Would an NCAA playoff system lead to starters being rested in the season?

UAME

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I can't turn on sports talk these days without hearing NFL discussions about whether the Colts or the Saints should play their last few games with all their starters (and make their best effort to finish the regular season undefeated), or if it is acceptable for them to rest their star players who are fatigued or who have nagging injuries.

That led me to think of the possible implications of a college playoff system, and whether this type of scenario could ever trickle down into the ranks of the NCAA. I'm pretty certain this does go on at the Division II level (a team like UNA who clinches a playoff spot sometimes loses a meaningless regular season closer with no real damage done.) I don't think that Bama would ever rest anyone needlessly against Auburn, but what if an 8 or 16 team playoff system were implemented that basically guaranteed the SEC West and East Division champs would be included? In our case this year, we could have rested some players against MSU and UTC. How would you feel about this, if say, Bama still made the playoffs but yet dropped a game to someone like ULM late in the year while resting our best players?

With all the talk of Bye weeks today, it is a valid point. I think we all liked it when we had a bye week at the end of the season prior to playing the SECCG. We'll have more than a month of rest before playing in the BCSCG. But, if we were entering a 16 team playoff after the SECCG, that would have meant 3 additional rounds during December, leading up to a championship game in January. Giving the starters a rest going down the closing stretch (after clinching a spot) might make a big difference in post season play.

I've previously considered myself to be a proponent of a big (16+ team) playoff in Div 1. After thinking about this today, though, I think it would be best just to have something like a Final 4, or possibly a Top 3 with a play-in game for teams 4 & 5. That would still settle the issue on the field with the Top 5 teams, but yet not take away so much meaning from the regular season that a team could afford to lose some throw-away games late in the year.
 

bamaslaw

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6 team playoff IMO. In most seasons (yes, this one is a bit of an aberration) that would cover your undefeated and one-loss teams. I feel like if you're a two loss team, you need to have special circumstances (IE: lost to two top 10 teams or they were both extremely close games) to have a shot at the title.
 

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No way would it rest starters.

And I think 6 is the ideal number as well. 1 & 2 get a bye week. Use the Rose, Sugar, Orange & Fiesta along with the Cotton (in the 100,000 seat Cowboys Stadium) as your 5 venues, rotating each one.

First game the week prior to New Year's (same as when you have the mid-tier bowls), 2nd round on Saturday closest to New Year's, Championship on the Saturday after that.

This year, it would look like this:

Saturday 12/26
3pm - #3 Cincinnati vs #6 Boise State - Cotton Bowl, Dallas, TX
8pm - #4 Florida vs #5 TCU - Orange Bowl, Miami, FL

Saturday 1/2
3pm - #2 Texas vs. Highest Ranked Winner, Fiesta Bowl, Glendale, AZ
8pm - #1 Alabama vs Lowest Ranked Winner, Sugar Bowl, New Orleans, LA

Saturday 1/9
8pm - Winners, Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA

Tell me that wouldn't be huge. And then, tell me we wouldn't have done EVERYTHING we did this year... the Championship Games are just as big because a bye week is a HUGE advantage.

There would NEVER be a starter rested, a play taken off or a game "phoned in" with this model. There's only ONE team in this mix with even a single loss and that's Florida.

From what I can find in the history of the BCS there never would have been a team with more than 2 losses in the 6-team field.
 
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KrAzY3

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It all comes down to when and how the seeding was done. I've said all along I'm not in favor of changing to a playoff system and this is one concern, however there are plenty of scenarios in which this wouldn't occur in a playoff. However, I can imagine a team actually playing worse intentionally just to adjust their seeding (I've seen it happen before in sports). Say you are set to play a lower seeded USC and if you moved a spot down you play a higher seeded Boise State instead. You want to move down a rank or two don't you?

This also goes to the biggest part of my playoff argument. A team like a Boise State, which has played a 98th worth schedule has been able to rest their starters at numerous points during the season. A team like Alabama (12th most difficult schedule) has not been able to do this. Remember, unlike the pros a college team can't just sign more players if they suffer injuries. There is a built in advantage for teams that make it into a playoff with a soft schedule, not to mention simply making it easier for them to get in, in the first place.
 

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I think it would depend on the opponent, like it does now. Could you imagine an 11-0 Bama team resting starters against Auburn??? Or an 11-0 Florida team resting players vs. FSU???

Bama rested players against Chattanooga and there wasn't even a playoff this year.
 

glasscutter256

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How would a playoff affect the SECCG I wonder?
Great questions. I think it would affect regular season effort. It is hard enough for these men to play with just one off week per season. To add a couple more "competitive" games, it would wear down on them physically and mentally. Therefore making them more prone to injury. So I think coaches would be inclined to resting starters should there be a playoff.

