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Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...1-11-09/paterno-resigns-penn-state/51137420/1
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – The statue outside the gate of Beaver Stadium shows the iconic coach Joe Paterno in a coat and tie, cuffs rolled up, right index finger in the air, running onto the field with his players.

Penn State football coach Joe Paterno announced that he will retire at the end of this season.

A description on one side of a wall reads, "Educator, Coach, Humanitarian."

On the other side, there is a quote: "They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach."
 
Re: Penn State Officials Reportedly Planning Paterno's Exit

I think these are all very reasonable questions. I don't understand why in this day and age we are ready to burn people at the stake the day after we learn vague facts about possible misdeeds.

Matt 7:2-5
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly with honesty and justice, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other ignoble means, our judgment will reflect it and judging with fairness and compassion will garner likewise in His judgment of us].

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]?
How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]?

You hypocrite [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense thinking of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother's eye [to judge and to help him out of his bondage to sin]."

At Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan, Jesus was talking to the multitudes gathered there after hearing of His message and of His healings to beseech them to not become like the pharisees and hypocrites who think they are above sin.

I do have a right to speak on this subject, I was a victim 3x over, although I don't go around expounding on it.

My own Mother and father didn't believe me, maybe because I was 9 yrs. old at the time. so I personally walked to a Mobile County Deputy Sheriff's house and told him, to my dismay he did nothing. :mad2:

After the 3rd time, I was 10, I left and went [walked-scared to death] to my grandmothers in Montgomery., I told her and she took me to the AL State Police Barracks to tell them, long story short, he served 3yrs. in prison, you have to remember this was back in early '50's!
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

Yeah, that sounds pretty bad. A couple thoughts. First, it doesn't sound like the report was quite as clear cut as some have made it out to be. The GA didn't say, "I saw Coach Sandusky having sex with a ten year old." It sounds like he told him that he saw something that he shouldn't have, that something bad was going down. Perhaps Paterno reported it to the AD and they came back and told him later there was nothing to it.

I'm really not trying to defend Paterno, but I imagine when this GA showed up, he told a story that was confused, that was somewhat disjointed. He was upset after all. This story was about a friend of Paterno's for 30 years. I am trying to think what I would do if someone told me that they saw my best friend possibly molesting a young boy. I can tell you this though -- I would not immediately go to the police. I would have to do some investigation on my own before I made what I believe to be the worst accusation you could make. Like I said earlier, I have to know more before I can pass judgment here. I want a detailed account of what went down. I assume the grand jury testimony is sealed here. So we know the overall picture, but not the detailed one.

Disclaimer: I am as clueless as the next person about what really happened. All I have to go on is what the media is reporting. It is being reported that a source close to the GA then/ now assistant Mike McQueary did tell Paterno the entire story in detail.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188543-298.stm
Until last week, Mr. McQueary was best known as the red-haired coach with the headphones who was constantly relaying information to his 84-year-old boss on the sidelines during games. He is now known for relaying information to Mr. Paterno about an alleged sexual assault by one of his former coaches at an on-campus football facility.

Mr. McQueary is a central figure in the child sexual assault case against former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. According to grand jury testimony, Mr. McQueary witnessed Mr. Sandusky committing a sexual assault on a young boy at Penn State's Lasch Football building in 2002.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...08/penn-state-scandal-mike-mcquery/51129742/1
 
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Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

Yeah, that sounds pretty bad. A couple thoughts. First, it doesn't sound like the report was quite as clear cut as some have made it out to be. The GA didn't say, "I saw Coach Sandusky having sex with a ten year old." It sounds like he told him that he saw something that he shouldn't have, that something bad was going down. Perhaps Paterno reported it to the AD and they came back and told him later there was nothing to it.

I'm really not trying to defend Paterno, but I imagine when this GA showed up, he told a story that was confused, that was somewhat disjointed. He was upset after all. This story was about a friend of Paterno's for 30 years. I am trying to think what I would do if someone told me that they saw my best friend possibly molesting a young boy. I can tell you this though -- I would not immediately go to the police. I would have to do some investigation on my own before I made what I believe to be the worst accusation you could make. Like I said earlier, I have to know more before I can pass judgment here. I want a detailed account of what went down. I assume the grand jury testimony is sealed here. So we know the overall picture, but not the detailed one.
The Alabama Mandatory Reporting Act says the report must be made to "duly constituted authority," which, as any teacher here can tell you, has been held to be DHR or law enforcement. If his boss did something about it, he would be off the hook. If not, then the legal duty to report remains with him, if the PA Act is similar, as I've been told. The reason for that provision is specifically to pull such reports "out of the chain of command," so to speak, in order to avoid situations like existed in the Catholic Church. It makes it clear that it's a crime and can never be an "internal matter..."
 
Re: Penn State Officials Reportedly Planning Paterno's Exit

This is not a good way to end 40+ years of coaching. He should have retired 15+years ago.
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

Yeah, that sounds pretty bad. A couple thoughts. First, it doesn't sound like the report was quite as clear cut as some have made it out to be. The GA didn't say, "I saw Coach Sandusky having sex with a ten year old." It sounds like he told him that he saw something that he shouldn't have, that something bad was going down. Perhaps Paterno reported it to the AD and they came back and told him later there was nothing to it.

