Transfer Portal 2023-2024...

[denver]

5* freshman QBs dont win National Championships very often...give me an experienced college QB over one of them all day...and if you arent willing to earn it....leave

 

[SkullDuckery]

At this point it's like a game of Jenga though.

Sayin leaving makes others leaving more likely. He's one of the piece holding up the other pieces.

I don't know what to believe at this point, I got a bit of bad information my self and overreacted to it.

But, if this staff really was big on Mack, they could have waited. If they pushed Sayin out the door, man... the ripple effects could be broad.

DeBoer has to win now if this story has legs. You can't make moves like this and not immediately produce results. I'm biased, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

But I'm certainly not the only person that's biased. Sayin was a prized recruit a lot of people put their faith in.

Deboer strikes me as a cut to the chase kind of person. If he didn’t want sayin then he was up front and told him to find another home. That’s the kind of person I want running this program.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

He hasn’t had the job for a week and has one, if not both, arm tied behind his back!!

I understand that. I'm just saying it'd be nice to get a win.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

I don’t need to know every inside detail to welcome a new coach.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I hope I am. I have been as negative on the issue as anyone here (I hope there's some understanding because my attitude came with the belief it would play out like we're seeing).

I really, really wanted to keep these guys around and let them get a ring. The talent was there, I wanted a Les Miles type of ring for these guys, one last Saban ring.

More than that though I just want to be wrong about this and have some people tired of hearing my cynicism rub it in my face.

My initial impression was clouded by an inaccurate offer list, but there are some reports coming out that the staff was in fact higher on Mack than Sayin. If that's the case, and they were willing to accept the ripple effects of even losing other guys because Sayin left, then I'd say it really needs to pay off and Mack does in fact need to be better.

We'll learn more one way or the other though.


You're not wrong there. I think I usually come off as more negative than I feel, but the Sayin news felt like a guy punch. I've never dealt well with worrying something might happen, warning about it, then experiencing it happen.

Then again I'm trying to talk it out instead of just punching air, heh.

What other way could this play out? No other team got a thirty day transfer window because Saban retired. The only way this was going to flow was out, the only inward flow would be from other teams who are changing coaching staffs, or someone like Taulia or the Miami tight end. This isn't recruiting, this is weathering the storm, and there will be damage.

The simple truth is a lot of these kids came to play for Saban, and no amount of talking was going to change that. CKD is not Saban, but then again no one else is either. You set yourself up for failure thinking that all these recruits came to play for the Crimson and White, and not Saban.

If you listen to Tyler Booker all he mentions is CKS's non-negotiable: Family. This football team will be a family. The kids that stay will be playing for one another, and not themselves.

Take comfort in that a step back for Alabama is three losses.

 

[The Ols]

Jeeze just when ya think it can't get worse, your prized QB from the most recent cycle hits the portal. :/ already been a rough year for Bama football.
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What’s your point?

 

[BamaMoon]

I mean, if there was ever a time some of you negative nellies need to step back from the ledge it is TODAY!

I loved the prospect of JS running "Bama's offense" under Saban. IOW returning to having a QB like Tua, Mac and Bryce, but he was committed to CNS and that system.

So it's understandable he's had a change of heart. It doesn't make him a bad kid. It doesn't make Deboer a bad replacement.

And bringing in AM didn't scare and hurt JS feelings. If it did, do y'all really want him???

Bama is bigger than Downs and Sayin.

 

[CrimSonami]

So some are criticizing accepting a transfer QB who was selected by a head coach and OC, which the majority of Tide Fans were high on before Tommy Rees, because a QB who hasn’t taken a snap in college was offered but chose to play for a particular coach as opposed to the system and coach he previously rejected decided portal out.

Okay

 

[BamaMoon]

I'm guessing that Sayin gave us a heads-up and then we went after Mack...

This makes the most sense. I'm confident JS didn't decide to transfer because AM decided to follow his former coach and OC.

 

[DrJJoyner]

DeBoer has barely had time to bring his staff in and get oriented

1000% this. He was literally offered the job a week ago today. He didn't get into town until like 9pm.

 

[KrAzY3]

It’s the long game, we hired a program builder and not worried as much about losing a player that will be around two or three years….maybe if we are lucky.

I kind of mispoke and used the wrong word in an early post, I said I was patient but that wasn't quite accurate. I held my tongue (hard to believe, I know) and hoped the optimistic view was correct, but it became harder to do that when the pessimistic view was being realized.

I'm not sure DeBoer could be considered a program builder. He's excelled with other people's talent, that is unquestionable, what his teams would look like over a longer period of time is actually much cloudier.

I think people mistakenly think he built the Sioux Falls program. He didn't, he played for a guy named Bob Young who turned that program around and had only 5 losses in his last four years. Bob Young had a lengthy career there and won one championship.

DeBoer takes over and takes them to new heights. three championships, only 3 losses in 5 years. Great accomplishment, but not a build from the ground up situation, not even a rebuild, may be an overhaul.

Then he goes to Fresno State and this was a team that was 4-8 before he was hired. 3-3 the first year, then 9-3. Good job there, but in only 2 years I'm not sure how one would say he built a program (especially since they won 12 games in 2018). His recruits were true freshman and true sophomores, certainly not the heart of the team. I will say though they were 10-4 in 2022 so it doesn't appear he left them in bad shape.

Next he goes to Washington, they were a bad team, 4-8, but they had a couple solid recruiting classes in the teens. He immediately is successful after the Penix addition, going 11-2 and then 14-1.

But, his recruits were once again true freshman and true sophomores. Like Mack, a lot haven't even seen the field yet, so we don't even know how good they'd be. His incoming recruiting class was ranked in the 30s so on the surface at least it seemed like a drop off in talent.

