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Cue all the “but that’s (D)ifferent……”

What’s clear is that the liberals speaking out don’t want a president, they want a king. Albeit a liberal king – but still a king, who would be unrestrained by Congress as well as the checks and balances enshrined in our Constitution.

These disenchanted liberals apparently wanted Obama – upon taking office – to have instantly transformed every campaign promise into law by the simple wave of a pen.

Me?
I’d be REAL curious how many folks at the rally today would be OK with it just so long as it was someone they liked. The folks saying right now that we should expand the Supreme Court would not be in favor of it right now when the other party is ruling things just like they wouldn’t be in favor of abolishing the filibuster right now.

(Speaking of that…. remember when the left-wing argument was they had to abolish the filibuster to do things because the Republicans were going to do that anyway? If that’s true, why haven’t the Republicans abolished the filibuster NOW and used it to do what they want?)
 
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some_al_fan said:
Do our libertarian friends support today's No Kings protests or do they prefer to have a king?
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I would have some respect for this if it were a demonstration against government overreach generally. If that were the case, it would have been going on for decades (and maybe done some good in slowing the growth of stupidity) and show that people are paying attention instead of just cosplaying. Today’s anti-Burger King crown was yesterday’s keffiyeh was last week’s Che Guevara t-shirt. It’s just a costume. It would be nice if people had a clue about the Constitution and the proper role of government but most don’t. I am sadly quite confident that those who oppose Trump’s version of government overreach are perfectly fine with the blue-style of government overreach. Just like on this board.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It's not about my standards. It's about and able-bodied adult being a responsible person - acting like an adult, in other words. It is extremely easy to be successful in this country. It is harder and takes longer than it should thank to governmental hurdles like inflation. But it is still easily achievable.

No firing squads or lethal injections are necessary (unless they have earned the punishment for a capital offense). My default is to leave people along. Adversity can build character and encourage you to improve. It certainly did with me as a poor kids growing up in the sticks of Alabama. It certainly did for my wife growing up in enforced poverty in Vietnam.

For your sad-sack example, all the rewards are theirs (I have no right to them). All the detriments are theirs (I have no responsibility for them). I may choose to help, but I have no obligation to do so. Same with you. Feeling bad for someone and making others bail them out is selfish and cowardly. "That guy sucks, and I wish he didn't. You (taxpayer) bail him out, so I can feel better about myself."

Again, libertarian ideology at its foundation is an understanding of human nature. The ideology doesn't break by realize what people are and how incentives work and how government doesn't.
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Sorry, it seems like you are answering a different question.
Let me rephrase it. "There is a person who did not live their life to your standards. No relatives. That person can’t afford food and shelter at their age, let’s say 75-80. Can’t work anymore." What are you going to do about them? It is not a question about empathy, but a rather practical question of how to dispose of the body, so to speak. Firing squad? What is the proposed solution of your ideology, and who is going to pay for it?
 
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75thru79 said:
Student loans are an abomination that should have never happened. All they have done is enslave a huge population of young people under a mountain of ill-advised debt and allowed universities a steady supply of money without ever having to examine their business model and provide value for the astronomical amounts of money they charge. You don't dare say this in public because "education is the answer to all your problems", according to the left. I got news for them, it isn't. So you go into debt for that philosophy, humanities, literature degree? Great. Good for you. I'm sure that fancy degree and the "enlightenment" it brings will pay your rent and put food on the table.

I am not against education. Not in the least. We all should strive to become better versions of ourselves. However, there have to be limits to what you spend. If you are going to go into debt for an education, please, for the love of god, get a degree that will actually help you pay the bills. If you just want to be enlightened then do independent study. The internet has all you need, for free, to learn all you want to know about the stuff they teach you in those worthless degree classes.
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There are so many better plans than federal loans, which only increase costs and encourage people wo accumulate debt while wasting time.

- Determine if you really need a college degree. Would a trade be better suited for you?
- Go to community college. They are dirt cheap.
- Go to state university. In-state tuition is not that expensive.
- Earn a scholarship. Besides defraying a lot of costs, that would give you an indication that you are suited for college.
- Go to school part time while you work your way for college.

All of the above are existing options.

What also should happen is that universities provide loans instead of taxpayers. That's a great incentive for the university to have skin in the game of their students' success, so they can pay back their loan.
 
