Got this from another board, but if you think Kalen DeBoer is the only one dealing with spoiled kids here' what Nick said on the McAfee show this week. It's everywhere folks.
Some Context (regarding coach DeBoer’s start)
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That was Saban’s message for at least the last 5 years - probably longer.
Then it reached the point where even that approach didn't work, so he chunked the deuces and went to the lake. I don't blame him to be honest.
People are looking at this and imagining this as to what Dennis Erickson and Larry Coker inherited at Miami, but it’s not… I’m sorry but it just isn’t.
We have a flawed quarterback that has hit his ceiling with very little improvement, a defense that was totally gutted by the vultures and NFL draft that is forced to adopt a totally different philosophy, and a locker room dynamic that is still dividing the team. Honestly I’m shocked we aren’t 3-4 or 4-3 right now.
As for if Saban was still around…. We are probably 5-2 or 4-3. Remember he is still stuck with Rees and replacing a DC.
Disagree - Saban is in Kirbys head, and he would not have lost to Vandy with his defense. Might have dropped a game somewhere, but Alabama would be 6-1 or 7-0 right now with Saban.
No way Saban allows the blatant disrespect of opponents and the practices would have been far more productive.
He would still be stuck with Milroe, but this would be a playoff team.
Doesn't matter. Saban left. It is what it is.
IDK if Grubb was the answer. I really don’t think he wanted to be here from the start and when you have a coach whose heart isn’t in it then it’s probably not good for you either. From all reports is that his wife didn’t want to move and was the reason he didn’t take it in 2023. I think had the Seahawks job fell through then he would probably be a one year rental.
I think we got the better part of the offensive staff with Shep and Sheridan TBH.
You are simply basing that off of Saban’s aura, but totally ignoring that Saban himself was coaching a team that was in 5 one score games last year and should’ve lost to a bad Auburn team. Saban is the greatest of all time and changed better with the times better than anyone else. However he was clearly losing a step from 2021 to 2023 and it wasn’t because of a lack of hardware it was because the amount of compromises he was having to make mixed with the quality of staffers he had. Everyone wants to bring up the undisciplined play under Deboer but doesn’t want to see our penalty numbers from 2021 to 2023. Yes saban was the glue that kept things from falling totally apart but the inevitable 3-4 loss season was coming.
I don’t think we lose to Vandy with Saban but we might lose to USCe.
A lot of Saban’s success in 2024 probably would hinge on whether or not he could keep Downs in Tuscaloosa. Do you take Downs at his word “I left because of Nick Saban’s retirement†or do you think money played the biggest factor like it did with Bonds.
As for the Georgia game… I just don’t know. Kirby facing Saban instead of Deboer in that game probably favors Kirby more because Atleast he knows what to expect. Even Dan Lanning has said numerous times that DeBoer’s offenses are some of the most complex things to look at until you actually see them live. We won the Georgia game because we out schemed them for a half and had Georgia totally confused. IDK if Rees does that, and we probably are in an even game at best with them. Remember we basically won the SECCG because of a fumbled exchange by Beck. Point is can we really say for absolute certainty that Saban comes out with a W when that same staff and same team needed a lucky break to beat them last time. Personally i say we probably lose to UGA and Tennessee with Saban but beat Vandy.
I agree but 2023 and even 2024 is seeing Saban's own decisions come home to roost.
The one thing I have learned is that if you have a player person underperforming in their role is you dont give them more responsibility. I dont see how the team benefits by letting the point guard shoot all the shots...
After seeing how great Tua, Mac, and Bryce were at distributing the ball why one earth would we revert to a very limited one dimensional player in 2023 that we couldnt even build a scheme with? Even with a 50% completion percentage, Ty, Lonergran, or Holstein would have grown into the role in 4-5 games. May still have lost the Texas game. But Saban wasnt being honest with himself if he thought Milroe was ready to beat Texas in 2023.
I mean dang. This is gonna be one of those questions that will nag me for a long time.
The one thing I have learned is that if you have a player person underperforming in their role is you dont give them more responsibility. I dont see how the team benefits by letting the point guard shoot all the shots...
After seeing how great Tua, Mac, and Bryce were at distributing the ball why one earth would we revert to a very limited one dimensional player in 2023 that we couldnt even build a scheme with? Even with a 50% completion percentage, Ty, Lonergran, or Holstein would have grown into the role in 4-5 games. May still have lost the Texas game. But Saban wasnt being honest with himself if he thought Milroe was ready to beat Texas in 2023.
I mean dang. This is gonna be one of those questions that will nag me for a long time.
