Tell me about Washington

[CrimsonForce]

The problem with Browning doesn't have anything to do with his arm strength or ability to throw the ball. His problem is his lack of mobility. He will not be able to just sit back in the pocket and survey the field. That's the biggest reason why I don't give Washington much of a chance to win the game. You need a QB like Watson or a great oline just to give your offense a chance to score. If Washington had an elite offensive line I think the outcome of this game would be much closer.

I know that a Washington fan will bring up Chad Kelly or Austin Allen throwing for 400+ yards. Kelly has freakish arm talent plus he's a good enough athlete to hurt a defense with his legs. The Arkansas game was something like 42-17 and Bama just checked out of the game mentally at that point.

I've also been reading a lot about John Ross and what he might be able to do in this game. He's a good player but I can't remember the last time a 5"10 WR really gave the Bama defense a problem. Our secondary has traditionally struggled against the bigger WRs (~6'4) such as Mike Evans, Laquan Treadwell, Evan Engram, Sammie Coates, Duke Williams etc. I don't care how fast Ross is I don't see him doing a lot of damage at his stature..

 

[rgw]

I think the recruiting service game has very much become about being seen as many school camps as possible and participating in whatever event that online service sponsors to further your visibility.

If you don't play that game, you suffer. We have a young man who came in this year at tailback (Joshua Jacobs) who only had offers to Navy and FCS schools before our basketball staff caught wind of him while recruiting another player at his school. It really is a wonder how some of these more economically disadvantaged kids afford to do this stuff but I don't know how this system really works being an outsider to the process. With Josh Jacob's case, it seems like he had a young HC at his school who simply didn't know the ropes about getting his kids into camps or sending tape out to the services.

There is just a ton of things that leads to a prospect getting a "3-star default" because some name program offered him. That is why I don't even bat an eye when it happens here...the guy is probably a good one that just slipped through the cracks. There is a world of difference between taking 3-stars or less because you have to (Shula era) and because you think you ought to (Saban era).

 

[crimsonaudio]

UW fans knew it but you look at the rankings and he barely moves after setting all those records because he wasn't participating in any of the all star games . Just an example for why recruiting rankings are for entertainment not actual talent evaluations.

Well, I don't buy that, honestly. Shoot, Bama often offers at least one guy who's not even rated until Bama starts sniffing around him. The reality is there are a few that slip through the cracks each year, but a 4* ranking means he wasn't overlooked. He's not exactly built as the prototype modern drop back passer at 6'2", 185# (HS numbers). Only one drop back QB got that fifth star that year (Josh Rosen), and Browning was ranked was third best drop back passer in the class.

Recruiting rankings are an inexact science, but dismissing them as purely entertainment is silly when the teams consistently winning at a high level almost universally recruit well...

 

[Marshawn24]

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The problem with Browning doesn't have anything to do with his arm strength or ability to throw the ball. His problem is his lack of mobility. He will not be able to just sit back in the pocket and survey the field. That's the biggest reason why I don't give Washington much of a chance to win the game. You need a QB like Watson or a great oline just to give your offense a chance to score. If Washington had an elite offensive line I think the outcome of this game would be much closer.

I know that a Washington fan will bring up Chad Kelly or Austin Allen throwing for 400+ yards. Kelly has freakish arm talent plus he's a good enough athlete to hurt a defense with his legs. The Arkansas game was something like 42-17 and Bama just checked out of the game mentally at that point.

I've also been reading a lot about John Ross and what he might be able to do in this game. He's a good player but I can't remember the last time a 5"10 WR really gave the Bama defense a problem. Our secondary has traditionally struggled against the bigger WRs (~6'4) such as Mike Evans, Laquan Treadwell, Evan Engram, Sammie Coates, Duke Williams etc. I don't care how fast Ross is I don't see him doing a lot of damage at his stature..

Rewatching your game vs Texas A&M I though their small WR was open all game long but the QB couldn't get him the ball because he was running for his life.

 

[Marshawn24]

Well, I don't buy that, honestly. Shoot, Bama often offers at least one guy who's not even rated until Bama starts sniffing around him. The reality is there are a few that slip through the cracks each year, but a 4* ranking means he wasn't overlooked. He's not exactly built as the prototype modern drop back passer at 6'2", 185# (HS numbers). Only one drop back QB got that fifth star that year (Josh Rosen), and Browning was ranked was third best drop back passer in the class.

Recruiting rankings are an inexact science, but dismissing them as purely entertainment is silly when the teams consistently winning at a high level almost universally recruit well...

In the 247 composite Browning was ranked 8th overall QB and 4th in the State. If he had participated in Elite 11 camps and played in the Under Armour game no chance he's ranked that low

Another reason why they shouldn't be taken serious is the regional bias. You look at the staff on these sites and damn near 50% of these guys are based in Florida or Georgia and most of the rest are in Alabama Louisiana Texas Carolinas etc. You can see this in the crystal ball predictions as well. A player from Florida with SEC teams in his top 5 will have like 40+ predictions on where he'll end up, at the same time a player with a similar ranking from say Arizona with Pac12 teams in his top5 might have a dozen predictions.

 

[rgw]

I hate to be that guy, but frankly a great deal of the top football talent is in Florida, Georgia, and Texas.

