What's Really Driving The Anti-Police Movement?

[ValuJet]

Can we expect there's sincere concern over police treatment of minorities, using the isolated events of the past few months, when nearly 250 black people (to date) have been killed in Chicago in 2014 by other black people?

Now we're hearing some of these so called "leaders" claiming that "black lives matter" as much as white lives. Of course they do. But the people making these claims aren't living up to the rhetoric. Where are the marches and protests in Chicago?

It's a tough issue, full of personal responsibility, urban decay, joblessness, hope and despair.

The Democrats took a beating in the November elections. By the president's own admission his policies were on the ballot. And voters overwhelmingly rejected, whether or not they (Democrats) want to read it that way.

So the national discussion is no longer about the Affordable Care Act lies and Jonathan Gruber, the IRS scandals, overreach of executive mandates in rewriting existing laws, release of al Qaeda prisoners from Guantanamo Bay, etc. Is the anti-police movement due to a few isolated incidents a diversion to get the dialogue and the 24 hour news cycles off the president's failures and embarrassments?

There seems to be three key figures at the center of this movement: President Obama, AG Eric Holder, and Al Sharpton. Are Holder and Sharpton doing the president's dirty work? President Obama tries to maintain a semblance of balance and order, but many see his words as divisive and "fuel on the fire" to situations like Ferguson. And, of course there are the willing accomplices (some use the term "useful idiots") like Mayor Bill de Blasio, the Congressional Black Caucus, Gov. Jay Nixon and the mainstream media.

It's hard not to think about the Chicago murders and these isolated incidents, keeping it in perspective, in terms of the value of a human life. So what is it all about, honestly?

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Can we expect there's sincere concern over police treatment of minorities, using the isolated events of the past few months, when nearly 250 black people (to date) have been killed in Chicago in 2014 by other black people?

Now we're hearing some of these so called "leaders" claiming that "black lives matter" as much as white lives. Of course they do. But the people making these claims aren't living up to the rhetoric. Where are the marches and protests in Chicago?

It's a tough issue, full of personal responsibility, urban decay, joblessness, hope and despair.

The Democrats took a beating in the November elections. By the president's own admission his policies were on the ballot. And voters overwhelmingly rejected, whether or not they (Democrats) want to read it that way.

So the national discussion is no longer about the Affordable Care Act lies and Jonathan Gruber, the IRS scandals, overreach of executive mandates in rewriting existing laws, release of al Qaeda prisoners from Guantanamo Bay, etc. Is the anti-police movement due to a few isolated incidents a diversion to get the dialogue and the 24 hour news cycles off the president's failures and embarrassments?

There seems to be three key figures at the center of this movement: President Obama, AG Eric Holder, and Al Sharpton. Are Holder and Sharpton doing the president's dirty work? President Obama tries to maintain a semblance of balance and order, but many see his words as divisive and "fuel on the fire" to situations like Ferguson. And, of course there are the willing accomplices (some use the term "useful idiots") like Mayor Bill de Blasio, the Congressional Black Caucus, Gov. Jay Nixon and the mainstream media.

It's hard not to think about the Chicago murders and these isolated incidents, keeping it in perspective, in terms of the value of a human life. So what is it all about, honestly?

I can't post my true thoughts here, but I don't think Obama is the puppet master we all give him credit for. There are the powers that be that are in complete control of these situations and intentionally driving these conflicts for their future gains and our losses.

 

[TideEngineer08]

More white people are killed by police every year than black people and cops are killed in the line of duty just about every day but there are no marches, no riots, and nobody from the Justice Department gives a damn.

This is a political agenda being driven by the President and his cronies in an effort to further divide this country, create chaotic situations that then must be dealt with by the federal government, and ultimately annex more power for themselves.

But at least we'll still have Dancing with the Stars and Monday Night Football.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

This is a political agenda being driven by the President and his cronies in an effort to further divide this country, create chaotic situations that then must be dealt with by the federal government, and ultimately annex more power for themselves.

It's not being driven by the President. That much I can assure you. He's just as much as a puppet as we are, just on a larger stage.

 

[seebell]

It's not being driven by the President. That much I can assure you. He's just as much as a puppet as we are, just on a larger stage.

I think DBF is driving the movement!! He has made 3 gazillion posts about police brutality. Is he one of the Puppet Masters? Fess up DBF

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I think DBF is driving the movement!! He has made 3 gazillion posts about police brutality. Is he one of the Puppet Masters? Fess up DBF

My name is really George Soros. You've found me out. NYBF is really Michael Bloomberg and we have not only conspired to take over the world, but also Tidefans. Welcome to my world minions!

 

[crimson fan man]

What I have seen from the riots it seems like the reason for them is to be able to steal without worrying about the repercussions.

 

[pyro]

I am a far right winged, nearly anachist. So hateing government comes natural for me.

I believe there is to much power in the police force and government, to many laws and I pretty much disagree with everyone of them.

 

[CajunCrimson]

It's just the occupy wall streeters bored and unemployed using these tragic events to take advantage of the situation....

 

[CoachJeff]

Like most movements you can pigeon hole it.

I'm not a fan of the police myself but it has nothing to do with racial politics or wanting to steal things.

 

[pyro]

I forgot, the failed war on drugs is a big one for me. I want marijuana.

 

[NationalTitles18]

This is pretty interesting: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/605104...led-police-statistics-homicide-official-black

 

[Bama Reb]

This is pretty interesting: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/605104...led-police-statistics-homicide-official-black

This report goes around (and around and around...) the core problem but never hits directly on it.

while it tells us just a little about how many people are killed by police, it tells us more about who those people are, and what police say about why they were killed. Furthermore, it hints at a theme that's woven through the events of the last two weeks in Ferguson, Missouri: that the experience of dealing with police in America is different for whites and nonwhites.
.......The men killed by police in "justifiable homicides" in 2012 were relatively young, with a median age of 32. But the age breakdown of victims varies by race:
....Younger victims of justifiable homicide are much more diverse than their older peers. Well into middle age, there are some white victims, but very few nonwhite ones past the age of 35 or so (and black deaths peak at age 20).