I'm really not trying to defend Paterno, but I imagine when this GA showed up, he told a story that was confused, that was somewhat disjointed. He was upset after all. This story was about a friend of Paterno's for 30 years. I am trying to think what I would do if someone told me that they saw my best friend possibly molesting a young boy. I can tell you this though -- I would not immediately go to the police. I would have to do some investigation on my own before I made what I believe to be the worst accusation you could make. Like I said earlier, I have to know more before I can pass judgment here. I want a detailed account of what went down. I assume the grand jury testimony is sealed here. So we know the overall picture, but not the detailed one.
If you read the indictment, it says what Joe was told by McQueary per Joe's testimony to the Grand Jury. McQueary was specific enough.
 
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I'm sorry, until I know all the facts I am not going to condemn someone, no matter what they are accused of. The facts look bad--very bad--for Paterno, but I am reserving judgment until they all come out and a clear story is presented. That will happen, very soon no doubt. We may find that some of this is overstated. We may find that the GA walked in on Sandusky with the boy after the incident had happened, that it looked suspicious, but it wasn't clear what happened.

Look, if the GA saw Sandusky raping a ten year old boy and did nothing to stop it, he is reprehensible. If he told Joe Pa, "I saw Sandusky raping a ten year old boy" and Paterno did nothing to stop it, he is reprehensible too. I think we all agree on the moral judgment here. I just want to make sure that is what happened before I damn a man who, by all accounts, has been a shining example of what men should be.

Have you read the grand jury report? The GA stated under oath that he saw Sandusky actually raping a boy about 10 years of age. It describes it in graphic detail. That is fact. That's not overstated. He then says he told Paterno about it the next day. Paterno admits he was very shaken. And all Paterno does is tell the AD and leaves it at that? Allowing Sandusky to come around for years, even with kids? Come on!
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

The grand jury indictment is easy to google and find. I strongly suggest a brief review before trying to make any excuses for Paterno or the administration. I stand by my earlier post. The GA should have beaten Sandusky, called the police and then gone to administration.
 
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This is not a good way to end 40+ years of coaching. He should have retired 15+years ago.

I'm going post the same thing every time I read a post like this. Who cares about Jo Paterno's legacy or what this does to it. Who cares how this effects any adults in the situation. If he had retired 15 years ago that would not change the fact that young children were sexually abused.

The focus of the story here should be the children. Everything else is just static taking the focus away from where it should be which is on the victims of the crimes and getting to the bottom of it all. Not a coaching legacy.

Thank you very much for your service, I'm sure you are focused on the victims as you risk your life to keep us all safe. I just think sometimes we all get easily distracted from the victims.
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

I think everyone in the athletic department and academic administration who had their hands involved in this should be relieved of their duties - immediately.
Why is Paterno coaching out the season?
Also, am I the only one who finds the fact all this is coming to light immediately following Paterno setting the record of 409 wins at least a little bit coincidence?
 
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Just like the catholic church a few years ago. But they still get respect. Joe pa will go down as the godfather of it all.
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-paterno-legacy-sullied-wake-sandusky-scandal
Say what you will about the number of games he coached from the press box in recent years, a concession to his physical frailty. But in this bottom-line business, Paterno delivered until the day he stopped coaching.

In truth, age failed him off the field. Paterno failed to grasp the import of what graduate assistant Mike McQueary said to him in March 2002. Paterno, like many in his generation, failed to grasp that society no longer handled such indecencies behind closed doors. Society once referred to the crimes of which Sandusky is accused as unspeakable. Nothing goes unspoken any longer.

This societal change is, in sum, a good thing. The public reaction to what allegedly happened at Penn State and, to be more accurate, what didn't happen, says something about the nature of the horror visited on the victims. Not visited -- visits are brief, and the effects of such crimes leave psychic scars that disfigure for life.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...rry-sandusky-was-campus-last-week-reports-say
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

I guess that this should be mentioned, since I have not seen it in the thread yet. Defendants are not allowed an opportunity to defend themselves in front of a grand jury. We have only heard one side of the story. We can, from that one side, see that some very evil men did some very evil things. But I have seen indictments that looked just as strong turn out to be a bunch of bunk.
 
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And the $64,000 question is finally asked:

Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.

Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.

It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?

You thought it was bad before? For Penn State, it just got a whole lot worse.
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno says that he has decided to retire at the end of the season

The Alabama Mandatory Reporting Act says the report must be made to "duly constituted authority," which, as any teacher here can tell you, has been held to be DHR or law enforcement. If his boss did something about it, he would be off the hook. If not, then the legal duty to report remains with him, if the PA Act is similar, as I've been told. The reason for that provision is specifically to pull such reports "out of the chain of command," so to speak, in order to avoid situations like existed in the Catholic Church. It makes it clear that it's a crime and can never be an "internal matter..."

Unfortunately, the PA act says the person required to report has met his/her obligation when they report it to the head of the institution.
 
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Well, I'm not going to say lynch JoePa until he is convicted of something pertaining to this sick criminal act. Jumping to the conclusion that JoePa is responsible for covering up this sick'os actions without any proof is wrong. The State attorney has stated he doesn't see JoePa broke the law and we don't even know what was told to him by the GA. At this point, I'm willing to give time to the investigators and see how this plays out. At this point, I think the most important issue is that the sick'o has been arrested. The men at the top that did not report this are the ones that are guilty of a cover-up and could see jail time, but they are gone from PSU. I'll wait on judging JoePa for the time being.
 
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