Four Bama football players arrested, are dismissed from team

[CrimsonNagus]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

I disagree with all this "the university needs to hide behind lawyers, they have a process to follow" stuff. If AU, Tenn. and countless other schools can just kick kids of the team, why can't Bama? Shoot, in 2009 UT kicked a player off that was later acquitted or the charges were dropped and then reinstated him. In the unlikely scenario that one of these 4 is found innocent then we could just as easily reinstate him, although I highly doubt that will happen to any of them. Sometimes the process needs to be quick and simple, in this case it should have meant dismissal, not indefinite suspension. I know what indefinite suspension has meant under Saban, I just think a harsher stance should have been taken this time.


Also, I'm tired of hearing Bama fans, not specifically in this thread (think radio), say that Calloway deserves a second chance. This was his second chance and he deserves to be gone just as much as the rest of them IMO.


Last thing for now, I really hope that no one connect to the university in any way helped these thugs post bond. It was a huge chunk of change for 3 of them that I wouldn't have been able to afford. I honestly hate that it is so easy to post bond anyway, the deserved a few nights in jail before bonding out.

 

[WishIwasInBama]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

What kills me is how they may end up in some smaller division or program. I am of the opinion that these guys have no business representing any university, any football team, or the state of Alabama. When they get kicked off the team they most likely will fall to a lower tier university depending on charges levyed. I don't think football programs of higher learning institutions should be social reform projects, they should be a representation of the student body of the school. I'm all for second chances, but I don't think they should ever involve any kind of athletic scholarships when you are kicked off a team at a different school for things like this.

 

[chanson78]

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Williams was released from jail on a $65,000 bond, Hayes and Pettway were released on a $60,000 bond and Calloway was released on a $5,000 bond, a Tuscaloosa Police Department spokesman said. Jail records indicate they were arrested around midnight and released between 3 and 5 a.m. Tuesday morning. Officers at the Tuscaloosa County Jail said they could not provide information regarding the release of the four men or who paid each of their bail. Sgt. Jeff Judd referred questions Tuesday night to the Sheriff’s Office public information officer, who was not available.

I thought this was asked earlier, but after seeing in the CW that bond was $65,000 and $60,000 who posted that bond? Isn't a bond usually 10% of the bail figure? If so bail would have been $650,000 and $600,000. Am I reading this correctly? I am not terribly knowledgable on the whole cost of getting out of jail thing but this seems like an awful lot of money for college kids to come up with.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

What kills me is how they may end up in some smaller division or program. I am of the opinion that these guys have no business representing any university, any football team, or the state of Alabama. When they get kicked off the team they most likely will fall to a lower tier university depending on charges levyed. I don't think football programs of higher learning institutions should be social reform projects, they should be a representation of the student body of the school. I'm all for second chances, but I don't think they should ever involve any kind of athletic scholarships when you are kicked off a team at a different school for things like this.

I don't think that Williams will get away without some time. That would almost automatically bar him from participation elsewhere. With the other three, assuming they get off with probation, what you've predicted is easily possible...

 

[jps1983]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I don't think that Williams will get away without some time. That would almost automatically bar him from participation elsewhere. With the other three, assuming they get off with probation, what you've predicted is easily possible...

Yep; Pettway was looking at a decent role for us, so I'm sure he'll land somewhere else and get to play. I'd be curious to see what happens if he goes to another school and is involved in another on campus beating/robbery. I don't think it'd be successful, but I'm sure someone would try to file a civil claim against school for some breach of duty or negligence.

 

[DiamondDust]

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I thought this was asked earlier, but after seeing in the CW that bond was $65,000 and $60,000 who posted that bond? Isn't a bond usually 10% of the bail figure? If so bail would have been $650,000 and $600,000. Am I reading this correctly? I am not terribly knowledgable on the whole cost of getting out of jail thing but this seems like an awful lot of money for college kids to come up with.

If the bond was $60,000, you'd only have to put up 10% of that... $6,000.

 

[chanson78]

Four Bama football players arrested...

If the bond was $60,000, you'd only have to put up 10% of that... $6,000.

Thanks, so I had it backwards. For some reason I thought a bail bondsman covered the bail fee by issuing a bond against the cost of bail for 10%. Thanks for clearing that up!

 

[bamafaninOhiO]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

This is such sad news. Why in the world would these kids would just throw away their futures on such stupidity is beyond me. They are at the premier college football program in the entire United States under a man who will be known in history as one of the greatest coaches ever to prowl a sideline, on a team that wins championships the same way everyone else eats their morning Cheerios. I just don't get it.

Speaking of Cheerios, if these boys can get out of the deep legal trouble they are in, they ought to at least do Coach Cochran's Breakfast Club at 5:00 am for about 6 consecutive months with only Sundays off. This is the minimum discipline. They likely should lose scholarships.

I hate it when kids toss their opportunities away. I know something about that because I did that when I was at Alabama. I double majored in debauchery and lasciviousness with a minor in concupiscence, with graduate studies in Advanced Beverage Consumption. I got back on track, but it took way too many extra years to compensate. The moral of the story: There is no such thing as a "scenic route" to success in life.

Sad answer; they needed a bag of doritos. This just makes no sense at all to me, if the story holds out as true, they're just a few thugs out on a crime spree, IMO.

