As expected, Clowney picks USCe

[Saban14]

There are specific regulations about kids and academic records. I don't know the specifics but it is kind of like HIPPA in healthcare. Colleges can no longer send grades or academic info to the parents residence unless the student has signed a release. The student has elevated privacy rights regarding academics.

I completely understand this and agree with you. My point was that the article quoted someone else, and if anyone should be under fire, it is Hargrave's coach. Also, since there was no legit specifics regarding his transcripts, other than the very vague "Couple of D's" remarks, I don't think anything was violated at all. It is no different than a reporter quoting a government whistle-blower. I'm kind of shocked that Hargrave's coach made those remarks, not surprised at all that a reporter reported it.

 

[bamaguy32]

Re: Clowney Decision

Interesting article. I do have to think that the coaching staff would have thoroughly explained what position they would play him (Jack), but it almost sounds like he was repeating what our rivals might say about how he would be used down here.

I'm also pretty sure Saban can talk a recruit's ear off. Doesn't really bother me that he said as much.

yeah, seems the potential weight he could reach would be the prototypical size for a pass rushing DE in our defense.

 

[GreatMarch]

There are specific regulations about kids and academic records. I don't know the specifics but it is kind of like HIPPA in healthcare. Colleges can no longer send grades or academic info to the parents residence unless the student has signed a release. The student has elevated privacy rights regarding academics.

I wonder if the article was going to head in a direction of possible grade changing? The media here got hold of information concerning possible grade changes with Kerry Murphy at Hoover and Nick Fairley at Davidson. The coach at Hargrave commenting on things he saw makes you wonder if someone at USCe (or Clem or Bama) was already preparing for prep placement and the coach let his mouth slip. Also, the teachers speaking as if he does not apply himself in the classroom makes you wonder if he will qualify. I hope he does but I would hope it is done correctly. I would want that for any player going to any school including Alabama. Keep in mind that with both Murphy and Fairley, they went the Prep/JUCO route.

 

[twofbyc]

“Nick Saban’s going to take over and talk,” Clowney said. “He talked the whole time he was there. I was dozing off. He can talk. A lot. He talked for a whole straight hour.”

Indicates to me he thinks he knows it all, and will have a hard time "listening" to what those who know more want to say. I see that as a major problem for him.

 

[GMacFan]

What is up with Clowney talking so much crap about Saban. He's been completely professional this whole time and now this? I hope Cyrus gives him a damn hard time the next time we play USCe.

 

[RKel32]

This isn't sour grapes, but just from reading that article, I don't think he'd fit in with our team mentality anyway. Heck of a player at this point and with the right mindset he will certainly be a special player, but the interview doesn't sound like the type of player we typically have in our locker room.

 

[GMacFan]

But man I wish someone will tell Clowney he didn't need to bulk up if he wanted to come here, he could play Jack and still be primarily an edge rusher. Because if what he said was true, that if he didn't have to add so much weight he would've committed to us, then he didn't commit only because he was misinformed. I bet the Cocks Staff was telling him that, that'd he'd have to add weight and be a Marcel Dareus type if he wanted to play here. Oh well, kid has a bad attitude. He almost seems ....ed, like he has a vendetta against Saban or something. I think at one point he really wanted to play here, but that point is obviously past.

 

[J.E.B. Stuart]

And now ladies and gentlemen you see why I have posted in the past about not caring what a bunch of 18 year old loud mouth kids say about where they are going to play. This guy had his 15 minutes of fame. Now he has to produce. When USC goes 6-6 and no bowl except the Bonzo Pizza Bowl in West Harlem, Mexico, then maybe he will think about his decisions. Seems he really was hooked up on Saban, running his mouth. Well, he'll never see Bama because they will not be on the schedule till his Sr. year and he will not be there by then. So, this kind of crap is why I simply do not care until the names have been faxed in. If they come here, great, if they go there, I don't care about them. They mean nothing too me.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I think it had more to do with "mama" and the distance factor.

