Time for Hillary Clinton and the Democrats to Move On

[GrayTide]

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hill...-dems-Have-Heard-Enough/2017/06/05/id/794118/

IMO, it is past time. It is time for the old line Democrats, the Clintons in particular, to retire and let the new DNC take over. He is 70 and she will be 70 this fall, time to hang it up politically speaking. Like all of us in the real world, at some point your time has come and gone and you have to let the younger generation inherit whatever is left. Go on, git.

 

[Intl.Aperture]

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hill...-dems-Have-Heard-Enough/2017/06/05/id/794118/

IMO, it is past time. It is time for the old line Democrats, the Clintons in particular, to retire and let the new DNC take over. He is 70 and she will be 70 this fall, time to hang it up politically speaking. Like all of us in the real world, at some point your time has come and gone and you have to let the younger generation inherit whatever is left. Go on, git.

Was watching the TODAY show a few weeks ago and they were hypothesizing about a Mark Zuckerberg run for office in 2020 based on some of his recent trips around the U.S. to meet with families and they had this political strategist in to ask her opinion and she scoffed at the notion, mocking it outright ("Let's be REAL!") and then turning on a dime and seriously offering this nugget: "Joe Biden has intimated that he would consider a run in 2020 - and he'll only be, like, a billion years old." I added the last part. This isn't so much about the viability of Zuckerberg as much as saying, if the elections are held in vacuum where Trump doesn't nuke the Right's chances, would you REALLY want to put Biden up against someone like Marco Rubio? Is there no one more fresh and energizing, no Obama-style personality, who doesn't have a track record a mile long for opponents to dig into and rip apart?

 

[IMALOYAL1]

Is there no one more fresh and energizing, no Obama-style personality, who doesn't have a track record a mile long for opponents to dig into and rip apart?

C'mon now. Are there any lifetime politicians that don't seem to have skeletons in the closet? I'm independent but have voted Democrat more than republican, though it's close.
I'm not sure POTUS is as attractive as it was. The president seems to age in dog years.

I'm counting on Hollywood to pump up some outstanding individual to take the reins again

 

[selmaborntidefan]

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hill...-dems-Have-Heard-Enough/2017/06/05/id/794118/

IMO, it is past time. It is time for the old line Democrats, the Clintons in particular, to retire and let the new DNC take over. He is 70 and she will be 70 this fall, time to hang it up politically speaking. Like all of us in the real world, at some point your time has come and gone and you have to let the younger generation inherit whatever is left. Go on, git.

Well, to be fair, it's not "really" the Democrats making this noise so much as it is the Democratic nominee from 2016, who is reinforcing everything every person with an ounce of discernment knew about her feeling of entitlement to the Oval Office. Yeah, some supporters, but I've never blamed supporters for their nonsensical rants about how elections were 'stolen' or 'hacked' since partisan non-politicians often act in preposterous ways (as do certain Montana House Republican nominees).

I recall every single election since 1980, and 'my candidate' has lost more than won.

Carter angered the Democratic establishment, who felt he conceded too early in the evening and cost them the Senate (there is not one shred of evidence supporting this idea) but then got ripped as a 'sore loser' when he looked haggard and stone-faced riding with Reagan. I'll spot Carter some grace because he was battling up to his last hour on minimal sleep trying to free the hostages, a fact that might well have contributed to his appearance.

Mondale disappeared. Dukakis was at work as governor the very next morning. One of the classiest was Bush 41, who had heard the stories about Carter and waved his arms real big like a cheerleader at the crowds. You never heard this nonsense out of Dole ("well, I would have won if...").

Even a guy who came much closer than Hillary did - her old soul mate Algore - was not this bad. He privately blamed Bill Clinton's behavior for his loss. Again, his SUPPORTERS did, just like the Bush 92 supporters keep up a myth "well if Perot" that has at best the tiniest slice of presumptive evidence in its favor.

Kerry, McCain, Romney......all lost and all went on with their lives.

But none of them felt entitled to the White House now, either - did they?

 

[CajunCrimson]

Was watching the TODAY show a few weeks ago and they were hypothesizing about a Mark Zuckerberg run for office in 2020 based on some of his recent trips around the U.S. to meet with families and they had this political strategist in to ask her opinion and she scoffed at the notion, mocking it outright ("Let's be REAL!") and then turning on a dime and seriously offering this nugget: "Joe Biden has intimated that he would consider a run in 2020 - and he'll only be, like, a billion years old." I added the last part. This isn't so much about the viability of Zuckerberg as much as saying, if the elections are held in vacuum where Trump doesn't nuke the Right's chances, would you REALLY want to put Biden up against someone like Marco Rubio? Is there no one more fresh and energizing, no Obama-style personality, who doesn't have a track record a mile long for opponents to dig into and rip apart?

Zuckerberg can't win. He's got only a 48% public approval rating -- and he's not even put his name in the ring.

They'd be better off with a Tom Hanks -- if they want to go that path.

