My point again if you think its just the o-line that is the difference in our offense from last year then you are wrong. i have watched every game more then once go back and see how many times ingram or trent have just stuck their nose in a hole and took a small game when there was a big hole to the outside. Is someone telling them to stick with the hole and the play called? or are they doing it themselves? I think the whole offensive game plan has changed from last year and its hurting us
Question: Is Mcelwain losin it?
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We do get it...our O isnt dominating the line of scrimmage,thats the problem. We are unable to do anything if Bama isnt dominating the LOS. None,absolutely no imagination on offense.
Yes. If a play is called to a certain gap and the RB doesn't run it to that gap before bouncing it somewhere else, he doesn't play for a Nick Saban coached FB team. Ask Lacey or the 1st string RB at LSU that was SECCG MVP turned 3rd stringer...
Some of the same is true for our pass rush woes. The 3 down linemen MUST stay in their rush lanes. It's ESSENTIAL in Coach Saban's scheme. Aside from the big DE from LSU that went to Dallas, much of the QB pressure in his scheme has always come from blitzes/sending LBs/overloading one side.
The chemistry of the team is off for sure. All in all the OL's had worse games than this one through this season. There's plenty of diversity in the O scheme. Would I like to see a bit more misdirection, absolutely. Other teams aren't slowing down one bit because we're fairly predictable according to formation/down & distance. That being the case it leaves Bama with one option, whip the other team at the point of attack and impose your will. This team doesn't seem to be able to do that, & frankly it's a tall order in this league, however the formula resulted in 14-0 last year!
To answer the OP, no Mc hasn't lost his touch. Other teams simply know what's coming & this offense has lost some identity this year for whatever reason. Chiefly it's been the OL not imposing it's will upon the opposition, but that's just my opinion.
Schlante & Roll Tide,
Phillip
Wow, this type of thread already after coming off of a BCSNC. A little early for this in my opinion. Should we fire Coach Saban along with Kirby Smart because the defence cant consistantly stop any offense we have played? We just lost to a top 10 team. This is a new team, they have some growing up to do.... End of story. Ousting of any coach shouldnt be considered at this point.
Playcalling wasn't particularly bad today. The play of the OL, as it has been ALL YEAR LONG, was very weak.
It seems Greg is audibling a lot more this year. I didn't notice him doing it that much last year. The play calling has been interesting this year.
Not completely. I am concerned we are trying to 'out think' the defense more than we are just doing what we do best.
Also, we've got to take some shots deep. That could be GMac more than McElwain though. I'm looking forward to McCarron in that regard.
Also, we've got to take some shots deep. That could be GMac more than McElwain though. I'm looking forward to McCarron in that regard.
I'm glad I'm not a mod because I couldn't stand some of this. I got into an argument this morning with a guy who was complaining and moaning about the offense and the coaching saying Bama had 4 plays. I simply replied, "12-2, 14-0, 7-1. Yeah those 4 plays have netted AL a 36-3 record and a national title, and a Heisman. Our coaches suck!" The guy he was sitting with was nodding the whole time and said, Yeah let's fire the coach and get a real one." Sometimes I just wonder. I think the entitlement mentality has crept in, but I have NO DOUBT that Bama has a firm foundation for continued success. ROLL TIDE!
p.s. some folks might want to look back and see where this program was a few years back. Just sayin.
p.s. some folks might want to look back and see where this program was a few years back. Just sayin.
I'm looking forward to McCarron in every regard, and I'm no GMac hater. I just don't think the offense we're trying to run this season is suited to his talents, so I'm excited to see how someone who looks to be a truer playmaker at the QB position runs it.
My dreams will most likely be dashed but I am hoping beyond hope that Julio comes back.
My dreams will most likely be dashed but I am hoping beyond hope that Julio comes back.
I have said before what I am going to say here.
I don't think that how successful an offense is or is not is totally on the shoulders of the offense itself.