Plus, playoffs could make it possible to play one team 3 times in one year. For example, UF. regular season, SECCG, BCSCG. I'm not for that.
 

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I've said it before, but a playoff, other than one that, in some fashion, rested "on top" of the present arrangement, would be owned, lock, stock and barrel, by the NCAA, just as they rule over March Madness now. That obviously needs a second thought...
 

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I've said it before, but a playoff, other than one that, in some fashion, rested "on top" of the present arrangement, would be owned, lock, stock and barrel, by the NCAA, just as they rule over March Madness now. That obviously needs a second thought...
Agree 100% You also have to think of the expense and inconvenience to fans and students travelling to watch the games . Depending on how the season shook out, it could be the week before the first round before you knew where you would be going, and after that only the home field teams would know where they are playing. I like knowing where the games are, and I like the huge games. In a playoff system the SECCG would never ever be as big as it was the last 2 years. If you lose, all you would is home field advantage.it would lessen the importance of all the great games we have week in week, out. There are tons of people who only watch playoff football, basketball, and baseball because the regular season is largely meaningless. I hope it never happens.
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Dallas4Bama

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If the NCAA moves to a playoff system BAMA should immediately leave the SEC and join some pansy conference. There would be no point in beating ourselves up week in and week out to get through the season in the toughest conference when you can get to the playoffs without it. That would be ridiculous. If Cincy and TCU can make it in with their schedule then we should play their schedule and be healthy and good and rested for the playoffs.
 

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If the NCAA moves to a playoff system BAMA should immediately leave the SEC and join some pansy conference. There would be no point in beating ourselves up week in and week out to get through the season in the toughest conference when you can get to the playoffs without it. That would be ridiculous. If Cincy and TCU can make it in with their schedule then we should play their schedule and be healthy and good and rested for the playoffs.
Sad but true... the way things are now the SEC teams that played in the SEC championship game would have a massive disadvantage in terms of being healthy and rested. Alabama has a few games a year they can try to rest players, a team like Boise State has those type opponents in almost every game.
 

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We already have a 114 team playoff... Every game in the regular season means something... and teams outside of the BCS automatic qualifiers need to stregthen their schedule to get serious consideration.

A plus one after the bowls could work but that is it.
 

HSV256

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I think the playoff is desperately needed, but should be intricately crafted (no more than 6 teams..no North Idaho A&T Mechanical Colleges getting in alah NCAA tourney).

I say the winners of the top 6 bowl games form the brackets, and sort by wins/points scored/SOS (gotta keep some elements of hogwash in it...this IS the NCAA we're talking about)
 

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I think the playoff is desperately needed, but should be intricately crafted (no more than 6 teams..no North Idaho A&T Mechanical Colleges getting in alah NCAA tourney).

I say the winners of the top 6 bowl games form the brackets, and sort by wins/points scored/SOS (gotta keep some elements of hogwash in it...this IS the NCAA we're talking about)

It might start that way. Then the first team that's left out cries and complains and they expand the field and then it gets expanded again and again.... They are talking about expanding the NCAA basketball tournament to 96 teams. It didn't start that way, but that's where it's headed.

Somewhere, sometime, someone is going to have to stand up and say enough is enough. Everyone doesn't get to play in the championship game. Everyone isn't a winner and everyone doesn't get a participation trophy.
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Whether a playoff is put into place really isnt up to the NCAA. I mean it is, but the schools and conferences hold power of the money that is at stake in the issue. If the NCAA tries to force a playoff, then I would be willing to bet the top 5-6 conferences say the hell with the NCAA, and have their own association that declares its own champion. These top conferences hold power over the debate, so when all these (majority, at least) conferences all push for a playoff, instead of just the little conferences (that will always be complaining), thats when we have one. So really this debate about resting teams like the NFL is pointlesss because it wont come to this...

I dont keep up with basketball too much, but I would think that most of the natl champions are from the bigger, more powerful football conferences (SEC, ACC, Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12,) ...? If thats the case, then even more reason not to force a playoff that could lead to these conferences to up and the leave the NCAA...
 

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No playoffs. Period. The present system isn't perfect. Nor was the pre-BCS situation. Nor would a playoff system be a panacea. Somewhere I saw a proposed scenario for what a 16-team playoff would look like this year. Alabama has already beaten three of the teams in the proposed playoff... LSU, VaTech, and Florida. Schools like TCU haven't played any of the teams in the proposed playoff structure. So Bama might have to play teams it's already beaten? Solid teams could play cupcake schedules and waltz into the playoff?

Goal for the season would be to get into the playoff structure. Definitely rest players. Definitely schedule more cupcakes. Drop the conference title games. In fact, the best strategy might be to go the ND route... no conference affiliation; just play a string of cupcakes and maybe one or two legitimate powers.

Playoffs are a very bad idea IMO.

Not that I have strong feelings on this topic... ;)
 

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