Johnny Manziel investigated by NCAA (will miss first half vs Rice)

[TideEngineer08]

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I do begin to wonder though, will any of this impact his ability on the field? This has been an almost constant barrage of news, mostly bad. Will it get to him? Does he even pay attention to it or care?

At this point, I'm betting he has a season similar to last year. There will be let downs, but that will be mostly because of the losses to the NFL draft, not because he's not "focused." Still, I think he'll have a good year, A&M will win 8, 9, maybe 10 games again and he'll go on to the NFL after that.

 

[Craxycat]

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He will be required to pay the money back and declared ineligible for the entire time that he's writing the check. Upon handing the check over, eligibility will be immediately restored.

I have a little sympathy for A&M's fans, and the administration there (Is Stallings still there? I would be surprised if he didn't have words of wisdom even if JM didn't listen to them). All that said it makes me angry that this kid is wealthy already, but breaks the rules anyway when there are kids w/ NOTHING...and I mean nothing (w/ choices of staying out of football regardless of talent to take care of family etc.) that don't break the rules like this boy did. Really angry, and it has Nada to do w/ A&M at this point just him.

 

[PaulD]

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I have a little sympathy for A&M's fans, and the administration there (Is Stallings still there? I would be surprised if he didn't have words of wisdom even if JM didn't listen to them). All that said it makes me angry that this kid is wealthy already, but breaks the rules anyway when there are kids w/ NOTHING...and I mean nothing (w/ choices of staying out of football regardless of talent to take care of family etc.) that don't break the rules like this boy did. Really angry, and it has Nada to do w/ A&M at this point just him.

Coach Stallings is no longer on the Board of Trustees.

 

[bamamc1]

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I keep thinking this, but this is another: "If nothing comes of this, put a fork in the NCAA" type of situation. I noticed it was a bit odd during the previous OTL report on Johnny, the talk about his dad having stuff for him to sign. That was already pretty close to being out of bounds given the fact that his dad was likely profiting off of them.

But, this seems fairly obvious. There is a witness to verify something improper went on, and you have third parties verifying numbered autographs are authentic. Virtually every memorabilia collector knows the difference between hand signed type stuff, that people push in front of a player, and official type of stuff that some sort of a business entity puts out with cooperation from a player.

Unlike Cam, it would seem the key is that someone witnessed part of this going down, which should radically change things from what I previously thought was proof enough for the NCAA (we know), to we can prove something happened. However, unlike the Cam situation, this wasn't a payer being paid to play, this wasn't a six figure sum, and it didn't involve him playing while ineligible (a key reason I suppose Auburn said to heck with it, and kept playing him).

If everyone is thinking clearly on this, Johnny will own up to it, he will pay the money back, and as punishment he'll have to sit a few games. There would be no punishment for Texas A&M as there was no wrong doing on their part and they never played an ineligible player, and that would be that.

I seem to remember Jerrell Harris being suspended for 6 games because of a laptop. OK NCAA, what are you going to do with this?

 

[BamaFlum]

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IF he sits the first two games, Alabama would be his first game. It takes time to shake off the rust and get back to game speed. It could get ugly if his off season antics created a decent layer of rust.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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Ruh-roh...

 

[Craxycat]

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Ruh-Roh is right...

I do wonder why the client would turn these things over and lawyer up. It would never cross my mind.

 

[TexasBama]

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Ruh-roh...

Tom Culpepper redux.
Reading through Texags, the Aggies seem to think a firm money trail is required by the NCAA.

 

[BigEasyTider]

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Tom Culpepper redux.
Reading through Texags, the Aggies seem to think a firm money trail is required by the NCAA.

Aggies would be wrong then (as would all of the other talking heads making such a proclamation). NCAA only requires whatever the NCAA wants to require at any point in time.

Here is the relevant topic of debate, it seems: Based on (possibly existent) photos showing Manziel autographing a lot of memorabilia in a private apartment, can the NCAA then justify a suspension by inferring that something like that wouldn't happen without a quid pro quo transfer of money, even if they cannot prove said transfer of money? Essentially the NCAA enforcement staff would claim res ipsa.

Is that something that could feasibly happen? We'll see, but I think the answer could be yes. Kind of as always with the NCAA, it really just depends on how vindictive they want to be and how much of a taste for blood they have at the given moment.

 

[Florida Tom]

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:biggrin:

That is almost as good as the Tyler Bray passing route in the parking lot with the bottles you posted. Best of all times!

But this one still makes my side hurt

 

[RTR91]

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This indicates Manziel went looking for the brokers rather than them looking for him.

