Link: Herbstreit On Mike & Mike Talking About Changing The Rules Against The HUNH Offenses

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I'm glad that Kirk said this & I agree 100% with him..College Football has changed for the worse & is geared to give these HUNH offenses a big advantage..And it needs to be addressed before it does kill the game we all love so much..

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Here's my answer to this. Don't take it personally bro, I'm not being a wiseguy. But if you have a problem with the HUNH, tough luck. Design a strategy to contend with it or go home and wait it out on the sidelines while other teams do. That's what football is about. If I don't like Stanford and Alabama's grind it out physical play, I can cry to the league to make rules against it, or I can go out there and try to beat it (like we did in commanding fashion against both Michigan State and Stanford). That's college football, and that's why it's great. Putting in rules that handicap a particular strategy in order to benefit another is just plan weak sauce. And not very cool.
 
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Man Herbie went OFF on the HUNH - he said several times how much he hated it. I've never heard anyone so vociferous in their call for rule changes. Wow.
He's just a talking head. Therefore he is irrelevant. These issues need to be settled on the field on game day with football play alone, not punitively on the sidelines by disgruntled fans, commentators and teams that can't deal with particular strategies. The HUNH was designed to defeat teams like yours that bash and crash their opponents with large, strong defenses. Now you will have to morph and evolve in order to contend with it.
 
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There will be rule changes in the NFL. I saw a piece about Philly and their advantage with the NFL communication system . The helmet radios shut off with 15 seconds left on play clock. Philly goes so fast that they often run plays with the communication system live, which means coaches can actually tell the QB which receiver is open during the play. You can't penalize the whole league by turning the system off earlier, it would be easier to slow philly down. I think this will trickle down to the college game under a different reason. Stands to reason the game is violent , so the the more plays ran, the more hits, collisions, and thuds. The more likely it is taking a toll on the health of players.
I don't like it because it violates the spirit of the game, it's not fast break basketball. I hope my beloved Crimson tide never adopts a true HUNH.
It's funny at first he said "I'm not Nick Saban on here talking about give the defenses a break but" then he proceeds to make exact same point Saban did. :biggrin:
The above in bold is what CNS has been talking about from the start. He has said several times that he wasn't talking about resting the defenses during the game. He was talking about how the total numbers of plays per game takes a toll on players over their career. After three or four years of playing this way they have another years worth of wear and tear on their bodies.
And it also goes against the changes the NCAA made to limit practice hours to protect players.
 

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I can respect you opinion, but don't agree with it & many other folks don't as well..It's BS when refs miss as many calls as they have, cause of the pace of the game, is so fast, it makes them become out of position & they have missed a lot of calls that should have been called against these HUNH offenses..The refs should control the pace of the game, that allows them to make sure they're in position to call a game faily..The "10 Sec" rule isn't asking a lot & is a fair way to even out the game that's been heavily tilted to these offenses..College Football Refs should control the pace of the game exactly like they do in the NFL, if they did that, you wouldn't see people complaining about like we do..I don't blame you for your opinion..If we ran an offense like y'alls & was able to get away with as many missed calls I've seen Oregon & auburn both get away with, I'd prolly say leave it alone as well..I'd love it as well
He's just a talking head. Therefore he is irrelevant. These issues need to be settled on the field on game day with football play alone, not punitively on the sidelines by disgruntled fans, commentators and teams that can't deal with particular strategies. The HUNH was designed to defeat teams like yours that bash and crash their opponents with large, strong defenses. Now you will have to morph and evolve in order to contend with it.
 
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I can respect you opinion, but don't agree with it & many other folks don't as well..It's BS when refs miss as many calls as they have, cause of the pace of the game, is so fast, it makes them become out of position & they have missed a lot of calls that should have been called against these HUNH offenses..The refs should control the pace of the game, that allows them to make sure they're in position to call a game faily..The "10 Sec" rule isn't asking a lot & is a fair way to even out the game that's been heavily tilted to these offenses..College Football Refs should control the pace of the game exactly like they do in the NFL, if they did that, you wouldn't see people complaining about like we do..I don't blame you for your opinion..If we ran an offense like y'alls & was able to get away with as many missed calls I've seen Oregon & auburn both get away with, I'd prolly say leave it alone as well..I'd love it as well
I can respect what you're saying too. And it's nice to get those 12 men on the field freebies. :cool:
 

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Here's my answer to this. Don't take it personally bro, I'm not being a wiseguy. But if you have a problem with the HUNH, tough luck. Design a strategy to contend with it or go home and wait it out on the sidelines while other teams do. That's what football is about. If I don't like Stanford and Alabama's grind it out physical play, I can cry to the league to make rules against it, or I can go out there and try to beat it (like we did in commanding fashion against both Michigan State and Stanford). That's college football, and that's why it's great. Putting in rules that handicap a particular strategy in order to benefit another is just plan weak sauce. And not very cool.
The only rules I would like to see is to eliminate the "cards" teams use on the sidelines.
Use hand signals Only.

As far as the HU speed of play, the rules don't need to be changed, just followed.
The officials should be in place, ready for play then blow the whistle and then theoffense can run the play after being set for 1 second. That's the rules now. They just aren't followed.

The way it is now, the officials aren't ready and in position too many plays. They miss too many illegal shifts, formations, motions, substitutions. Linemen downfield has gotten a little more attention lately but it isn't called nearly enough.