 

[NationalTitles18]

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Rewatching your game vs Texas A&M I though their small WR was open all game long but the QB couldn't get him the ball because he was running for his life.

I can live with that.

 

[Marshawn24]

I hate to be that guy, but frankly a great deal of the top football talent is in Florida, Georgia, and Texas.

When it comes to football talent the big 3 has always been California Florida and Texas. 2nd tier is Georgia and Ohio. 3rd tier is New Jersey, Virginia, Pennsylvania and the rest of the southeast. These sites are so skewed towards Florida and Georgia its ridiculous, in relation to where the talent is Texas is extremely undercovered and California is covered even less than Texas.

 

[B1GTide]

I can live with that.

Defensive lines and secondaries compliment one another. The better each is, the better the other looks. One can make mistakes and be picked up by the other. When both are great at the same time, you have Alabama's greatness.

 

[RTR91]

So we've gone from telling us how many NFL players they have on their roster to how the recruiting services are biased, otherwise they would have more 5*s on their team?

What's next?

 

[CrimsonForce]

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Rewatching your game vs Texas A&M I though their small WR was open all game long but the QB couldn't get him the ball because he was running for his life.

It's impossible to tell if a WR was open "all game long" unless you were at the game. They don't show enough angles on TV of every play to decipher who's open. Also depends on you're definition of open. The Bama defense will generally give up short flare/swing type passes to make sure everything is covered down the field. There wasn't an aTm WR open all game behind our defense and that's my point. I'm sure Ross will make some plays but I don't see him being the kind of talent that can take over the game by himself. We've gone up against guys like that before. Everyone remembers what Manziel did to the Bama defense but the real problem was the 6'5 Mike Evans who runs like a deer. He had close to 300 yards receiving against us a few years back because Manziel was throwing up a jump ball and Evans was such a physical mismatch for our corners. Ross is a fast player but I don't anticipate Washington running the ball on the Bama defense which will allow for Bama to keep 2 high safeties. Ross may make some plays underneath but I doubt he gets anything deep..

 

[NationalTitles18]

So we've gone from telling us how many NFL players they have on their roster to how the recruiting services are biased, otherwise they would have more 5*s on their team?

What's next?

USC is a better team than when we played them? Oh....

 

[uafanataum]

So we've gone from telling us how many NFL players they have on their roster to how the recruiting services are biased, otherwise they would have more 5*s on their team?

What's next?

It's hard to say " I think Bama is a much better team with better talent, coaching, and tradition. I think we will lose" Come to think of it, I am very lucky that my mom raised me as a Bama fan. I would hate to be anyone else right now.

 

[TiderJack]

These sites are so skewed towards Florida and Georgia its ridiculous, in relation to where the talent is Texas is extremely undercovered and California is covered even less than Texas.

Seems like it may be you that is skewed. The link below clearly shows your statement is not accurate about FLA and GA. Lots of talent. The two charts below show the same thing.


http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/9/11/4718442/college-football-state-texas-california-florida

 

[rgw]

It's impossible to tell if a WR was open "all game long" unless you were at the game. They don't show enough angles on TV of every play to decipher who's open. Also depends on you're definition of open. The Bama defense will generally give up short flare/swing type passes to make sure everything is covered down the field. There wasn't an aTm WR open all game behind our defense and that's my point. I'm sure Ross will make some plays but I don't see him being the kind of talent that can take over the game by himself. We've gone up against guys like that before. Everyone remembers what Manziel did to the Bama defense but the real problem was the 6'5 Mike Evans who runs like a deer. He had close to 300 yards receiving against us a few years back because Manziel was throwing up a jump ball and Evans was such a physical mismatch for our corners. Ross is a fast player but I don't anticipate Washington running the ball on the Bama defense which will allow for Bama to keep 2 high safeties. Ross may make some plays underneath but I doubt he gets anything deep..

To your point off the top: I remember a statement from Saban in one of those SEC Network film sessions...


He said something to the effect of "we haven't lost many games by giving up the pass in the flat, ya know?" And he's obviously right...you aren't going to lose many games by making a QB be a "checkdown charlie"

 

[uafanataum]

Unsure if this is the thread to post but: Espn analyst saying this year has a record high of 20+ yard plays in Nick Saban era.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Unsure if this is the thread to post but: Espn analyst saying this year has a record high of 20+ yard plays in Nick Saban era.

I wonder if that is on offense or defense?

 

[uafanataum]

Offense

 

[Marshawn24]

Seems like it may be you that is skewed. The link below clearly shows your statement is not accurate about FLA and GA. Lots of talent. The two charts below show the same thing.


http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/9/11/4718442/college-football-state-texas-california-florida

I don't think you understood my post. I will try and restate it. Last time I looked nearly 50% of the entire staffs of the recruiting sites are covering just Florida and Georgia, your charts show how skewed that is. Its pretty hard if not impossible to consistently be ranked high these days if you don't recruit Florida and Georgia.

 

[RTR91]

I don't think you understood my post. I will try and restate it. Last time I looked nearly 50% of the entire staffs of the recruiting sites are covering just Florida and Georgia, your charts show how skewed that is. Its pretty hard if not impossible to consistently be ranked high these days if you don't recruit Florida and Georgia.

The chart that says "2014 NFL Players, Place of Birth" show how skewed recruiting services are because 50% of the writers live in a certain area?