ULM review: An Alabama awakening, good and bad

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ULM review: An Alabama awakening, good and bad
By Jess Nicholas

Saturday’s romp over Louisiana-Monroe brought to light issues across the spectrum – not just the good and the bad, but some questions that didn’t previously exist.

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TerryP

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Truly, a strange stat of the night was 222 yards in the 1st half, 222 in the second. I can't say I've ever seen, or heard, of that before.
 

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ULM review: An Alabama awakening, good and bad
By Jess Nicholas

Saturday’s romp over Louisiana-Monroe brought to light issues across the spectrum – not just the good and the bad, but some questions that didn’t previously exist.

Good review, Jess. As always you nailed it. Surely next week's game will remove some of our concerns. Or make us more concerned. I am concerned about what to be concerned about.
Still don't know if we are any good. We have had two close games against weak teams and blew out a team we should not have been playing.
Arkansas will be a tough and worthy opponent.
 

NYBamaFan

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I feel worse, not better, after yesterday's game. I have had concerns confirmed (middle defense) and now am concerned about Shula's weak disciplinary approach. I guess we will just have to wait to see how it all plays out...
 

It is what it is

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Your concerns about all the talk being on the discipline rather than the result of the game Saturday could have begun with you talking about the results of the game Saturday rather than the discipline of the team.

It is not like Shula is in the same position as Mack Brown with a title under his belt to help weigh options on how many to sit out each game. Bama fans are ruthless when it comes to the W/L record and nothing more. As long as he is winning, and I believe that he handles discipline fair and strict, no one on this board will care.

In that...Great Game and Roll Tide!
 

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Middle defense looked a lot worse due to our most experienced LB being suspended. This is the year where the sanctions hit the hardest due all the seniors we lost, and its not like Shula has the luxury of an deep, experienced defense this year. If he had suspended all 7 players for the Hawaii game and we lost, it would be a **** madhouse around here more than it is now. Lucky for us, Shula has the brass to do what is best for whole team, despite taking heat for it. Insiders have said time and time again that JS was well punished for his actions, and I trust CMS to handle it his way.
 

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ULM review: An Alabama awakening, good and bad
By Jess Nicholas

Saturday’s romp over Louisiana-Monroe brought to light issues across the spectrum – not just the good and the bad, but some questions that didn’t previously exist.

For the full article, Click Here
Jess:

I enjoyed your writing once again, OTHER THAN the focus on the suspension issues. I think it's time we ALL forget about this stuff. Don't bring it up on call in shows, don't bring it up on this or other boards, don't write in to newspapers...whether we agree or disagree...let's resolve as BAMANATION to CEASE and DESIST. You know, we hire a coach to do a job---i.e., run a football team. Let's let CMS do that and we can talk about football--nothing more...
 

bamar

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jess, i am sorry that you chose to address the discipline issue. you are correct with your concerns about the offense and defense, but, i get the feel you are unhappy with the way cms chooses to discipline his players. well, i for one would be a lot unhappier if he chose to pick a game to sit all the guys. of course we dont know other than simpson when the violations occurred. maybe, you want him to pick the tenn, auburn or LSU game to make some point about him being so much better, stronger than other coaches. well in the real world of football, i have never seen a coach at any level, not choose to discipline their players against the patsies on their schedule. especially, beginning the early part of their season. the preseason. now if these problems occurred before the meat of the schedule, any coach is obilated in my opinion, to punish before the next game. i think cms has done exactly what is correct in this matter.
 

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i think cms has done exactly what is correct in this matter.
Here is the problem with your analysis - Shula's approach doesn't correct the behavior. Seven players broke school/program rules seriously enough to warrant at least a one game suspension. The specific rules that were broken is not as much the issue as the fact that seven different players were not concerned enough about the consequences to avoid the behavior to begin with. That is too many people, folks.

Why so many? Could it be because Shula handles issues like this? Is his soft approach going to help keep these or other players in line next time? I doubt it.

I would much rather have taken a loss and chastised these players in front of the team for having let them all down than this. You can bet that it would make everyone take note.

When we are more afraid of losing a game than doing what is right, we are in trouble. Maybe the fan pressure pushed him into making this poor decision, but it is no excuse...
 
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It is what it is

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Here is the problem with your analysis - Shula's approach doesn't correct the behavior. Seven players broke school/program rules seriously enough to warrant at least a one game suspension. The specific rules that were broken is not as much the issue as the fact that seven different players were not concerned enough about the consequences to avoid the behavior to begin with. That is too many people, folks.

Why so many? Could it be because Shula handles issues like this? Is his soft approach going to help keep these or other players in line next time? I doubt it.
Do you think he was not strict enough in kicking Chris Keys off the team. As much as some of you feel you should know everything about anything that happens with these kids, I, for one, am happy that Shula chooses to handle this in house. The biggest problem that most media and those that think they have the "Inside-Know" is that they really don't. If you have watched our safety play so far this year, you would realize how bad we could actually have used Chris Keys in this position.

