The Decline of the DNC III

[CrimsonJazz]

I dont really see a problem. This bill is just more of the same while accelerating our plunge into more massive debt. Many fine soldiers gave their life and limb for this country. What a shame it would be to have it wind up being in vain.
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Agreed, there were nowhere near enough cuts in that legislation, but sabotaging a family gathering with a debate that ultimately will change nothing is not the way. I have a running list of people I no longer invite to anything because they have a consistent history of pulling crap like this.

 

[jthomas666]

I'm giving you a mission for this Memorial Day holiday weekend.

I want you to talk to two people—friends, neighbors, cookout attendees—about why Trump's proposed budget would be a disaster for American kids.

We owe the next generation every chance, and this isn't it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925927317425045816

Or we could, you know, remember our fallen heroes and leave politics at the door for a little while. What a piece of crap she is.

One can remember the heroes who died to protect this country while trying to protect it ourselves. That sounds like a perfectly appropriate way to honor the fallen. It's called multitasking.

But instead, by all means, let's remember our fallen heroes while pretending that the GOP isn't trying to shove a massive boondoggle down America's throat. I'm sure the GOP will stop shoving for the weekend.

 

[AWRTR]

One can remember the heroes who died to protect this country while trying to protect it ourselves. That sounds like a perfectly appropriate way to honor the fallen. It's called multitasking.

But instead, by all means, let's remember our fallen heroes while pretending that the GOP isn't trying to shove a massive boondoggle down America's throat. I'm sure the GOP will stop shoving for the weekend.

I don't allow political discussion at holiday functions at my house. I'm not in charge of anyone else's house, but it's known this is my rule. Take a break for a minute and have a hotdog or some BBQ Monday. Remember what the holiday is about and chill out. Taking a couple of hours to not concern ourselves with what terrible thing a Rep. or Dem. did last week won't change the course of the country.

Also, I've yet to see anyone's mind changed talking politics at any holiday or family gathering. It just causes nonsense and arguments.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Biden was not too old. He is saddled with infirmities that present themselves with age. Not everyone is afflicted equally or at the same age. My father died a few years ago at 97 and in full on dementia. My mother will be 101 in a few months and she is sharp as a tack.

I don't want to have an argument, and I actually agree in the abstract with everything you said here.

But about ten years ago, my own Dad (who had then just turned 70) said that someone his age had no business in the nuclear era being President of the United States. He said it's not that you're even not sharp so much as it is that you MUST be able to be roused out of a sleep at 3am and make life and death decisions with a clear head, and if you have a Cuban Missile crisis that might be a two-week thing.

Every single person over the age of 70 - and this is from my med school books - has SOME level of dementia. No, most people are not where Biden appeared to be at 80, but Biden also had a long history of family trauma, speech impediment, and aneurysms that made his obviously worse.

And given what was covered up or "don't believe what you see," it's fair to wonder what else might be true in those medical records, too.


But I think the Democrats DO need to listen to David Hogg in the sense they now have these career guys who are hanging around too long and running the risk of losing seats to the other party.

What if Pete Wilson or Arnold Schwarzenegger had been the governor of California when Feinstein died?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I'm giving you a mission for this Memorial Day holiday weekend.

I want you to talk to two people—friends, neighbors, cookout attendees—about why Trump's proposed budget would be a disaster for American kids.

Hillary Clinton never had a life or a plan outside of "I'm gonna be the first woman President, no matter what it takes."

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Also, I've yet to see anyone's mind changed talking politics at any holiday or family gathering. It just causes nonsense and arguments.

I've never seen it work anywhere.

One thing I learned a long time ago: the loudest screamer at the gathering is going to win by attrition and is usually simultaneously the most clueless about how things actually work in politics and government. And most of them will make up on the spot more "facts" than you ever thought possible in one afternoon.

 

[jthomas666]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1926640256490582441

perfect, no notes.

 

[Huckleberry]

Washington Post gift link

Democratic troubles revive debate over left-wing buzzwords
From “intersectionality” to “equity,” many say jargon is alienating key voters. But progressives say inclusive language is vital.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Washington Post gift link

Democratic troubles revive debate over left-wing buzzwords
From “intersectionality” to “equity,” many say jargon is alienating key voters. But progressives say inclusive language is vital.

Couldn’t read the gift link, but I’m going to go ahead and say this is correct. The equity people are already on board and more effort needs to be made to court the center (especially the blue-collar voters they lost.) Mind you, this is only one of the many things Dems need to do (but probably won’t.)

Their big disadvantage (and one they share with Republicans) is that the anti-establishment culture continues to grow. A huge number of Trump supporters absolutely loathe the GOP. The Dems need a populist candidate of their own, one that can win in spite of the party and not because of it.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I wasn't sure whether to put this here or on the media thread. However - if the news media actually wants to restore some credibility, the VERY FIRST question along these lines is:

"Define man."

I mean, if you're gonna talk to this unique species of being, you surely must be able to define what (whom?) is the recipient of your persuasion.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

From “intersectionality” to “equity,” many say jargon is alienating key voters. But progressives say inclusive language is vital.