We also don't really know what they staff would have looked like this year under Saban. We know he was interviewing on his last day, but how many coaches would have ultimately left? Kevin Steele announced his retirement on January 8 and Saban on January 10 -- did Steele know something was up? Just too many unanswered questions.
Why does Paul Finebaum keep saying that Alabama are being impatient with CKD the more I think of Finebaum was a Nick Saban fans.
Realistically, you kinda have to be somewhat patient with him...........new schemes, new plays, etc. I wasn't expecting an NC this year due to those things, but I also didnt want to see the team being held hostage by the same issues that happened last year.........but here we are.
This is complete conjecture on my part, so take it for what it's worth.
I think the team handed over in January had some serious flaws. Lots of very talented players, but not a cohesive, resilient team. Coach Bryant always strove to build a team.
I suspect Coach DeBoer realized this at some point and is trying to get this team to the off-season without losing the team emotionally. (In January 2024, Coach could have said to players, "Get your mind right or hit the portal" and just played whoever wanted to be here and get the best results he could with those players, but I strongly suspect that is not Coach DeBoer's way.)
Bama will be favored against Oklahoma, Mercer, and the Barn. Their most likely loss on the remaining schedule will be LSU (but they may beat LSU as well), so 10-2 or 9-3. I suspect at 9-3 (one of the 3 being Vandy) Bama will be watching the playoffs from outside them.
I further suspect in the off-season, Coach is going to have some more pointed conversations with some players. ("When, not if, you announce you are going to enter the NFL draft or the portal, I promise I will put in a good word for you when the scouts call. Good luck with whatever is next for you.")
I believe year 2 will be much more a Coach DeBoer team than a Saban-DeBoer transition team.
Comparing Coach Saban's year 1 to Coach DeBoer's year 1 is to compare chalk and cheese.
This is based on viewing the program from afar. I know none of the above for a fact.
I think the team handed over in January had some serious flaws. Lots of very talented players, but not a cohesive, resilient team. Coach Bryant always strove to build a team.
I suspect Coach DeBoer realized this at some point and is trying to get this team to the off-season without losing the team emotionally. (In January 2024, Coach could have said to players, "Get your mind right or hit the portal" and just played whoever wanted to be here and get the best results he could with those players, but I strongly suspect that is not Coach DeBoer's way.)
Bama will be favored against Oklahoma, Mercer, and the Barn. Their most likely loss on the remaining schedule will be LSU (but they may beat LSU as well), so 10-2 or 9-3. I suspect at 9-3 (one of the 3 being Vandy) Bama will be watching the playoffs from outside them.
I further suspect in the off-season, Coach is going to have some more pointed conversations with some players. ("When, not if, you announce you are going to enter the NFL draft or the portal, I promise I will put in a good word for you when the scouts call. Good luck with whatever is next for you.")
I believe year 2 will be much more a Coach DeBoer team than a Saban-DeBoer transition team.
Comparing Coach Saban's year 1 to Coach DeBoer's year 1 is to compare chalk and cheese.
This is based on viewing the program from afar. I know none of the above for a fact.
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We've lost two games, one by 5 points, one by 7. Had both games gone slightly different and we're undefeated, Y'all wouldn't be so down on Coach DeBoer. I think he's doing a great job. If we get past LSU, I think our playoff chances will be good.
Didn't Saban choose to use Milroe last year?
Which is the same amount he's lost this year.
And do tell me more about that miracle play he needed to beat an embarrassingly bad Auburn team that this year's Vanderbilt would smoke.
Tell me more about that 24-6 lead over a 4 win Arkansas squad that this team blew last year.
Tell me about that abysmal performance against South Florida last year...
But sure, how dare a new coach take that same erratic roster, minus the likes of Downs, Bond, Amos, etc. and not win 56-0 every week.
You mean the same Vanderbilt that Sark needed three lucky breaks to beat in year four at Texas? Interesting...
So was ULM unforgivable too? What about Utah? If we didn't pull a rabbit out of the hat to beat Auburn last year, how unforgivable would that loss have been - especially knowing this year's Vandy would have dominated them as bad as New Mexico State did...
So Kirby, Sark and Meyer aren't good examples that actually fit, given the fact that they each inherited a goldmine of talent and lost multiple games in their first season?
Not every player fits a coach's scheme, hence why transition years are usually shaky.
And I suppose we should hire Les Miles then if you seriously think he could lead this team to an undefeated season?
I bet you made the same arguments about Saban in 2007, right? "Shula didn't even lose to Louisiana-Monroe. NOT IMPRESSED!"
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