Shula has and will continue to dish out discipline as HE deems appropriate. Unfortunately, too somes displeasure, he will NOT consult us here on Tidefans.
 

Crimson Speed

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Alabama, just like most other teams, will have issues with a few players from time to time. We should all accept it for what it is, because these are young men learning about life. They are going to make mistakes.
Mike Shula has a huge load on his shoulders right now. I believe we need to give him an opportunity to do things his way. He did not let these guys off the hook. The one game suspension, in all likelyhood, was only part of the corrective action. I admire him for keeping the details inside the confines of the team. Making everything public only hurts the team and the opportunity to mold these young men.
Remember, these offenses are not criminal acts. If that was the case, it would be a matter of public record. Finally, please don't make this something that it is not. Look around at other programs like Tennessee and Miami, even Florida State could be included. Our guys are not committing rape, armed robbery, stealing cars, or stealing clothes.
I believe good character is important to CMS. His recruiting decisions send a clear message that there is no interest in signing "thugs" to play for us.
I think we need to back off of this issue and let him handle the discipline in his own way. If it doesn't work, we will know soon enough. Even then, I have confidence that he will unleash the wrath if and when it is warrantied.
Finebaum will attempt to turn this topic into a Bama crisis. Talk is cheap. He will do anything to stir the pot.
Anybody can find fault, but the crowd gets thin when taking the responsibility for solving them.
 

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Folks, if you don't have a clue what rules were broken how can you possibly judge the punishment? It is quite obvious Coach Shula has responded to some behavior with severe action. A player having to sit for a game could possibly not be sitting because he was accused of rape or beating a policeman half to death. Get a grip.
 

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Yet again a flawed analysis and many flawed comments by people who should have a clue.

First of all, yes, Bama gave up a drive of 83 yards, however, what you guys obviously failed to see is that we were in a PASS defense almost the entire night. Our linebackers played quite well and we held a team that averaged almost 400 yards a game last year to under 200 and 7 points.

Most people "in-the-know" understand that with teams such as Hawaii, Vandy & UL Monroe, you give up yards to prevent points! For some reason we seem to have a lot of people who simply DON'T GET IT THIS YEAR! Let's see how we perform against Arkansas and Florida defensively prior to getting your panties in a wad! We have yet to play a team that runs a standard offense or even an offense that we'll see again this year.

Also, for some strange reason our learned board members have completely forgotten that Football isn't about yards gained or defensive stats, but about wins and losses. Just in case you haven't read the newspaper or watched the game, statistically LSU beat Auburn like a drum and yet LOST THE GAME! Which would you guys prefer to have an 0 - 3 record where we look great offensively in every game and defensively in every game or a 3 - 0 record where we've gotten better each game and have worked on our shortcomings toward the meat of our schedule?

Nevermind, don't bother answering that question, we've got to many armchair quarterbacks on this board who would rather tear a team apart that is 3 - 0 than applaud the same 3 - 0 team for doing what they've done, which is win every game they've played. Oh, and just in case you're still condemning Mike Shula you might want to remind yourselves that we are now running a 4 game win streak against teams that were supposed to lose to us (maybe not Texas Tech) but would likely tear our defense apart and yet we've held them all to crap in points and for the second straight week haven't given up a point in the second half and have completely DOMINATED the fourth quarter last week and this week.
 

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I agree with the football analysis, as usual...right on. I do not agree, as others on this thread have suggested, about constantly griping about CMS's discipline approach. Perhaps it would not be such a big deal if we just left it to the coach and team.
 

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Hey, let's be honest with ourselves. We don't have a problem with how CMS has handled these suspensions b/c 1) He's our coach, and 2) we fans really don't care about discipline, character, or academics. Really, if we are honest with ourselves, if our team (Bama) is winning, then we will justify the actions of our players and coaches, even if those actions are not on the up & up. Now, this is not a rant about CMS and how he handles his program. My point is that as fans, we only really care about wins and losses. If another coach had handled suspensions the same way, people on this board would have been all over it, ripping the coach and his program. If we fans should ignore how CMS handled these suspensions, then we should also ignore how other coaches run their own programs. We shouldn't be hypocrits!
 

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Folks, if you don't have a clue what rules were broken how can you possibly judge the punishment? It is quite obvious Coach Shula has responded to some behavior with severe action. A player having to sit for a game could possibly not be sitting because he was accused of rape or beating a policeman half to death. Get a grip.
The only answer that I can give is that 7 players weren't worried enough about punishment to avoid it, and they probably aren't any more worried about it now.