I know, DeBoer can win with other people's players. He's done that twice. I don't really have an idea what a team of DeBoer recruits would look like. It's kind of Schrödinger's cat to me. Could be good, could be bad. No idea because we haven't really seen it play out.

I didn't want to find out just yet what a DeBoer team looks like because I was hoping he'd have a Saban team for a couple of years. Obviously that's making me nervous, heh

before we doom him to Mike Price levels

For the record, I don't think he's Mike Price. I think he's a good Xs and Os coach and probably doesn't like strippers as much as Mike Price, heh.

 

[Nolan]

No matter what name flashes on my screen today, tomorrow, or next week during this ridiculous nightmare I can have 1000% confidence that once this is over, and we head into the Spring, Summer, and Fall, we will have a TEAM that is committed for the right reasons. And that is nice to know.

 

[BamaMoon]

Deboer strikes me as a cut to the chase kind of person. If he didn’t want sayin then he was up front and told him to find another home. That’s the kind of person I want running this program.

There's simply NO WAY Deboer tells JS to leave the program. There's plenty of room for them in the QB room.

AM's entry is a good thing and that would still be true if JS was staying.

 

[stlimprov]

Man...keeping up with SEC territory's position on deregulation vs. regulation, central power, etc. is kind of dizzying these days.

 

[BamaMoon]

I kind of mispoke and used the wrong word in an early post, I said I was patient but that wasn't quite accurate. I held my tongue (hard to believe, I know) and hoped the optimistic view was correct, but it became harder to do that when the pessimistic view was being realized.

I'm not sure DeBoer could be considered a program builder. He's excelled with other people's talent, that is unquestionable, what his teams would look like over a longer period of time is actually much cloudier.

I think people mistakenly think he built the Sioux Falls program. He didn't, he played for a guy named Bob Young who turned that program around and had only 5 losses in his last four years. Bob Young had a lengthy career there and won one championship.

DeBoer takes over and takes them to new heights. three championships, only 3 losses in 5 years. Great accomplishment, but not a build from the ground up situation, not even a rebuild, may be an overhaul.

Then he goes to Fresno State and this was a team that was 4-8 before he was hired. 3-3 the first year, then 9-3. Good job there, but in only 2 years I'm not sure how one would say he built a program. His recruits were true freshman and true sophomores, certainly not the heart of the team. I will say though they were 10-4 in 2022 so it doesn't appear he left them in bad shape.

Then he goes to Washington, they were a bad team, 4-8, but they had a couple solid recruiting classes in the teens. He immediately is successful after the Penix addition, going 11-2 and then 14-1.

But, his recruits were once again true freshman and true sophomores. Like Mack, a lot haven't even seen the field yet, so we don't even know how good they'd be. His incoming recruiting class was ranked in the 30s so on the surface at least it seemed like a drop off in talent.

I know, DeBoer can win with other people's players. He's done that twice. I don't really have an idea what a team of DeBoer recruits would look like. It's kind of Schrödinger's cat to me. Could be good, could be bad. No idea because we haven't really seen it play out.

I didn't want to find out just yet what a DeBoer team looks like because I was hoping he'd have a Saban team for a couple of years. Obviously that's making me nervous, heh


For the record, I don't think he's Mike Price. I think he's a good Xs and Os coach and probably doesn't like strippers as much as Mike Price, heh.

DUDE! You are letting an 18 year old QB who's never played a snap cause you to sound silly!

My lands, GB is one of the best ADs in the business and I'm very confident he got us the right coach.

 

[CrimsonCleanse]

One real head scratcher is, if these guys are getting out of dodge so fast that they are leaving trails of fire behind them because they were committed to Saban and NOT the Tide, then what will be their story at their next stop? Will they be committed to the schools of USC, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Texas, etc? Or will they be committed to the coaches of said schools? And if it's the latter, then how "committed" will they be to their next coach if all they ever wanted was to play for Saban?

 

[Tidelines]

Sayin will be good. I don't doubt that. The good news is there will be good QBs, safeties, and all other positions coming out this coming year. You can't write off DeBoer's recruiting at Bama without actually giving him a couple of years. He has never been any where he has had the advantages Bama has. I hate the losses, but we will make out fine.

 

[davefrat]

1000% this. He was literally offered the job a week ago today. He didn't get into town until like 9pm.

Offered the job a week ago and a week later the best players on the team and the best recruits have jumped ship.

It would be interesting to see what's going on in his head right now...did he expect this or is he anywhere near as concerned as many fans?

 

[CrimsonTheory]

Whatever. The story is just beginning. I am just going to wait it out and see what happens. Bama is Bama and there are plenty of young men who wants to play at Alabama.

 

[BamaInBham]

The work hours and his age to put the hours in no doubt had A LOT to do with his retirement. But there's no way someone will ever convince me that the signs in the decline of the program didnt start showing itself after 2018 (save 2020, the anomaly) because I witnessed it with my own eyes. The NIL and transfer portal were the nails in the coffin for him, IMO. At that point that made his decision definite.

Could not agree more. The loss to Clemson was shocking, not as much the final score but the fact that prior to halftime he looked like he had already given up, though the game was in reach. I had never seen that before. That game did not change him but he had already begun to change. Don't know what it was or precisely when but it had already begun and would continue to manifest itself in many ways. If I were forced to guess, the incredible turnover on his staff was the primary precipitator. It just wore him out and he began to settle and just stumbled into Sarkisian, Flood and a few others.

With that in mind, this new staff looks far far better. If there is anyone left to play next year , they will be far better coached than the last 6 years.