I dont think theres much way they stay on the team, especially with the talented players making the right choices and fighting for playing time, qnd Im good with that seeing as how keeping this type of character on other teams weakened their chemistry.

better to let them go, than ruin what the others are accomplishing.

 

[TideHiFlyer]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I know I'm gonna be flamed for this but I think CNS and the coaching staff should be held accountable in a small way due the despicable lack of character of these players. I imagine CNS is beating himself up over it and will probably redouble the efforts of the staff in recruiting and monitoring our players so they are in fact representing the University in a first class way. Roll Tide.

 

[bamafaninOhiO]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I hope he wasn't thinking that it didn't qualify as a credit/debit card...

hard to follow that logic anyways...he knew he was buying items with money that wasnt his...whether it was a bank issued crediot/debit card, or an ACT card issued by the university...still theft, and its just not possible he idnt know that.

this is just a sickening storyline to have to be following.

 

[bamafaninOhiO]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

This goes way past CNS. The University will kick them out. Hard to play ball when you aren't in school. Before these players leave, I'd like for them to get to address the entire team and tell them why they thought this was something they needed to do. I'd really like the O Line from this past season to address them one at a time.

Why have them address the team???? those guys are doing things the RIGHT way....If they're found guilty, and from what Im reading I find it dificult to see any of them escaping this, I prefer they quietly escort them through the facilities to collect their belongings, and then take them out the back door.

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Regarding the arrests, from what I can gather the UAPD officer(s) signed criminal complaints, with supporting depositions from the victims, and that automatically issued the arrest warrants. I'm not sure exactly how they located these guys, but obviously as quickly as this all went down they knew exactly who they were looking for and exactly where they could be found.

I don't claim to be an expert criminal defense lawyer, obviously, but with apparently solid recollections from the victims, and three separate confessions, I think you'll see all three quickly try to work a plea deal. Hard to see how a case like this could be realistically defensible. Only question in my mind now is just how hard of a bargain the prosecution will drive. You have to figure that they know they have a conviction sitting in their back pockets.

 

[BigBama]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I know I'm gonna be flamed for this but I think CNS and the coaching staff should be held accountable in a small way due the despicable lack of character of these players. I imagine CNS is beating himself up over it and will probably redouble the efforts of the staff in recruiting and monitoring our players so they are in fact representing the University in a first class way. Roll Tide.

I would hope you wouldn't get flamed for your comment but consider this: Every coaching staff takes character into consideration when extending offers. However, some coaching staffs put that criterion further up the list than others. I think our staff values a recruits character as much or more than other programs. With that said, our coaching staff prides itself on taking players that need the program more than the program needs them. In this statement is an implied desire to restructure and discipline the lives of these players. With all the effort taken by our coaches, players will still act selfishly and foolishly. No doubt our coaches are beating themselves up and feel like in some small way they have failed these young men. At the same time these players are fully responsible for their actions and the coaches should cut them loose and focus on the other 81 that want to grow as men and football players.

 

[rizolltizide]

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Here's an article from The CW about the attack from the victim..

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[CrimsonEyeshade]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Flyer, this is unfair. Of course, Nick Saban takes responsibility for his program and his players. But unless Florida is home to a bunch of habitual liars, no one saw this coming -- particularly with Eddie Williams. A year ago, he was one of the brightest lights in the incoming class. It's easy to say now that we should have seen his potential for violence.

But easy afterthoughts are like easy answers -- simplistic. Life -- and human behavior -- is a lot more complicated.

I know I'm gonna be flamed for this but I think CNS and the coaching staff should be held accountable in a small way due the despicable lack of character of these players. I imagine CNS is beating himself up over it and will probably redouble the efforts of the staff in recruiting and monitoring our players so they are in fact representing the University in a first class way. Roll Tide.

 

[kayakerjess]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Link removed?

There is a second link later in the thread (p. 35?) that works.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Flyer, this is unfair. Of course, Nick Saban takes responsibility for his program and his players. But unless Florida is home to a bunch of habitual liars, no one saw this coming -- particularly with Eddie Williams. A year ago, he was one of the brightest lights in the incoming class. It's easy to say now that we should have seen his potential for violence.

But easy afterthoughts are like easy answers -- simplistic. Life -- and human behavior -- is a lot more complicated.

I have no doubt Coach will take care of the problem. I also have no doubt that he will reanalyze the notes that attracted us to these kids. At the same time, I do hope the students do sue the heck out of somebody -- as I think there are quite a few people who need to learn a few lessons.

 

[Airborne Tider]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

Flyer, this is unfair. Of course, Nick Saban takes responsibility for his program and his players. But unless Florida is home to a bunch of habitual liars, no one saw this coming -- particularly with Eddie Williams. A year ago, he was one of the brightest lights in the incoming class. It's easy to say now that we should have seen his potential for violence.

But easy afterthoughts are like easy answers -- simplistic. Life -- and human behavior -- is a lot more complicated.

Good post. There was no obvious indicators of this kind of behavior when we recruited these guys.

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[RTR91]

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Link removed?

The link CW recently posted on their Facebook leads to the same page. Very odd.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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Link removed?

Try this one:

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