Time to Look in the Mirror

davefrat

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it is long past the time to stop defending ourselves with lame exhortations that everyone else cheats, philip fulmer is the cause of all our problems, and tennessee has immunity from the ncaa.

we have plenty of skeletons in our own closet to deal with and it simply makes us look like crybabies and fools to ignore the very real problems that exist within our own football program.

it's embarrassing to hear these excuses every time another of the shortcomings at the capstone becomes public...and recent events have made it plain that there is much work to be done to right the ship at bama.

i know there are some out there who will never accept the fact that the bama football program was corrupted from without and within...but that's a fact we all must deal with.

today we are all paying a price for past transgressions. at present, our opponents have many legitimate reasons to ridicule us. chief among them is the apparent refusal of many bama fans to look in the mirror and accept our own failures.

i, for one, have no doubts that almost every other major school violates ncaa rules. i also have no doubts that almost every other major school plays loose and fast with the education of their student-athletes. finally, i also believe that the ncaa favors some schools and offers others up as sacrificial lambs.

all this, however, does nothing to exhonerate us of our transgressions. the sooner we all come to terms with the fact that Alabama football is far from exemplary, the better off we will all be.

show some of that dignity and class that's always bantered about here. anything less is unbecoming of The University of Alabama and the legacy of Coach Bryant.
 
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Whining

I totally agree. I have never been one to say that Phil Fulmer is the root to all our problems. The only problem we have with him is thw W/L record he has against us. Whether he snitched on us is not a factor here. No other fan base wants to hear it and I sure don't. We are ALABAMA and we can fight back to become an elite program once more. This program has remade its self over and over throughout history. Who's to say we can't do it again. We gotta have patience and Shula will, I mean will, bring this thing to where we all want it to be. In the Sugar Bowl year in year out, barring if the NC game is elsewhere. But you all get the drift, its time to face the facts. Thieving boosters are the cause, we payed our price and we are on the way back up. I for one will have great pride when we are kicking *** once again. I will have plenty to talk about to other friends of rival institutions.
 
Albertville Guy said:
good post Dave, alot of truth to it.

Yep, there is a lot of truth to Dave's post. Things were not kosher with some boosters and we made it easy for some snipers to pick us off. If everything was above board (the accusations, conviction and punishment) there would be very few "whiners" in the Bama fanbase. Bama's Athletic Department demonstrated they would not tolerate cheating when they handled the basketball incident the way they did. Here's hoping that a lot more "truth" will come out in June. RTR
 
My 2 cents.......

I don't recall reading any posts by anyone who thought The Bama program was as pure as the driven snow. The bone I have to pick with Fulmer is the "quid pro quo" he shared with Johanningmeyer and the nz2a. He was about to get slammed so he and Dickey and Kramer handed them Bama. Fulmer get's away clean. No investigations no nothing. Bensyl-Meyers was completely ignored and now the nz2a is getting into "academics". Mark my word. We will probably lose schollys over this new nz2a academics policy and Tutorsee will forfeit nothing. It's a given that stuff goes on all over. Joe Wille drove to Tuscaloosa from Beaver Falls, PA with a smoking, oil burner of an old mercury. Two days later, I saw him driving a "company car" down University Blvd. which he drove for some time. He always wore nice clothes, although he had no job to speak of. I'm sorry, we're guilty, but so the hell is everyone else. Until the playing field is leveled one way or another, I'll always have a bi+ch and a gripe with Phattimus. I want some revenge. I want to savor him going down. I also want to win the California Lottery but.................
 
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I agree with Spot. There's a difference between blaming problems on someone, and demanding equal treatment.

Alabama's problems were mostly of its own doing, although the NCAA had a lot of help making its case. That's water under the bridge now.

What I'd like to see, going forward, is a commitment to treat all schools equally. I have yet to see anything from new commissioner Mike Slive that leads me to believe he's serious about changing the atmosphere, and given that the NCAA was just caught lying about its own bylaws in the Rick Neuheisel case, it doesn't appear they're serious about it either.

Only Alabama can fix Alabama. But the system itself must have an overseer who is not apt to play favorites, and I don't think we have that right now.
 
davefrat said:
it is long past the time to stop defending ourselves with lame exhortations that everyone else cheats, philip fulmer is the cause of all our problems, and tennessee has immunity from the ncaa.

we have plenty of skeletons in our own closet to deal with and it simply makes us look like crybabies and fools to ignore the very real problems that exist within our own football program.

it's embarrassing to hear these excuses every time another of the shortcomings at the capstone becomes public...and recent events have made it plain that there is much work to be done to right the ship at bama.

i know there are some out there who will never accept the fact that the bama football program was corrupted from without and within...but that's a fact we all must deal with.

today we are all paying a price for past transgressions. at present, our opponents have many legitimate reasons to ridicule us. chief among them is the apparent refusal of many bama fans to look in the mirror and accept our own failures.

i, for one, have no doubts that almost every other major school violates ncaa rules. i also have no doubts that almost every other major school plays loose and fast with the education of their student-athletes. finally, i also believe that the ncaa favors some schools and offers others up as sacrificial lambs.

all this, however, does nothing to exhonerate us of our transgressions. the sooner we all come to terms with the fact that Alabama football is far from exemplary, the better off we will all be.

show some of that dignity and class that's always bantered about here. anything less is unbecoming of The University of Alabama and the legacy of Coach Bryant.

