Report: Sark to be Named Falcons OC

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Personally, I'm in favor of Daboll getting the job.

Much easier to just shout "RUN DABOLL" instead of "RUN THE BALL GODSEY (or any other possible OC hire)."
Maybe not a primary consideration, but as you point out, it does have its benefits.
 

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Question is "Does Daball bring the Patriots offensive system/style with him?" OR "Would CNS expect him to adapt to what's already in place?" OR would he simply combine the best features of both???
He was Miami Dolphins OC at one time. But I guess he would favor of playing with what is strongest. Belichick said he was going to be OC if McDaniels left for SF. So I would think it would be a homerun hire. Plus he has worked with CNS before.
 
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Question is "Does Daball bring the Patriots offensive system/style with him?" OR "Would CNS expect him to adapt to what's already in place?" OR would he simply combine the best features of both???
My guess, just like with all the OC's who have worked under Saban at Bama, he gives them leeway to work within the overall framework he has established. But, Lane Kiffin proved that Saban can be convinced to try new stuff. Under Kiffin, Saban allowed for things that I don't think he would have even batted an eye at with previous OC's. You just better bring a good case/argument for it.
 

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My guess, just like with all the OC's who have worked under Saban at Bama, he gives them leeway to work within the overall framework he has established. But, Lane Kiffin proved that Saban can be convinced to try new stuff. Under Kiffin, Saban allowed for things that I don't think he would have even batted an eye at with previous OC's. You just better bring a good case/argument for it.
Would seem that way, but Saban answered a question during a press conference about Lane opening up the offense by saying "I've been telling these guys to open it up for years." Look at Florida's offense under Mac and Nuss. It's not very open. Think it might be that Mac and Nuss were more conservative than we realized at the time.
 

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I'm just hoping whoever Coach hires also know how to develop a QB so we can complete passes downfield with a little more consistency instead of a wow moment that they caught one. It didn't seem to me that Kiffen took the time to help Jalen develop as a passer as he was such a dymanic play maker with his feet.
 

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I'm just hoping whoever Coach hires also know how to develop a QB so we can complete passes downfield with a little more consistency instead of a wow moment that they caught one. It didn't seem to me that Kiffen took the time to help Jalen develop as a passer as he was such a dymanic play maker with his feet.
To be fair, Kiffin did a fantastic job with Sims and Coker (and other QBs at other schools before he came to Alabama). A lot of people assume that the failure to further develop Hurts lies with Kiffin, and they may be right, but they might also be wrong. It is entirely possible that Kiffin did as much as was possible with Hurts last year.
 

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Would seem that way, but Saban answered a question during a press conference about Lane opening up the offense by saying "I've been telling these guys to open it up for years." Look at Florida's offense under Mac and Nuss. It's not very open. Think it might be that Mac and Nuss were more conservative than we realized at the time.
I'm not really sure how much I buy into this statement. I know he said it. I remember him saying it. But to what degree he actually meant it? I'm not sure. When he's wanted to do something offensively bad enough (like run the ball more) he's interjected himself and directly changed the play calling during games. Hard for me to believe he truly wanted to "open it up" to the degree we did under Kiffin (with the previous OC's), yet just sat back as if his hands were tied.
 

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To be fair, Kiffin did a fantastic job with Sims and Coker (and other QBs at other schools before he came to Alabama). A lot of people assume that the failure to further develop Hurts lies with Kiffin, and they may be right, but they might also be wrong. It is entirely possible that Kiffin did as much as was possible with Hurts last year.
I'll say this - Coach Hurts feels pretty strong about the situation. I'll let you guess who he blames.

The post you quoted got me thinking. What do Sims and Coker have in common? They both worked with a QB coach during the offseason. Makes me wonder some how much Lane really did with each of them in regards to developing them compared to working the offense around their skills.

I'm not really sure how much I buy into this statement. I know he said it. I remember him saying it. But to what degree he actually meant it? I'm not sure. When he's wanted to do something offensively bad enough (like run the ball more) he's interjected himself and directly changed the play calling during games. Hard for me to believe he truly wanted to "open it up" to the degree we did under Kiffin (with the previous OC's), yet just sat back as if his hands were tied.
Realizing in a game or season we need to do something is not the same as saying "we're going to do this as an offense" is it? I get what you're saying, but Mac and Nuss' current offense shows they aren't any different than they were at Bama.


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I'll say this - Coach Hurts feels pretty strong about the situation. I'll let you guess who he blames.

The post you quoted got me thinking. What do Sims and Coker have in common? They both worked with a QB coach during the offseason. Makes me wonder some how much Lane really did with each of them in regards to developing them compared to working the offense around their skills.



Realizing in a game or season we need to do something is not the same as saying "we're going to do this as an offense" is it? I get what you're saying, but Mac and Nuss' current offense shows they aren't any different than they were at Bama.


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I'd be curious to hear what Mac and Nuss had to say about Saban's claim. We both know that will never happen (at least publicly). I don't disagree that Mac and Nuss' offensive philosophy is very conservative. But what they're running at UF isn't proof that Saban wanted them to open it up to the degree he seemingly claimed. We'll never know.
 