If I remember correctly, our offense got the ball in pretty dismal field position most of the day. There is a big difference between starting a drive on your own 15 yard line and starting on the 50 yard line.
Did our defense get a single turnover today? How many times did we turn the ball over to the LSU defense? Two? Three?
We have gotten turnovers this year through interceptions, but I don't see a concentrated effort at tackling the football -- or even the runner -- particularly when he comes around end or even off tackle.
Do we have a DeMeco Ryans or a Rolando McClain on this team? The answer is no.
I have said THIS before, on here, that great Alabama defenses have been known for their linebacker play. We had an exception to that in 1992. But you look back at the great Alabama defenses, and they had the Jordans, the Cranes, the Lowes, the Krauses, the Thomases, the McClains. As Coach Bryant said, the Linebackers are "the guts of your defense."
The job of the Linebacker is to make plays by tackling. He's not out there primarily to make interceptions. He's out there to stop the other team dead in its tracks and turn the ball over to the offense. This interplay between defense and offense might be called "chemistry." That particular formula is not in our test tube this year as in the past, at least not when it comes to the big game.
Some people on here still don't believe this, that Alabama has won its championships primarily through defense, and the good Alabama defenses have usually centered around the linebacking position. It happened as late as last year. Rolando McClain was the Command Post. Everything on defense radiated out from him, for three years. This is not happening this year.
I am frustrated at this pointing the finger at the offense. This offense can get it done, but why should an Alabama offense be expected to start deep in its own territory? Isn't that what happened today? Gary Danielson, in my opinion, has explained it perfectly. If you start on the 50, the whole dynamic of the quarterback's playcalling is different from starting deep in your own territory. And when your offense keeps having to start from its own 20 or thereabouts, I start looking at the defense.
Leadership. On defense. Where is it? I say a big part of it left and went to Oakland. This is not to blame our defensive ballplayers. We have a bunch of good players on that defense. But nobody seems to feel led to step up and take the leadership role.
A leader "makes something happen." It ain't happening for us on defense this year in the big games.
What would such a "happening" be?
Well, how about a turnover on the other team's end of the field? Some of you statistics geniuses might tell us after the season is over, how many turnovers on the other team's end of the field did our defense come up with in the big games, such as South Carolina, LSU, (even) Mississippi State, and Auburn?
One way to get a turnover is simply to make the other team go three and out on its end of the field. No use even getting into that here.
How about covering fumbles? Like John Havlicek used to do as the Celtics' Sixth Man, before he became a perennial all-star. ("Hal, that's BASKETBALL!") He was known as "the Garbage man." That's a good comparison to playing good football defense. Havlicek was a leader who understood how to play defense. He went after the loose ball.
Who CARES about offense that much here in Alabama? The Big 12 has WHING-DING offenses. So what? Alabama has won championships with its DEFENSE.
I don't think that how successful an offense is or is not is totally on the shoulders of the offense itself.
If I remember correctly, our offense got the ball in pretty dismal field position most of the day. There is a big difference between starting a drive on your own 15 yard line and starting on the 50 yard line.
Did our defense get a single turnover today? How many times did we turn the ball over to the LSU defense? Two? Three?
We have gotten turnovers this year through interceptions, but I don't see a concentrated effort at tackling the football -- or even the runner -- particularly when he comes around end or even off tackle.
Do we have a DeMeco Ryans or a Rolando McClain on this team? The answer is no.
I have said THIS before, on here, that great Alabama defenses have been known for their linebacker play. We had an exception to that in 1992. But you look back at the great Alabama defenses, and they had the Jordans, the Cranes, the Lowes, the Krauses, the Thomases, the McClains. As Coach Bryant said, the Linebackers are "the guts of your defense."
The job of the Linebacker is to make plays by tackling. He's not out there primarily to make interceptions. He's out there to stop the other team dead in its tracks and turn the ball over to the offense. This interplay between defense and offense might be called "chemistry." That particular formula is not in our test tube this year as in the past, at least not when it comes to the big game.