@SportsCenter DEVELOPING: A second autograph broker has said Johnny Manziel asked for money to sign autographs. (via @schadjoe)

@schadjoe A prominent autograph broker in Southeast said Johnny Manziel's personal assistant told him he could have another session, but for $

@schadjoe.The prominent autograph broker provided ESPN photo of Johnny Manziel signing a stack of photos allegedly in hotel room night b/f Bama game

@schadjoe That broker (not connected to South Florida signing allegations) said he has declined to return 6 calls from NCAA

@schadjoe Alleged Johnny Manziel autograph "proof picture" broker claims he shot

 

[BigEasyTider]

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@SportsCenter DEVELOPING: A second autograph broker has said Johnny Manziel asked for money to sign autographs. (via @schadjoe)

That indicates Manziel went looking for the brokers rather than them looking for him.

Well, I wouldn't trust ol' schadjoe to tell me what time of day it was, but I think it's clear that if we are dealing with Manziel seeking out dealers and multiple dealers at that, obviously we have a completely different story on our hands here...

 

[badpenny]

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"NCAA only requires whatever the NCAA wants to require at any point in time." I hear that! The NCAA really doesn't have subpoena power, but they can request JM's and his parents' (thanks to Cecil Newton) bank account records. If they don't comply, they can pull JM's eligibility.

 

[BigEasyTider]

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@schadjoe.The prominent autograph broker provided ESPN photo of Johnny Manziel signing a stack of photos allegedly in hotel room night b/f Bama game

That indicates Manziel went looking for the brokers rather than them looking for him.

Well, that actually indicates something far bigger, which is that if this one broker is providing photos to ESPN, that means he has an axe to grind with Manziel, which could ultimately be damning.

Can't help but wonder what happened, but if there are multiple brokers are involved, it kind of leads you to believe that Broker A was ultimately passed over for Broker B, and now Broker A is looking for some retribution. For his own sake, I suppose we should all hope that Manziel was smart enough to demand payment in cash. A single canceled check copy could probably cause an earthquake down in College Station.

 

[badpenny]

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On a different point and this may have been discussed earlier: Johnny Manziel has/needs a "personal assistant"?

 

[BigEasyTider]

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@schadjoe Alleged Johnny Manziel autograph "proof picture" broker claims he shot

If that is the only photo that he has, then that's not going very far. He's probably signing six, maybe seven photographs in that picture, which is absolutely nothing for a star college football player.

Now if they pull out photos of him sitting in a room stacked to the ceiling with Aggie memorabilia, then that's something. That photo? It might explode via social media, but it's irrelevant outside of that.

 

[tide96]

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If that is the only photo that he has, then that's not going very far. He's probably signing six, maybe seven photographs in that picture, which is absolutely nothing for a star college football player.

Now if they pull out photos of him sitting in a room stacked to the ceiling with Aggie memorabilia, then that's something. That photo? It might explode via social media, but it's irrelevant outside of that.

But isn't the point that the dealer submitted 999 signed photos at once to be authenticated? No one sits and does that for free.

 

[Craxycat]

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Stephen and Kip talked about this on First take earlier, and they brought up some really good points about how the NCAA is making tons of money off these kids by making them go through 3 years of college before going Pro. I never thought of it that way...I mean these kids (I am thinking Prothro too) give over there image etc. so the Ncaa makes bank while they might not. If they didn't go through college before joining Pro where would the college game be. Interesting to think about just cause players are making money (the NCAA isn't getting a cut of) it makes the argument they give so much less imo. That doesn't make JB any less awful in my eyes just like in Cams case, is this dude guilty of selling himself for money while other players have had to follow the letter of the law whether it is right or wrong.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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If that is the only photo that he has, then that's not going very far. He's probably signing six, maybe seven photographs in that picture, which is absolutely nothing for a star college football player.

Now if they pull out photos of him sitting in a room stacked to the ceiling with Aggie memorabilia, then that's something. That photo? It might explode via social media, but it's irrelevant outside of that.

Maybe. This is the NCAA we're talking about - the organization where less = more and more = less, but only sometimes...

 

[crimsonaudio]

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Stephen and Kip talked about this on First take earlier, and they brought up some really good points about how the NCAA is making tons of money off these kids by making them go through 3 years of college before going Pro.

Worth noting it's an NFL rule that a player has to be three years out of HS to play NFL ball, not an NCAA rule.

I totally get the argument regarding their likeness and am all for a discussion regarding the players' ability to earn money from their likeness (everyone else is), but that's a completely unrelated issue from the NFL rule.