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My guess, just like with all the OC's who have worked under Saban at Bama, he gives them leeway to work within the overall framework he has established. But, Lane Kiffin proved that Saban can be convinced to try new stuff. Under Kiffin, Saban allowed for things that I don't think he would have even batted an eye at with previous OC's. You just better bring a good case/argument for it.
I asked this question upthread, but got no responses: Is there any indication that CNS may be contemplating pulling back on the HUNH/spread approach after what happened to us in the NC game?

OR, do you guys think that the answer is just in better QB play with this approach?
 

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I asked this question upthread, but got no responses: Is there any indication that CNS may be contemplating pulling back on the HUNH/spread approach after what happened to us in the NC game?

OR, do you guys think that the answer is just in better QB play with this approach?
Moon, I have no inside but I'd say Coach is staying the course and developing his own version of the multiple offense with elements of HUNH/spread & power run/RPO to take advantage of what the D is giving up. His new coordinator will be a lesser known longer stay personality that will work within the scope of the coaching staff's philosophy and Jalen Hurts will be a better passer come August.
 

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I asked this question upthread, but got no responses: Is there any indication that CNS may be contemplating pulling back on the HUNH/spread approach after what happened to us in the NC game?

OR, do you guys think that the answer is just in better QB play with this approach?
I think JESSN indicates in the OC discussion thread (pinned at the top of Football board) that there's a "feeling" Saban wants to dial the HUNH/Spread back a notch or two. But I don't think there's been a public statement by Saban or anyone else associated with the program confirming that notion.
 

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The post you quoted got me thinking. What do Sims and Coker have in common? They both worked with a QB coach during the offseason. Makes me wonder some how much Lane really did with each of them in regards to developing them compared to working the offense around their skills. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I thought Coker's improvement as the season went on was a testament to Kiffin. I'm sure his offseason coaching helped but not sure how much that would come into play when you get into the in-season development.
 

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I thought Coker's improvement as the season went on was a testament to Kiffin. I'm sure his offseason coaching helped but not sure how much that would come into play when you get into the in-season development.
I wouldn't be surprised if JC got more attention from CLK the year before than Jalen this year. There was just so much "smoke" this year and I think it's obvious CLK lost focus near the end of the year. Ironically, this is when JH's struggles showed up the most.

Also, I would be shocked if we don't learn this summer that Jalen is working with George Whitfield or some other QB Guru to improve his passing.
 

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I think JESSN indicates in the OC discussion thread (pinned at the top of Football board) that there's a "feeling" Saban wants to dial the HUNH/Spread back a notch or two. But I don't think there's been a public statement by Saban or anyone else associated with the program confirming that notion.
Would love to see a greater balance with power running, quick outs, downfield shots and RPO's like we saw with CLK the year Blake Sims was QB. That was an exciting offense, except the last game of the year.
 

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I want to respond to several threads at the same time.

-I expect Hurts, Tua, Jones to work with their QB coaches during the spring break.
-I think for Hurts to become more of a Pro Style QB, he probably would work with AJ McCarron's QB coach.
-I think We'll see more of hybrid offense, but more focused on running the ball this year. RPO will still be there, but there will be time where we'll push the tempo and time when we'll slow down and control the clock. One of the biggest problem we had last year was that every time we went tempo, we always had false start.

- With talented receivers we have, Saban wants to feature them little more in a balanced way especially the TE and After what we did the last two years, not featuring OJ Howard like we should've... along with Ridley and Dieter and Stewart.. I can understand why he's going back to drawing board.
 

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To be fair, Kiffin did a fantastic job with Sims and Coker (and other QBs at other schools before he came to Alabama). A lot of people assume that the failure to further develop Hurts lies with Kiffin, and they may be right, but they might also be wrong. It is entirely possible that Kiffin did as much as was possible with Hurts last year.
This is my fear/concern right now. I really think Jalen needs an off season coach to put in some extra work. He has a long way to go be a good college 'passing' QB. He has every thing else you want in a starting QB intangible wise though.
 

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This is my fear/concern right now. I really think Jalen needs an off season coach to put in some extra work. He has a long way to go be a good college 'passing' QB. He has every thing else you want in a starting QB intangible wise though.
I've watched his recruiting tape and in HS he was throwing on time and accurately. While there is always the fear of a HS qb not translating into the college game, I think the main problem with Jalen last year was the speed of the game and just not having a redshirt year to get adjusted like most college qbs get.

If he does nothing but adjust to the speed of the game he'll probably get better this year without doing anything else. But if he works on film study and improves his technique and understanding of the offense, I expect he'll become a much better passer. If not, Tua or Mac better get ready.
 

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I've watched his recruiting tape and in HS he was throwing on time and accurately. While there is always the fear of a HS qb not translating into the college game, I think the main problem with Jalen last year was the speed of the game and just not having a redshirt year to get adjusted like most college qbs get.

If he does nothing but adjust to the speed of the game he'll probably get better this year without doing anything else. But if he works on film study and improves his technique and understanding of the offense, I expect he'll become a much better passer. If not, Tua or Mac better get ready.
Nailed it...
 

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