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some_al_fan said:
Sorry, it seems like you are answering a different question.
Let me rephrase it. "There is a person who did not live their life to your standards. No relatives. That person can’t afford food and shelter at their age, let’s say 75-80. Can’t work anymore." What are you going to do about them? It is not a question about empathy, but a rather practical question of how to dispose of the body, so to speak. Firing squad? What is the proposed solution of your ideology, and who is going to pay for it?
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Able-bodied adults should pay their own bills. Why can't these people buy food? They should have been building assets for 50-60 years. If they choose not to, that's their choice. 🤷‍♂️ I feel no obligation to help irresponsible people. I used to when dealing with family. But, the thing about stupid, irresponsible people is that they are stupid and irresponsible. Give them a hundred dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars, it won't help. They'll just briefly enjoy their irresponsible behavior more lavishly until your money is gone. I know this first-hand. I'm not doing it anymore. They will live the rest of their lives not only in poverty, but heavily in debt, with nothing to pass to their children.

Want me to give them your contact info. :p
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Able-bodied adults should pay their own bills. Why can't these people buy food? They should have been building assets for 50-60 years. If they choose not to, that's their choice. 🤷‍♂️ I feel no obligation to help irresponsible people. I used to when dealing with family. But, the thing about stupid, irresponsible people is that they are stupid and irresponsible. Give them a hundred dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars, it won't help. They'll just briefly enjoy their irresponsible behavior more lavishly until your money is gone. I know this first-hand. I'm not doing it anymore. They will live the rest of their lives not only in poverty, but heavily in debt, with nothing to pass to their children.

Want me to give them your contact info. :p
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Being irresponsible is one of the best ways to move to the head of the line in the victimhood Olympics.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
There are so many better plans than federal loans, which only increase costs and encourage people wo accumulate debt while wasting time.

- Determine if you really need a college degree. Would a trade be better suited for you?
- Go to community college. They are dirt cheap.
- Go to state university. In-state tuition is not that expensive.
- Earn a scholarship. Besides defraying a lot of costs, that would give you an indication that you are suited for college.
- Go to school part time while you work your way for college.

All of the above are existing options.

What also should happen is that universities provide loans instead of taxpayers. That's a great incentive for the university to have skin in the game of their students' success, so they can pay back their loan.
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Look, maybe it would all be better if we had LIMITATIONS FOR MAJORS. What I mean is, "OK, we can have 3,000 engineering majors this year, 2,000 lawyers, 1500 doctors, and 350 art majors" at least as far as student loans go. And make it competitive. Someone else who is going to pay out of pocket for it can major in whatever they wish.

But the whole thing is a scam and has been for years.

I'm part of that generation where we were brainwashed from first grade to graduation that "it doesn't matter what your major is, just go to college and don't be a welder/mechanic/garbage man. Major in anything and you will won't be a failure." And YES - I heard that tale over and over, selling college like a valued commodity that had a guaranteed payoff.

It does - if you major in something that....you know, MAKES MONEY!!

I'm also more than a little put out with "I don't want to live in the dorm, so I will borrow TWICE the money of tuition and fees to live elsewhere and eat restaurant food and oh yeah, gotta go to Fort Lauderdale for spring break."

And yes, if the universities suffered the consequences of bad loans, it would stop a lot of it.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Able-bodied adults should pay their own bills. Why can't these people buy food? They should have been building assets for 50-60 years. If they choose not to, that's their choice. 🤷‍♂️ I feel no obligation to help irresponsible people. I used to when dealing with family. But, the thing about stupid, irresponsible people is that they are stupid and irresponsible. Give them a hundred dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars, it won't help. They'll just briefly enjoy their irresponsible behavior more lavishly until your money is gone. I know this first-hand. I'm not doing it anymore. They will live the rest of their lives not only in poverty, but heavily in debt, with nothing to pass to their children.

Want me to give them your contact info. :p
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You continue to avoid answering the question. It is not about empathy, but about practicality.
They did not build their assets. For whatever reason. Maybe they’ve been hit by a car and got disability. Or were born with health issues. It is irrelevant.
What is your solution to dispose of them? Since they don’t have food and shelter, they are on the street, let’s say close to your fabulous house.
What is your proposed solution? I don’t need a lecture on empathy. I need a practical solution on how to solve the problem.
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
I'm also more than a little put out with "I don't want to live in the dorm, so I will borrow TWICE the money of tuition and fees to live elsewhere and eat restaurant food and oh yeah, gotta go to Fort Lauderdale for spring break."
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You must be really old :)

Living in the dorm is the most expensive part of college these days. Trust me, since I just had 1 kid who graduated from Alabama this year and another one who is a freshman there.
 