This style of play or "strategy" is heavily dependent on these missed calls to be effective and is designed to take advantage of these missed calls.

Using your reasoning it is perfectly acceptable and cool to have an injury time-out called between every play. I mean most players suffer several contusions per game. They could take a knee and have the trainer come check it out, tell him he will be ok, then trot off the field and be back the next play.
You would probably not like that though. Because why?
The rules don't say how bad an injury needs to be in order for a timeout, do they?
 

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Using your reasoning it is perfectly acceptable and cool to have an injury time-out called between every play. I mean most players suffer several contusions per game. They could take a knee and have the trainer come check it out, tell him he will be ok, then trot off the field and be back the next play.
You would probably not like that though. Because why?
The rules don't say how bad an injury needs to be in order for a timeout, do they?
Auburn does it best:

 

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I agree with those who say that we really wouldn't worry about this as much if the officials enforced the rules already on the books. I also understand why the Oregon fan wants the HUNH to be left alone. But blind support simply because something helps you (or your team's football program, in this case) is not something that I encourage in my children.

If you are willing to accept a system that cheats purposely, then what does that say about your attitudes about cheating elsewhere? Willing to turn a blind eye when it benefits you and yours? How is that something to be encouraged?

The HUNH can be run in a way that doesn't harm the sport or the integrity of the game. That should be the goal.
 
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The HUNH can be run in a way that doesn't harm the sport or the integrity of the game. That should be the goal.
That can only be done by slowing it down so the defense and referees have time to get set and do their job. That kills its effectiveness, so I don't see how it can be ran in a way that is in the spirit of integrity.
 

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It is becoming increasingly clear that the HUNH offense is being used to create advantages over the officiating crew. Gus screaming like a three year old in the grocery store points to that.
 

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Kirk is mistaken on only one point. Pancakes are definitely better than waffles.
 

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The ten second rule would be great but is not enough. They should also stop offense linemen from crossing the line of scrimmage on any pass play. There are probably several other rules that need to be tweeked.
 

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If and when any rule changes are introduced, they need to be retroactive. Which means the Barn will have to forfeit all of their wins. :D
 

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Re: Herbstreit On Mike & Mike Talking About Changing The Rules Against The HUNH Offen

I'm glad that Kirk said this & I agree 100% with him..College Football has changed for the worse & is geared to give these HUNH offenses a big advantage..And it needs to be addressed before it does kill the game we all love so much..

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That was a good listen, & I could not agree more. Thanks for sharing!
 

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Finally someone with some credibility who is not a coach speaks up to say what we all know, HUNH is bad for everyone, but the coaches who are profiting from it. He thinks it will eventually destroy the game.
Agreed that these gimmick strategies will eventually destroy CFB. I used to watch most every game that came on television. Now that the HUNH is a constant, I don't have any interest. I will not even watch a game that features any HUNH gimmicks. I say that only to make the point that if someone like me (a complete CFB junkie for 30 years) will simply quit watching games, many many others will as well. Why would I spend hours & hours of my weekend watching gimmick after gimmick? An endless parade of gimmicks..... At some point you only win the game because you "out-gimmicked" the other guy. Ridiculous....
 

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That can only be done by slowing it down so the defense and referees have time to get set and do their job. That kills its effectiveness, so I don't see how it can be ran in a way that is in the spirit of integrity.
I disagree. The NFL allows teams to run a version of the HUNH that still doesn't allow for defensive substitutions but allows the officials to be in position on every play. It can be done quite easily within the existing rules. The officials just have to make it a priority.
 

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Here's my answer to this. Don't take it personally bro, I'm not being a wiseguy. But if you have a problem with the HUNH, tough luck. Design a strategy to contend with it or go home and wait it out on the sidelines while other teams do. That's what football is about. If I don't like Stanford and Alabama's grind it out physical play, I can cry to the league to make rules against it, or I can go out there and try to beat it (like we did in commanding fashion against both Michigan State and Stanford). That's college football, and that's why it's great. Putting in rules that handicap a particular strategy in order to benefit another is just plan weak sauce. And not very cool.

I think you are merging two separate issue here. The HUNH is not an offensive "X&Os" scheme like the read-option or spread or a "grind it out" physical running attack would be. No one has any issue whatsoever with Oregon's style (or anyone else's style) of running a spread, read-option offense. It is the gimmick of the HUNH that a majority of the teams in D1 football are now running that some fans have grown to hate. Unfortunately, Alabama has run some HUNH this year as well, & I hate it. To me, there is nothing worse than to watch two HUNH teams play each other just to see who can "out-gimmick" the other team..... I am getting to where I don't watch very many games anymore because most schools are utilizing this gimmick now. It is very common place in CFB.
 

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If the officials will not wait until everyone is ready, then at least someone on the defense should make sure his team is ready. Someone should stay on the offense side of the ball, preferably close to the ball where the offense cannot line up, as long as possible to give everyone on his team a chance to get in position.
 

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If the officials will not wait until everyone is ready, then at least someone on the defense should make sure his team is ready. Someone should stay on the offense side of the ball, preferably close to the ball where the offense cannot line up, as long as possible to give everyone on his team a chance to get in position.
Unfortunately, I think that player would just be "quick-snapped" into an offsides penalty.
 

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