Not blowing up at you, but this is their entire (all profanities deleted here) problem here in a nutshell.

Conservatives would rather win elections, fair or foul, hardball or not.
Enough liberals would rather make sure they read the small print of the credit card agreement and then shake naughty fingers AT THEIR OWN PEOPLE for not being inclusive enough.

The warm feeling of moral superiority has never been limited to the religious right.

But then remember: these are the same people who really do think that if they just change the word from "gun control" to "gun safety" that the gun owners are DUMB ENOUGH to believe they don't mean the same thing.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Exclusive | NYC pol says law allowing rape suit against him was unconstitutional — despite voting for the legislation

A Brooklyn state senator claims the law allowing a rape lawsuit against him to move forward was unconstitutional — even though he actually voted for the legislation and then bragged about it.

nypost.com

A Brooklyn state senator claims the law allowing a rape lawsuit against him to move forward was unconstitutional — even though he actually voted for the legislation and then bragged about it.

In court records filed this month, notoriously hot-headed pol Kevin Parker formally denied the rape allegations against him. But he also went a step further, asserting that the Adult Survivors Act, which allowed the related lawsuit against him to proceed, was unconstitutional.

The now-expired act permitted alleged victims to file civil lawsuits against their accused attackers within a certain window even if the state’s statute of limitations had run out on their claims.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the same legislation that enabled the E. Jean Carroll fiasco?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Biden aides were willing to do ‘undemocratic things’ to keep faltering president in power: ‘Original Sin’ author

Biden’s staffers felt justified in “picking up the slack” for the faltering president and shielding him because they viewed President Trump as an “existential threat” to democracy, he charged.…

nypost.com

“Who would have been running the White House in a second Biden term?” Bream asked Thompson, after noting that he quoted a long-time Biden aide in his book “basically admitting he shouldn’t be running again.”

“Well, this person went on to say that when you’re voting for a president, you’re voting for the aides around him,” the author and Axios journalist revealed.

“But these aides were not even Senate-confirmed aides,” Thompson pointed out. “These are White House aides, these were unelected people.”

What a mess. The Republicans are going to have to mess up bigly before the Dems recover from this. Eventually they will; voters have very short attention spans, but this feels like something that might stick for a while.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

This RIGHT HERE- tattoo it on your brain - is the problem.

“ I’ve never known anyone that listens to country music” makes you more of an isolated snob lacking, self-awareness than I thought possible. It’s like when hard left columnist Mary McGrory said in the week of Nixon trouncing McGovern in the 1972 election, “I don’t know a single person that voted for Nixon.”

And while Donald Trump is to blame for a lot of the issues, this issue precedes Trump by decades.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

What a mess. The Republicans are going to have to mess up bigly before the Dems recover from this. Eventually they will; voters have very short attention spans, but this feels like something that might stick for a while.

No.

Remember - in March 2005, there was talk of a permanent conservative majority.
Just four years later, there was talk about how Republicans would never win the White House again - because they'd wrecked the economy and they had us in two wars.

Less than two years later, the public revolted and gave the GOP the House. Had the Kook Caucus not nominated Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell and (this one is harder) Linda McMahon they'd have won the Senate.

And the moment folks on fixed incomes get the Draconian cut coming for the rich man's tax cut......combined with higher costs in the stores......

 

[Its On A Slab]

I always thought that people saved up all of the stuff they wanted to argue about for Thanksgiving.

 

[jthomas666]

I wasn't sure whether to put this here or on the media thread. However - if the news media actually wants to restore some credibility, the VERY FIRST question along these lines is:

"Define man."

I mean, if you're gonna talk to this unique species of being, you surely must be able to define what (whom?) is the recipient of your persuasion.
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Getting a definition for "American" might be useful as well.

 

[jthomas666]

No.

Remember - in March 2005, there was talk of a permanent conservative majority.
Just four years later, there was talk about how Republicans would never win the White House again - because they'd wrecked the economy and they had us in two wars.

Less than two years later, the public revolted and gave the GOP the House. Had the Kook Caucus not nominated Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell and (this one is harder) Linda McMahon they'd have won the Senate.

And the moment folks on fixed incomes get the Draconian cut coming for the rich man's tax cut......combined with higher costs in the stores......

Remember, the Supreme Court ruled that politically motivated gerrymandering is perfectly constitutional

 

[Bamaro]

Biden aides were willing to do ‘undemocratic things’ to keep faltering president in power: ‘Original Sin’ author

Biden’s staffers felt justified in “picking up the slack” for the faltering president and shielding him because they viewed President Trump as an “existential threat” to democracy, he charged.…

nypost.com

What a mess. The Republicans are going to have to mess up bigly before the Dems recover from this. Eventually they will; voters have very short attention spans, but this feels like something that might stick for a while.

And they will have to continue to cover up for Dementia Don.

 

[Bodhisattva]

I always thought that people saved up all of the stuff they wanted to argue about for Thanksgiving.

You're thinking of Festivus and the airing of grievances.