But man I wish someone will tell Clowney he didn't need to bulk up if he wanted to come here, he could play Jack and still be primarily an edge rusher. Because if what he said was true, that if he didn't have to add so much weight he would've committed to us, then he didn't commit only because he was misinformed. I bet the Cocks Staff was telling him that, that'd he'd have to add weight and be a Marcel Dareus type if he wanted to play here. Oh well, kid has a bad attitude. He almost seems ....ed, like he has a vendetta against Saban or something. I think at one point he really wanted to play here, but that point is obviously past.

 

[WMack4Bama]

I don't have a problem with anything Clowney said. At least 98% of us on here are past that stage in life where he is and we've matured to the point where we can more or less see the forest amongst the trees. And I'd guess that an even larger percentage of us here never been that sought after as a teenager. Being on the field with 80+ other guys who were all the best players on their high school teams kind of brings things back a bit. And if what he said is what actually happened, then it is what it is. I tend to try to look at things from the positive standpoint. When asked if he thought we hired Coach Rumph just to recruit him, he defended us and said, "No. They're not like that. At least I don't think." And then, he said that if we ran a 4-3 schemed he'd have picked us a long time ago. At his age and with all the praise he's, no doubt, gotten his entire life, I can see how it can be hard for him to see how something outside of his comfort zone could benefit him. Jason Taylor was the same way before he played in Coach Saban's scheme. Taylor had been strictly a 4-3 edge rushing DE, but being able to put his hand on the ground as well as stand up garnered him an NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award. Not only that, but having that versatility has allowed Jason to extend his career by playing in Washington as a 4-3 edge rusher, going back to Miami in Tony Sporano's 3-4 system, and playing in Rex Ryan's complicated 3-4 scheme. I wish Jadaveon all the best and hope he has a long and successful career. And I trust that the longer he plays the game, he'll see how playing in a 3-4 system (especially in Coach Saban's system) would've benefited him more than it hurt him.

 

[ElkhartTider]

Facebook post from an Auburn fan that I'm friends with for some reason...

well Bama fans, after hearing Jadaveon Clowney speak, I don't think you missed out on much. He may be a good football player, but he sounds incredibly dumb.

Good lord.

 

[jps1983]

Re: Clowney Decision

What I was trying to emphasize is that the perceived success/failure of this year's class did not depend on signing Clowney. The greatness of our defense would not have depended upon his being a part of it. I personally believe we will be just fine without him. I do not recall any Bama team that relied upon the greatness of any one or 2 players when we had championship years. It has always been a great TEAM that has won it for us; unlike our state rival who would have not won anything without their paid QB.

I agree, I was just saying a top talent like that is something we should pursue every year; that's all i meant. I am surprised I've been reading the comments Clowney has been making about CNS. I'm not sure if it was meant as a jab to CNS (comments about CNS talking a lot) or just an indication that JC got really tired of the recruiting process.

 

[liquidvengeance]

But man I wish someone will tell Clowney he didn't need to bulk up if he wanted to come here, he could play Jack and still be primarily an edge rusher. Because if what he said was true, that if he didn't have to add so much weight he would've committed to us, then he didn't commit only because he was misinformed. I bet the Cocks Staff was telling him that, that'd he'd have to add weight and be a Marcel Dareus type if he wanted to play here. Oh well, kid has a bad attitude. He almost seems ....ed, like he has a vendetta against Saban or something. I think at one point he really wanted to play here, but that point is obviously past.

Coach Saban and the Crimson nation could careless what moans and cries about. Theres one thing about it. He fits right in with the lady hens. He ruffles up his feathers alot and whines and clucks but all in it doesnt amount to a hill of manure. South miss carol is a bonafide papa johns contendee. Congratulations.

:biggrin:

 

[ABamaManNTX]

“Nick Saban’s going to take over and talk,” Clowney said. “He talked the whole time he was there. I was dozing off. He can talk. A lot. He talked for a whole straight hour.”

