here it is

 

[NYBamaFan]

the second study goes in depth as to how they separate out the man-made portion.

here it is

Yep - saw that one. It doesn't explain my point away. Why are other planets seeing the same relative temperature increases?

 

[Bamaro]

I think everyone agrees that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and CO2 has been increasing ever since the industrial revolution and that temperatures are now increasing. Doesn't it seem logical that some part of the rise is attributable to human activity?

 

[NYBamaFan]

I think everyone agrees that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and CO2 has been increasing ever since the industrial revolution and that temperatures are now increasing. Doesn't it seem logical that some part of the rise is attributable to human activity?

Yes, it seems logical. But there are also other logical arguments...