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Belle, nowhere did I say the only reason blacks excel in sports is because of the selective pairing done by the old slave owners. But it was common for the strongest, and most productive fieldhand to be paired with multiple women to produce as many of his children as possible.
As offensive as that sounds, it's a sorry fact.
Many things go into whether someone will excel in athletics. Their genetic makeup, handed down from ancestors is one factor.

My point, however poorly stated, is that it is ridiculous to say successful black athletes owe the descendants of slave owners anything. But I think it's equally ridiculous for descendants of slaves to expect compensation for offenses well over 100 years old.

The guilt-laden, handwringing apologies are an extension of that faulty thinking in my opinion.

Tidewater, this isn't the first time we've been in agreement. You better watch out, no telling what's next.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BamaJay123:
Well we know we have found one racist.
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Dumb Statement #2.

Stating facts isn't racism. The black community, as a whole, has far more negatives to worry about than trying to milk money and apologies out of white folks.
 
Dumb statement #3.
Stating facts isn't racism. The black community, as a whole, has far more negatives to worry about than trying to milk money and apologies out of white folks.

How do you know whats good for the black community are you black? As far as facts go prove it with links. Whats the % of white and black out of wedlock babies, who produces the most crime, who buys the most "offensive" music..etc......

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TiderinVA:
Next we need to press the Italian government for an apology for feeding Christians to the lions during the Roman Empire.

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While we're on the subject of how un-PC political correctness is, CBS needs to apologize for cancelling "Star Trek"... and offending the aliens...
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bamanut_aj:

Dumb Statement #1.

What is this "healing" that's needing to begin?</font>
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I dont belittle your way of thinking, so dont belittle mine...

I think it will help in race relations at the University, the black students were very pleased that UA did this. Excuse me for having a thought that you dont agree with. By UA going ahead and doing it without fuss, it also helps the University's image, which has been through a few blunders lately...

The institution apologized, not any one individual, and they did use slave labor. I think it will help. They didnt ask for money or anything, UA just decided to apologize.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chukker Veteran:
Belle, nowhere did I say the only reason blacks excel in sports is because of the selective pairing done by the old slave owners. [

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Oh Okay. My apologies.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BamaJay123:
Well we know we have found one racist.
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Can you justify your statement or do you just like to cheapen the label through profligate usage?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fosterkeats:
While we're on the subject of how un-PC political correctness is, CBS needs to apologize for cancelling "Star Trek"... and offending the aliens...

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LOL!!! I KNEW IT!

foster is a trekkie!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BamaJay123:

Dumb statement #3.
Stating facts isn't racism. The black community, as a whole, has far more negatives to worry about than trying to milk money and apologies out of white folks.

How do you know whats good for the black community are you black? As far as facts go prove it with links. Whats the % of white and black out of wedlock babies, who produces the most crime, who buys the most "offensive" music..etc......

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Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. Of newly infected men, approximately 50 percent are black, 30 percent are white, 20 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups

Here's the link http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm

Of new infections among women in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 75 percent of women were infected through heterosexual sex and 25 percent through injection drug use. Of newly infected women, approximately 64 percent are black, 18 percent are white, 18 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups.(4)

Found in the same link http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm

Of the estimated 16,371 AIDS-related deaths in the United States in 2002, approximately 52 percent were among blacks, 28 percent among whites, 19 percent among Hispanics, and less than 1 percent among Asians/Pacific Islanders and American Indians/Alaska Natives.

Again, found in the same link http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm

As of December 31, 2002, an estimated 501,669 people with AIDS in the United States had died.
 
My problem with the statement that the current black students at the Capstone now feel better about the University as a result of this apology comes in two flavors:

1st - Why did they enroll at Alabama if they felt it was a racist school - and if they did not feel that it was a racist school, what does this apology signify?

2nd - What will now change as a result of the apology? Will the students act differently? Will the University act differently? Will anything change? Should anything change?

Sorry, I don't apologize for my parents mistakes (and they would not want me to presume to do so), much less the mistakes of my great, great grandparents. To do so is to presume far too much...
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NYBamaFan:
My problem with the statement that the current black students at the Capstone now feel better about the University as a result of this apology comes in two flavors:

1st - Why did they enroll at Alabama if they felt it was a racist school - and if they did not feel that it was a racist school, what does this apology signify?