Indicates to me he thinks he knows it all, and will have a hard time "listening" to what those who know more want to say. I see that as a major problem for him.[/QUOTE]

Maybe he's so dumb that he just could not understand Coach Saban. Maybe Coach was talking about how he could help develop him into an NFL ready athlete and he just could not grasp or understand what Coach was saying.

Why didn't Clowney talk. Was he tooooo dense?

I'll be pulling for USCe to go 0 - 12 each year for the next few years. I never thought I'd pull for Florida or Tennessee, but I will now when they play USCe. This is not because he committed to USCe but what he said about Coach Saban. I say this knowing that there is freedom of speech in our country.

Also, when it comes to coaching, there are not many that Coach Saban needs to listen to, even knowing that an old dog can learn new tricks. Again, I just really don't like that statement that he made. Some things, you just don't say even if you think them.

I would like to be a fly on the wall when Coach Saban heard what he said, if he did. Has Clowney heard a coach in the SEC that knows more than Coach Saban when it comes to coaching? I guess maybe Coach Superior.

In one of the articles, it stated that he does not like to read. Maybe that's one of his (Clowney's) problems academically. If you don't read how are you going to learn? Well, also when you don't like to listen to educated people that's another strike that helps you remain uneducated.

My recommendation to Mr. Clowney. Please read Proverbs to gain wisdom/understanding so that you can show discretion when speaking.

 

[USCBAMA]

Couple of clarifications.

Overall JC had very good things to say about Bama and how they recruited him... throughout his recruitment he has been very complimentary of Saban and the Tide. Don't let 1 or 2 quotes from a recruiting story make you thing otherwise. According to him and his HS coach he was very impressed on his visit to Tuscaloosa and almost committed while there.

The issue with the 3-4 versus the 4-3 has more to do with where he will likely play in the NFL (DE in a 4-3) versus where he has the ability to play in college (anywhere he wants to outside of DB). Playing DE in a 4-3 will better prepare him for the NFL because it's likely where he will play on Sundays.

Having a kid who loves his mother and considers her being able to see him play every week as a major factor in his recruitment is not such a bad thing. It was key in having Cyrus commit to Bama (brother already there) and was key in JC's committment to USC. In both cases the kids ultimately showed class and smarts in allowing family to be a key factor.

USC has not posted a losing season since 2003 and only one 0.500 season in that span. Given the talent Spurrier has assembled in Columbia, it is unlikely that JC is destined to have losing seasons or go 6-6 every year. Not saying they will suddenly compete for the NC, but this is a team with real talent at key positions. With a better OL this team would be scary (of course a lot of teams can say that... good OL are hard to find).

I know a majority of posters following the JC recruitment have kept a level head and have posted with class, but the few rotten apples have been really rotten. Some harsh stuff said about a kid who all basically said that he would have signed with Bama if not for the distance factor (I guess the logic being that he's a classless, idiotic loser because he loves his mom more than he loves Nick Saban).

Roll Tide.

 

[bamabelle1991]

I believe you're thinking of FERPA. However, if I understand it correctly, it would apply to the school and not the press. So, if the press reported something FERPA-protected, the violation would rest with the school allowing it to get to the press, not with the press reporting it. That being said, I don't know jack about education law.

Yes, that sounds right. I also know nothing about education law but remember a lengthy conversation about this in the Cam Newton MEGATHREAD. My law knowledge is in the area of criminal defense and juvenile dependency. I hope neither of which ever apply to any of our recruits and/or players! haha!

I completely understand this and agree with you. My point was that the article quoted someone else, and if anyone should be under fire, it is Hargrave's coach. Also, since there was no legit specifics regarding his transcripts, other than the very vague "Couple of D's" remarks, I don't think anything was violated at all. It is no different than a reporter quoting a government whistle-blower. I'm kind of shocked that Hargrave's coach made those remarks, not surprised at all that a reporter reported it.

Agree 100%!