By and large, I think most BAMA fans have accepted that we were guilty to a degree. The problem is that we were singled out and punished while everyone else walked free, rules and laws can't be effective if they're selectively applied.
 
We were treated unfairly, made a scapegoat, an example, lied about, etc., etc. And I have accepted it and will have to live with it. Because I don't like it and complain about it makes me a whinner? Or maybe you didn't mean me. :)

I don't hate Tennessee. I don't hate Fulmer. But I do hate the NCAA.
 
Redwood Forrest said:
We were treated unfairly, made a scapegoat, an example, lied about, etc., etc. And I have accepted it and will have to live with it. Because I don't like it and complain about it makes me a whinner? Or maybe you didn't mean me. :)

I don't hate Tennessee. I don't hate Fulmer. But I do hate the NCAA.

redwood, i don't have a problem with reasonable complaints about the ncaa. i hate them too. but some bama fans, when confronted with evidence of our misdeeds, too quickly and consistently fall back on "fulmer, phatty, UT, conspiracy," etc.

we can agree to disagree, but after a while it makes bama fans look like crybabies who want to blame everyone else for their own problems.
 
It's very ironic that those who complain the loudest during the season are the same one's who criticize the complaints in the off-season.
 
TerryP said:
It's very ironic that those who complain the loudest during the season are the same one's who criticize the complaints in the off-season.
:biggrin:

I don't believe we were guilty of anything except mis-representing ourselves and doing a poor job of defending ourselves against the charges against us.

Additionally, I have zero respect for the record of UT under Phil Fulmer considering the scandal and behaviour of the players, staff, and administration of that "institution".

So I guess I disagree with Davefrat on all points.

And I have to be careful not to gaze into the mirror for too long, cause I get mesmerized.
 
TerryP said:
It's very ironic that those who complain the loudest during the season are the same one's who criticize the complaints in the off-season.

i, for one, didn't do too much complaining during the season. in fact, i was pretty solid in telling people to back off spencer pennington and regularly defended the coaching staff, saying that they had done a very good job in light of the injuries and depleted numbers.
 
Did I call you out Dave? ;) It was merely an observation based on the history of sports message boards.

What do they say about the guilty dog? ;) :biggrin:
 
Should Bama fans look in the mirror? Or should the University?

I think if the University looked in the mirror right now, the face staring back would not even faintly resemble the one that would have stared back from 1997 through 2000. The face of those days would have been smug and arrogant. It would have convinced itself that it was untouchable, and that the ends justified the 'means.'

The face of today is neither smug, nor arrogant. It is confident and full of character, determination and guarded optimism. It's the face of someone who knows he has a long way to go yet, but it's also the face of someone who is absolutely committed to getting there, and getting there by the book.

Now, if Bama fans looked in the mirror... well, the face looks a little different than it did then, too. It's a little older, a little wiser, a little more vigilant. The face bears a few scars from blows that were probably deserved, but the face bears some righteous indignation, because if we deserved those scars, others did too.

No one likes being treated unequally. And no one who has been treated that way ever looks the same.

I don't 'blame' anyone and don't want any restitution. I just want to see everyone play by the same rules, and everyone who breaks the rules treated the same way.

Has that happened?
 
Fwiw...

I am tired of dwelling in the past. When we are finally through with all of our sanctions, the Young case reopens the wound. And, I can guarantee you all the hoopla surrounding the Williams/Cottrell case will as well. Until these two cases (and any others go away), hostility/hatred continues to build within all Bama fans (for UT/NCAA/et. al). This, unfortunately, is where we are at:
* Coming off two straight mediocre (for Bama) seasons (reasons abound).
* Coming off an almost incredulous rash of injuries to primary players.
* Recovering from 2 coaches who placed personal interests above the team.
* Building depth lost due to scholarship sanctions.
* Building experience in our head coach and many assistants.
* Facing a difficult road with the present APR situation.
Fact is, we are where we are and no complaining about what got us here (it was a combination of many things; some we could control, some not). There are two things that will lead to reversing our situation: loyalty and patience. Yes, I want "equal treatment" to punish UT in the same way we suffered. It will not (provided it ever happens), however, provide answers and healing to what we are faced with in the program. SSL.
 
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