The problem core is simple:

The one group that commits the greatest proportion of crimes is the same group that is most often killed by police.

The solution is equally as simple. Quit committing the crimes and you won't have to worry about being killed by the police.

 

[Catfish]

My name is really George Soros. You've found me out. NYBF is really Michael Bloomberg and we have not only conspired to take over the world, but also Tidefans. Welcome to my world minions!

I, for one, welcome our new Displaced overlord.

 

[Catfish]

I forgot, the failed war on drugs is a big one for me. I want marijuana and to be able to eat my boogers. Not all the time, but on a few occasions.

FIFY :biggrin2:

 

[Tide1986]

I probably should have posted this in one of the "white cop shoots unarmed black person" threads, but I thought it gave another spin on the "anti police" theme.

Here's a view on how the Obama administration may be taking an anti local police stance in order to increase central control over a State's policing powers:

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-against-police-departments-andrew-c/page/0/1

Here is how the game works. Holder streams in behind a tragedy that Sharpton and Obama have demagogued. He announces a civil-rights investigation. Eventually, he backs down from the threat of an indictment in the individual case, never conceding that the supporting evidence was not there, usually citing some strawman injustice that has nothing to do with the matter at hand — in Florida, for example, it was “stand your ground” gun laws that purportedly needed reforming. But, the attorney general is pleased to add, the original civil-rights probe of the non-crime has metastasized into a thoroughgoing civil-rights probe of the state or local police department’s training, practices, and . . . drumroll . . . institutional racism.

You never get to see what that investigation turns up. States and their subdivisions know they cannot afford to go toe-to-toe with the Beltway behemoth. Big cities, moreover, are governed by Democrats sympathetic to the Obama/Holder race obsessions — they’re happy to have the feds come in and hamstring police with “social justice” guidelines that would be a hard sell politically. So the Justice Department makes the locals an offer they can’t refuse: A consent decree that makes the Treaty of Versailles look like a slap on the wrist. This device is the license by which the Obama administration is remaking state law enforcement in its own image.

Seattle is another of the big cities that has been snagged by the DOJ. It has been under a consent decree since the Justice Department targeted it in 2012 for a “pattern or practice” of violations, allegedly including “subjecting individuals to excessive force” — in particular, “using excessive force against persons of color,” and “escalating situations and using excessive force when arresting individuals for minor offenses.”

Meanwhile, Seattle has been making announcements, too. It seems crime in the Emerald City has been skyrocketing since the Justice Department came in to, er, help. Homicides up 21 percent, car theft up 44 percent, aggravated assaults up 14 percent, and so on.

Welcome to Change: produced and directed by the Obama Justice Department and coming soon to a town near you.

 

[Gr8hope]

The facts do not support this is a racial thing. It is being taunted as such by evil politicians and race hustlers to further their agendas and reward their greed.

 

[crimsonaudio]

"What's Really Driving The Anti-Police Movement?"

IMO,much of it comes from the accessibility of video cameras we have today. There's zero question in my mind that much of the knee-jerk reactions blaming officers when things go bad are due to the number of videos / images / stories we can easily find now that show abuse of power by the police. It's come to the point that otherwise law-abiding citizens who should have nothing whatsoever to fear about the police aren't sure what will happen if we're pulled over for speeding, for example.

If there wasn't such an unbelievable pile of examples of police protecting each other despite illegal / abusive actions things might be different, but five minutes searching will find tons of stories of police brutality or unnecessary force where no charges are filed, the cop is allowed to retire with full benefits, etc.

IOW, while there might be a some people capitalizing on this to further drive a wedge between the races, the reality is, at least IMO, the police are often out of control and no one has the balls to stop it.

 

[Catfish]

"What's Really Driving The Anti-Police Movement?"

IMO,much of it comes from the accessibility of video cameras we have today. There's zero question in my mind that much of the knee-jerk reactions blaming officers when things go bad are due to the number of videos / images / stories we can easily find now that show abuse of power by the police. It's come to the point that otherwise law-abiding citizens who should have nothing whatsoever to fear about the police aren't sure what will happen if we're pulled over for speeding, for example.

If there wasn't such an unbelievable pile of examples of police protecting each other despite illegal / abusive actions things might be different, but five minutes searching will find tons of stories of police brutality or unnecessary force where no charges are filed, the cop is allowed to retire with full benefits, etc.

IOW, while there might be a some people capitalizing on this to further drive a wedge between the races, the reality is, at least IMO, the police are often out of control and no one has the balls to stop it.

^^^100% this.^^^

 

[hollisx4]

"What's Really Driving The Anti-Police Movement?"

IMO,much of it comes from the accessibility of video cameras we have today. There's zero question in my mind that much of the knee-jerk reactions blaming officers when things go bad are due to the number of videos / images / stories we can easily find now that show abuse of power by the police. It's come to the point that otherwise law-abiding citizens who should have nothing whatsoever to fear about the police aren't sure what will happen if we're pulled over for speeding, for example.

If there wasn't such an unbelievable pile of examples of police protecting each other despite illegal / abusive actions things might be different, but five minutes searching will find tons of stories of police brutality or unnecessary force where no charges are filed, the cop is allowed to retire with full benefits, etc.

IOW, while there might be a some people capitalizing on this to further drive a wedge between the races, the reality is, at least IMO, the police are often out of control and no one has the balls to stop it.

Preach it brother!