The Trayvon Martin Case

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So did he need a gun to do that?
We'll never know but I would guess he's the type who carried his gun regardless since he had a conceal and carry permit. No need to have it if you're not going to carry except on vacations and trips out of town. I know several guys who carry the majority of the time. Personally I don't. But here lately it's crossed my mind.
 

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So you're saying he needed his weapon when it came to helping with the wreck?
Ah good, you didn't let me down with the banality.

Yes, because who is to say when some drugged out hoodie wearing thug might try to attack you? I guess you should only carry your gun when you know for sure someone will try to beat you into the concrete.
 
Ah good, you didn't let me down with the banality.

Yes, because who is to say when some drugged out hoodie wearing thug might try to attack you? I guess you should only carry your gun when you know for sure someone will try to beat you into the concrete.
Fair enough, if he felt that way I have nothing against that. But so you think he felt he had to get out of the vehicle to confront TM?
 

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Fair enough, if he felt that way I have nothing against that. But so you think he felt he had to get out of the vehicle to confront TM?
Seriously are you just trolling? What kind of question is that? I'm guessing since he got out of his vehicle he felt that he needed to get out of his vehicle.
 

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Fair enough, if he felt that way I have nothing against that. But so you think he felt he had to get out of the vehicle to confront TM?
I think the "confronting" aspect of this is being overblown. I've been confronted and asked what I was doing in a neighborhood at the age of 30. I was white, wearing cargo shorts, a short sleeve shirt and in a white neighborhood. It's not that big of a deal. People have the right to ask you questions without giving up the right to defend themselves.

I just can't reconcile a person having the right to physically assault another person for simply being asked "Where are you going?", "What are you doing?" etc. Him carrying a gun has nothing to do with that.
 

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Not sure what you are trying to say there. Care to address my original point instead?
I'm trying to say that you keep throwing out "what evidence?" as if there was none, when various things have been thrown out there. So I'm not sure you know what the word evidence means or if you just ignore any evidence that doesn't fit into your narrative.
 

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what really happened in the seconds that led up to the first punch being thrown
No one knows. For all we know GZ could have been smarting off to TM. He could have grabbed his crotch and told him to do him some favors. We don't know. All *we* have to go by is the evidence we know. We can't fill in the blanks of what we think happened (without any supporting evidence) and convict GZ.
 

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At the age of 55 I was parking my truck in the parking lot of a large office building down the street. It was a big big lot and had trees (shade!), which the lot at my office lacked.

After a couple of weeks of doing this daily, a fellow parked, came over to the truck and asked me what I was doing there. Was I looking for someone. I smiled and said, no, just parking in the shade and eating my lunch. He looked at me a but suspiciously and said, ok, then. Was he was profiling me? Maybe I fit the description of someone who had been vandalizing cars in the lot.

It never occured to me to get mad, or to jump out and whip his butt, although, in hindsight, I'm pretty sure I could have. I could have beat the crap out him. Or, maybe he had a gun and would have put a big hole in me. But, he did confront me, so maybe, I should have chanced it.
 

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I'm trying to say that you keep throwing out "what evidence?" as if there was none, when various things have been thrown out there. So I'm not sure you know what the word evidence means or if you just ignore any evidence that doesn't fit into your narrative.
Since you still fail to provide any evidence, I assume that you know of none.
I will repeat, no one other than GZ knows what transpired in the seconds that led up to their confrontation and those are the most important in understanding why this happened as it did.
 
I think the "confronting" aspect of this is being overblown. I've been confronted and asked what I was doing in a neighborhood at the age of 30. I was white, wearing cargo shorts, a short sleeve shirt and in a white neighborhood. It's not that big of a deal. People have the right to ask you questions without giving up the right to defend themselves.

I just can't reconcile a person having the right to physically assault another person for simply being asked "Where are you going?", "What are you doing?" etc. Him carrying a gun has nothing to do with that.
Do we know for a fact that's all that happened? No we do not.
 

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Since you still fail to provide any evidence, I assume that you know of none.
I will repeat, no one other than GZ knows what transpired in the seconds that led up to their confrontation and those are the most important in understanding why this happened as it did.
What words would give someone cause to beat down the person speaking them? What could GZ have possibly said that would have justified TM in beating his head against the sidewalk? I'm trying, but I just can't come up with anything.
 
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