Some people on here still don't believe this, that Alabama has won its championships primarily through defense, and the good Alabama defenses have usually centered around the linebacking position. It happened as late as last year. Rolando McClain was the Command Post. Everything on defense radiated out from him, for three years. This is not happening this year.
I am frustrated at this pointing the finger at the offense. This offense can get it done, but why should an Alabama offense be expected to start deep in its own territory? Isn't that what happened today? Gary Danielson, in my opinion, has explained it perfectly. If you start on the 50, the whole dynamic of the quarterback's playcalling is different from starting deep in your own territory. And when your offense keeps having to start from its own 20 or thereabouts, I start looking at the defense.
Leadership. On defense. Where is it? I say a big part of it left and went to Oakland. This is not to blame our defensive ballplayers. We have a bunch of good players on that defense. But nobody seems to feel led to step up and take the leadership role.
A leader "makes something happen." It ain't happening for us on defense this year in the big games.
What would such a "happening" be?
Well, how about a turnover on the other team's end of the field? Some of you statistics geniuses might tell us after the season is over, how many turnovers on the other team's end of the field did our defense come up with in the big games, such as South Carolina, LSU, (even) Mississippi State, and Auburn?
One way to get a turnover is simply to make the other team go three and out on its end of the field. No use even getting into that here.
How about covering fumbles? Like John Havlicek used to do as the Celtics' Sixth Man, before he became a perennial all-star. ("Hal, that's BASKETBALL!") He was known as "the Garbage man." That's a good comparison to playing good football defense. Havlicek was a leader who understood how to play defense. He went after the loose ball.
Who CARES about offense that much here in Alabama? The Big 12 has WHING-DING offenses. So what? Alabama has won championships with its DEFENSE.
Coach Mac is not the issue. The line play has been lacking and I believe it effects the calls. If the cant blast someone off the line what makes someone think they can fight out and pull on sweeps?
Also, Sabans philosophy will never be to chuck a the ball 50 yards downfield. I was talking to a coworker about why G-Mac seems to be hesitant to throw downfield over the middle. Gripe was Db's can jump 1st move knowing they had saftey help deep to the outside. Co-worker who is good friends with Major Applewhite said are u sure its G-Mac b/c he asked Major and was told Sabans offense is designed to be efficent, not take lots of deep shots down field.
Not trying to start a rumor just saying it makes sense.
Jv
Also, Sabans philosophy will never be to chuck a the ball 50 yards downfield. I was talking to a coworker about why G-Mac seems to be hesitant to throw downfield over the middle. Gripe was Db's can jump 1st move knowing they had saftey help deep to the outside. Co-worker who is good friends with Major Applewhite said are u sure its G-Mac b/c he asked Major and was told Sabans offense is designed to be efficent, not take lots of deep shots down field.
Not trying to start a rumor just saying it makes sense.
Jv
I think there are a few reasons:
We are predictable on offense. (When we scored our first touchdown, we came out on 3rd down and I saw the formation I said it's a pass.
Good teams are stacking the line to stop the run and we haven't had good enough pass blocking to make them pay.
Last, and most important I think, is we just don't seem to have the same fire or team chemistry as we had last year. Maybe it's the youth on defense. Maybe it's that we lost a couple of key offensive linemen. Last year, if we scored 21 points, it was a win.
Now I have to live with all these tiger turds for another year.
Krymsonman
Just my opionion obviously - it just seems that our passing games plays right into the hands of how other teams play our running game. Meaning most teams play us close up because we are either going to run or throw short therefore they're not concerned much with deep balls. Which is why all the talking heads say the other teams will make McElroy beat us instead of Ingram and Richardson. I like GMac but I just don't think stretching it deep down field is his strong suit. God I hate to sound like the fan who says try the 2nd team QB but let's try the 2nd string QB. But I'm behind them no matter what, just stating my thought.
Yep.
He is engineering an offense that requires the least amount of tinkering to stop - impressive for its effectiveness in that aim, really.
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