 

[USCBAMA]

I completely understand this and agree with you. My point was that the article quoted someone else, and if anyone should be under fire, it is Hargrave's coach. Also, since there was no legit specifics regarding his transcripts, other than the very vague "Couple of D's" remarks, I don't think anything was violated at all. It is no different than a reporter quoting a government whistle-blower. I'm kind of shocked that Hargrave's coach made those remarks, not surprised at all that a reporter reported it.

There is already radio talk around here that the Hargrave coach may be asked to step down over this. It's a gray area legally, but ethically it was way out-of-bounds. Hargrave is a school clemson steers a lot of kids to, while USC tends to steer players elsewhere, so there is some history behind why this was "leaked" to the NYTs by the Hargrave coach around the time rumors started swelling that JC to USC was all but a done deal (last week).

Maybe it wasn't illegal (that's yet to be determined), but it was classless and ethically questionable. I'm sure Hargrave's competing Prep Schools will be quick to point out how careless the Hargrave coach is with player's private information.

 

[BEATtutorsee]

Re: DE Jadeveon Clowney Updates: He says that SC and Clemson are his top two favorite

If the shirt is any indication, it's obvious...

It had been rather obvious long before today IMHO. I'm just glad it's over. I was getting tired of hearing about it frankly.

 

[WMack4Bama]

Couple things...as with all things, there are no guarantees in life. No guarantee he'll play on Sundays. There's quite a long road between here & there. Secondly, in the NFL, he kinda doesn't have a say so in where he plays. Mainly depending on where he gets drafted. Couple of examples. At Arizona St., Terrell Suggs was a pass rushing DE in a 4-3 scheme. Gets drafted by the Ravens and now he plays on his feet on the outside as well as with his hand on the ground. And if he decides that he doesn't want to, it might hurt him in the long run. Take Albert Haynesworth for instance. He knows, he's a better DT in a 4-3 scheme, but the coaches want him at DE in a 3-4 scheme. He comes out looking like the bad guy and his image and value have plummeted (worse than it already was).

Couple of clarifications.

Overall JC had very good things to say about Bama and how they recruited him... throughout his recruitment he has been very complimentary of Saban and the Tide. Don't let 1 or 2 quotes from a recruiting story make you thing otherwise. According to him and his HS coach he was very impressed on his visit to Tuscaloosa and almost committed while there.

The issue with the 3-4 versus the 4-3 has more to do with where he will likely play in the NFL (DE in a 4-3) versus where he has the ability to play in college (anywhere he wants to outside of DB). Playing DE in a 4-3 will better prepare him for the NFL because it's likely where he will play on Sundays.

Having a kid who loves his mother and considers her being able to see him play every week as a major factor in his recruitment is not such a bad thing. It was key in having Cyrus commit to Bama (brother already there) and was key in JC's committment to USC. In both cases the kids ultimately showed class and smarts in allowing family to be a key factor.

USC has not posted a losing season since 2003 and only one 0.500 season in that span. Given the talent Spurrier has assembled in Columbia, it is unlikely that JC is destined to have losing seasons or go 6-6 every year. Not saying they will suddenly compete for the NC, but this is a team with real talent at key positions. With a better OL this team would be scary (of course a lot of teams can say that... good OL are hard to find).

I know a majority of posters following the JC recruitment have kept a level head and have posted with class, but the few rotten apples have been really rotten. Some harsh stuff said about a kid who all basically said that he would have signed with Bama if not for the distance factor (I guess the logic being that he's a classless, idiotic loser because he loves his mom more than he loves Nick Saban).

Roll Tide.

 

[bigjue24]

good luck to the young man. I will pull for him every week unless he is facing the Tide. I like USCe. CSS is one of my favorite coaches. He is always great for a sound bite and says the truth when many coaches just sugar coat it. Most people hate him unless he is the coach of your team, much like Papa Nick, (that is what my friends and I refer to CNS as).
Clowney is a great talent, but it is going to be difficult to live up to this much hype.