I don't want or need to know what Shula is doing to discipline FB players. I am not going to waste any more time on this incident. But I am less sure that Shula knows how to manage his players' behavior. At some point, that could cost him/us dearly - or I could be wrong...
 

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I'm going to address multiple responses with one post since the discipline issue is causing such a stir:

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Shula Dyn-A-sty, you wrote this: "Your concerns about all the talk being on the discipline rather than the result of the game Saturday could have begun with you talking about the results of the game Saturday rather than the discipline of the team."

The first eight paragraphs were about the game. Discipline didn't get mentioned until graph nine.

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Alanbama27, you've never read any story I've written here that you didn't consider "flawed." I've just come to expect that. If I'm letting you down so badly there are other sites that offer their own take on the game and maybe you'll find one that's more to your liking. Analysis in college football is largely about something very basic, tracking trends. A team that demonstrates a problem in a specific area (in the Alabama defense's case, it's breakdowns in the linebacker corps and safeties in certain situations) in three games isn't likely to suddenly snap out of it when the meat of the schedule arrives. Right now, their primary failing is they aren't DeMeco Ryans, Roman Harper, Charlie Peprah, etc. That's not their fault, but whether it's their fault or not is irrelevant; it's a concern. And I'm not doing anyone a service by not saying anything about it, especially when I'm right.

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Now, to put a cap on the discipline issue: The two most Alabama-friendly writers in state media right now are probably me and Cecil Hurt. I read Cecil's game take this morning after I filed my own and guess what, Cecil's not happy about the discipline, either. I'd describe myself as a die-hard fan and Cecil the same, and when the reaction coming from the home folks is what it's been, you ought to know what you're going to get from the people who live to take potshots at the school.

I knew my take on the discipline issue wasn't going to be popular with a lot of people, but what made me speak up more than anything is that as a fan base, Alabama fans have become very hesitant to remove the plank from their own eye before they want to rip the sliver out of someone else's. We give Phil Fulmer a lot of grief -- and rightly so; Tennessee's transgressions in recent years dwarf the breadth and depth of anything that's happened at Alabama -- but tend to want to sweep away our own issues at the same time.

Tommy Tuberville at AU, who in the past has been very convenient in the way he's handled off-field issues, held LBs Trey Blackmon and Kevin Sears out of the first three games, including LSU. No, we don't know what they did, exactly. But he made his decision without regard to "what's fair to the rest of the team" and instead focused on the rule being broken. And I can't believe I just had to write that about an Auburn coach, given that school's track record.

Shula, in his post-game radio address, said he'd staggered the suspensions "in the order in which they occurred." Since Simpson's issue occurred back in the summer and not this week, the transgressions of all seven players occurred prior to the first game of the year -- so they all should have been suspended for game one. You don't suspend a guy at week three unless the transgression occurred between games two and three, period.

It was a mistake by Shula. I'm not going to continue to harp on it for the rest of the year as other media types are sure to do, unless the overall team discipline goes to hell in a handbasket from here out. But as I've said many times in the past, I'm not going to pump sunshine just because it would make people feel better.

Now, it's Arkansas week.
 

Alanbama27

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Jess, first you're wrong and second you're being a bit thin skinned on this one. I think you should go back and check your stories from last year. I don't think I disagreed with you once. Sure, I may have added something but this is just a blatant case of you piling on!

Let's look at this year so far. Hawaii, while not a team in Bama's league was extremely dangerous nonetheless and while Bama gave up yards, we didn't give up points...from someone who gives breakdowns each week of gameplans, I'm surprised you of all don't understand the reasons a team will run a 3-3-5...otherwise known as a PREVENT DEFENSE. It's called trading yards for points.

Now, am I saying that our defense didn't make mistakes yesterday or in each game? Not a chance! However, I'm also not acting as though there are MAJOR issues, which you seem to believe. From someone who is supposed to be knowledgeable about football, you're becoming a bit overly dramatic this year.

As for the other sites, I actually don't visit them and don't plan to. If you haven't noticed, I haven't been posting here much either. I'm pretty tired of armchair quarterbacks lousy analysis (not yours, I'm speaking in generalities) and over-reacting to the teams play. And before you say it, no, I'm not suggesting by any stretch of the imagination that you can't be critical of our play. For instance, we have been bad inside the redzone and much of it was play calling in my opinion. Against Vandy, it happened to be good play calling and poor execusion.

Nevertheless, I simply believe that you're review this week was poorly thought out. Am I not entitled to my opinion without it being suggested that I visit other boards?
 
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...I'm surprised you of all don't understand the reasons a team will run a 3-3-5...otherwise known as a PREVENT DEFENSE. It's called trading yards for points.
Just a point of information: there's nothing about a 3-3-5 that necessarily makes it a prevent. It's all about what you do with the 11 players on the field, more than what their listed position is.
 

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