2nd - What will now change as a result of the apology? Will the students act differently? Will the University act differently? Will anything change? Should anything change?

Sorry, I don't apologize for my parents mistakes (and they would not want me to presume to do so), much less the mistakes of my great, great grandparents. To do so is to presume far too much...</font>
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NY, Where did they said it was a racist school? People just found out about the Slaves buried back there recently, and the use of the slave labor, and UA decided to apologize for it. The school did have blunders in the past , ala George Wallace, but Maybe despite that the black students grew up wanting to go to Alabama the same way anyone else did...I dont think UA the INSTITUTION is in anyway racist, but some of its past facualty and Govenors made mistakes in the past, and this is something that can help rectify it. And it signifies that UA and ineffect the South is moving on from the Attitudes of the past. Its symbolic.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama's Belle:
The school did have blunders in the past , ala George Wallace, but Maybe despite that the black students grew up wanting to go to Alabama the same way anyone else did...I dont think UA the INSTITUTION is in anyway racist, but some of its past facualty and Govenors made mistakes in the past, and this is something that can help rectify it. And it signifies that UA and ineffect the South is moving on from the Attitudes of the past. Its symbolic.

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First of all, what did the University have to do with the symbolic stand in the door by ex-Governor George Wallace? That was an act by the Governor. I don't know if the university requested his presence to attempt to deny admittance to the two students, but they were admitted by the university. Unless you have some proof of the school's complicity in that act, I don't see how you can classify that action as a "blunder" on the part of the school.

The south is NEVER going to move on past the injustices of the past as long as people such as yourself continually try to force guilt upon the generations of this day and age for the actions of their ancestors... actions for which they had NO opportunities to show complicity NOR contrariness. I'll accept no guilt for an action in which I had no part. I'll also not take part in an apology for an action for which I have no responsibility. I also don't have the authority to issue an apology on behalf of people that are deceased and neither does the University.

In the same vein, not one black person alive has the authority to accept an apology on behalf of their ancestors for injustices that they didn't experience themselves. To do such is the height of hubris and shamelessness.

Does an apology from an inculpable party to an undeserving party make things right? Does it have any substance?

No, it doesn't. The apology is hollow because it comes from a third party. Since when is justice served by a third party being punished for the actions of others? Is that your idea of justice?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BamaJay123:
I find it very funny how the people that think this is bad give the old "well it was a long time ago" phrase. The univesity uses the buildings that the slaves built. Whats and appolgy gonna hurt anyway. </font>
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Because it will be used to support a claim for monetary damages.
It is a prinicple of civil law that every wrong has a remedy. This apology will be cited later against the University.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IH8Orange:


The south is NEVER going to move on past the injustices of the past as long as people such as yourself continually try to force guilt upon the generations of this day and age for the actions of their ancestors... actions for which they had NO opportunities to show complicity NOR contrariness. I'll accept no guilt for an action in which I had no part. I'll also not take part in an apology for an action for which I have no responsibility. I also don't have the authority to issue an apology on behalf of people that are deceased and neither does the University.


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You'll never get some people to understand that. Kids now, (kids? damn I'm only 31) have had it forced in their heads that their mamas and daddys, grandparents, etc. were all racists and slave owners and they should feel bad for that. I'm not sure why many libs today think that there's still this gigantic rift between the races. Socially or economically yes; but a hollow apology won't change that. That's up to each individual to change that (oh wait, that's what gov't handouts are for) If there is this rift, it's because some people just keep bringing it up. If this apology was never issued, would there have been any negative repercussions? I don't think so. Now that it has been issued, could there potentially be negative repercussions? You bet.

Belle, please accept my apology for being ugly earlier. But I really want to hear what you perceive to be all of these injustices, and what healing do you think needs to be done? Seriously.
 
bamanut - I had to deprogram my second grader because of some crap that his teacher said about the War of Northern Aggression.

I'm not going to let him be guilted into something he had nothing to do with.
 
If the University felt it had to make a statement, I'd rather they termed it a statement of regret over what had happened rather than an apology.
You can express regret that something happened without that statement implying that there is fault by the one making the statement.


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