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Look, maybe it would all be better if we had LIMITATIONS FOR MAJORS. What I mean is, "OK, we can have 3,000 engineering majors this year, 2,000 lawyers, 1500 doctors, and 350 art majors" at least as far as student loans go. And make it competitive. Someone else who is going to pay out of pocket for it can major in whatever they wish.

But the whole thing is a scam and has been for years.

I'm part of that generation where we were brainwashed from first grade to graduation that "it doesn't matter what your major is, just go to college and don't be a welder/mechanic/garbage man. Major in anything and you will won't be a failure." And YES - I heard that tale over and over, selling college like a valued commodity that had a guaranteed payoff.

It does - if you major in something that....you know, MAKES MONEY!!

I'm also more than a little put out with "I don't want to live in the dorm, so I will borrow TWICE the money of tuition and fees to live elsewhere and eat restaurant food and oh yeah, gotta go to Fort Lauderdale for spring break."

And yes, if the universities suffered the consequences of bad loans, it would stop a lot of it.
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Don't know what it is like for other majors, but for architecture, we had to re-apply to the architecture school after our 2nd year. I know a couple of people that got denied, despite having the grades.
 
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Don't know what it is like for other majors, but for architecture, we had to re-apply to the architecture school after our 2nd year. I know a couple of people that got denied, despite having the grades.
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When Lily was sorting out acceptance offers to nursing schools, several of them (IIRC, Florida, UCF, and maybe FAU) were set up for students not to be accepted into the nursing program until after sophomore year. For all of the schools, you take basic and prerequisite classes the first two years. We didn't like that risk. Lily could be an excellent student at UF and still not make it into nursing due to simply a numbers crunch. We eliminated those schools due to this set up. She's in her second year at USF, and as long as she keeps killing it, she will graduate as a nurse. The only way she can't make it is she screws up and not to things beyond her control.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I would have some respect for this if it were a demonstration against government overreach generally. If that were the case, it would have been going on for decades (and maybe done some good in slowing the growth of stupidity) and show that people are paying attention instead of just cosplaying. Today’s anti-Burger King crown was yesterday’s keffiyeh was last week’s Che Guevara t-shirt. It’s just a costume. It would be nice if people had a clue about the Constitution and the proper role of government but most don’t. I am sadly quite confident that those who oppose Trump’s version of government overreach are perfectly fine with the blue-style of government overreach. Just like on this board.
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Bodhisattva said:
I am sadly quite confident that those who oppose Trump’s version of government overreach are perfectly fine with the blue-style of government overreach. Just like on this board.
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Perhaps so. And I am sadly quite confident that many of those who oppose the blue-style of government overreach are perfectly fine with Trump’s version of government overreach. Just like on this board.
 
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I appreciate the passion you have for your personal and family ideology. More of it is needed sincerely.

But it is not a workable form of government. If you think for a moment, there is virtually nothing you enjoy or need that was developed with libertarian aspirations in mind. The law enforcement securing your family and property, the money in your account is actually the property of the federal government that they let you use. The roads you drive on, the medicine you take. None of this would exist in a full on libertarian society. The internet, none of it would exist.

Argentina under its current leadership is/was attempting to pursue libertarian aims in government. How is that working out? Rampant inflation necessitating is giving them $40B to keep China from setting up shop there.

Your libertarian ideals are what make you keep getting back up after getting knocked down. But sooner or later in life we all need a helping hand and for alot of people the government is the only hand available. Probably because those out there chasing their libertarian way of life are not available to extend their hand to others in need.

Bodhisattva said:
Able-bodied adults should pay their own bills. Why can't these people buy food? They should have been building assets for 50-60 years. If they choose not to, that's their choice. 🤷‍♂️ I feel no obligation to help irresponsible people. I used to when dealing with family. But, the thing about stupid, irresponsible people is that they are stupid and irresponsible. Give them a hundred dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars, it won't help. They'll just briefly enjoy their irresponsible behavior more lavishly until your money is gone. I know this first-hand. I'm not doing it anymore. They will live the rest of their lives not only in poverty, but heavily in debt, with nothing to pass to their children.

Want me to give them your contact info. :p
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COLUMBUS – State Representative D.J. Swearingen (R-Huron) today announced that he is preparing to initiate the Ohio House of Representative’s removal proceedings against Judge Ted Berry, who refused to resign after making egregious and inflammatory public statements in support of the political assassination of Charlie Kirk.

“Judge Berry has had every opportunity to step down in recognition of his misconduct and his blatant violations of judicial ethics,” said Swearingen. “His refusal to resign leaves the legislature no choice but to pursue the most serious option available to ensure public confidence in the fairness of Ohio’s courts.”
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