 

[pcfixup]

The Democrats need to not only move on Hilliary but from the multi-cultural socially liberal capitalist thinking that defined the Clinton-Obama era. They need to decide whether they want to try to reconnect with working-class whites or not.

 

[CajunCrimson]

The Democrats need to not only move on Hilliary but from the multi-cultural socially liberal capitalist thinking that defined the Clinton-Obama era. They need to decide whether they want to try to reconnect with working-class whites or not.

The answer is "NOT" -- no need for them to decide. Working-class whites are not on their radar. There's nothing in it for them.

 

[jthomas666]

The Democrats have a wonderful opportunity right now, but I don't see them taking full advantage. In the unlikely event that the DNC asked my advice, I'd offer a couple of key suggestions:

1. Don't make a bid deal about Trump and his antics; he's his own worst enemy.

2. Instead, make a point of making well-considered policy proposals. Offer a bill to improve the ACA--in contrast with the GOP's repeated yet futile attempts to repeal ACA while Obama was still in office and their inept attempts to do so since.

3. Look to the future--start figuring out who the next generation of leaders and candidates are.

 

[chanson78]

The Democrats have a wonderful opportunity right now, but I don't see them taking full advantage. In the unlikely event that the DNC asked my advice, I'd offer a couple of key suggestions:

1. Don't make a bid deal about Trump and his antics; he's his own worst enemy.

2. Instead, make a point of making well-considered policy proposals. Offer a bill to improve the ACA--in contrast with the GOP's repeated yet futile attempts to repeal ACA while Obama was still in office and their inept attempts to do so since.

3. Look to the future--start figuring out who the next generation of leaders and candidates are.

They can't/won't. The same type of old, powerful, wealthy, and entrenched power brokers that think their brand of America is the best America are running the Democratic party that are running the Republican party. Perez to DNC head proved that. They are ignoring the populist undercurrents that are running through the heartland thinking that they can continue to use shame and guilt to make people vote for party over self interest.

Not to mention that DJT has been the single best fundraiser for the DNC in at least the last 20 years. What makes you think they really care enough to do anything meaningful except to try and ride the tide of crankiness into power? Odds are from the HRC campaign the only lesson they learned is that they shouldn't use email any more.

Edit:
They know its easier to be the party that isn't DJT than it is to be the party that is "for" something. Look at history. So many people hated HRC and BHO that they voted for Trump because he wasn't either of them.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

They can't/won't. The same type of old, powerful, wealthy, and entrenched power brokers that think their brand of America is the best America are running the Democratic party that are running the Republican party. Perez to DNC head proved that. They are ignoring the populist undercurrents that are running through the heartland thinking that they can continue to use shame and guilt to make people vote for party over self interest.

It's not just the same type of people, it's the same people running both parties. Nothing will change dramatically one way or another, but it's just this slow erosion...kind of like the frog in a very slow warming pot of water.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The Democrats have a wonderful opportunity right now, but I don't see them taking full advantage. In the unlikely event that the DNC asked my advice, I'd offer a couple of key suggestions:

1. Don't make a bid deal about Trump and his antics; he's his own worst enemy.

I couldn't have said this better myself except maybe said "big" rather than "bid" (although I can see it both ways).

2. Instead, make a point of making well-considered policy proposals. Offer a bill to improve the ACA--in contrast with the GOP's repeated yet futile attempts to repeal ACA while Obama was still in office and their inept attempts to do so since.

And it can be vague. Sure, your plan is to raise taxes on everyone but just something pointing in a direction is true.

3. Look to the future--start figuring out who the next generation of leaders and candidates are.

The irony is that this is exactly how they got Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Clinton was considered a future Pres candidate from the moment he got elected in 1978. It used to be that the Democratic front-runner LOST the nomination more often than not. They've become like the GOP used to be ("And Eisenhower begat Nixon and Nixon begat Ford and Ford begat Reagan and Reagan begat Bush....")

I also think the larger bloc needs to drop its obsession with gun control (I think the same about the GOP with abortion). They're never going to round up 300 million firearms and Roe v Wade isn't going anywhere.

Good post.

 

[Bama Reb]

Zuckerberg can't win. He's got only a 48% public approval rating -- and he's not even put his name in the ring.

They'd be better off with a Tom Hanks -- if they want to go that path.

A rich non-politician run for president and win? Never happen!

 

[pcfixup]

I also think the larger bloc needs to drop its obsession with gun control (I think the same about the GOP with abortion). They're never going to round up 300 million firearms and Roe v Wade isn't going anywhere.

Good post.

The dems are more obsessed with abortion now.

 

[pcfixup]

The answer is "NOT" -- no need for them to decide. Working-class whites are not on their radar. There's nothing in it for them.

Then they will have to hunker down, hope the GOP cannot change the constitution, and wait until whites become a minority.

 

[CrimsonTheory]

I will say it now, there is a reason why she is keeping her name in the news. She is planning on make another run at the White House in 2020. She is addicted to becoming the first female president in history or die trying. If this is the case then she will become (if she isn't already) a punch line.

Hilary really does need to retire. She doesn't have too many years left on this planet, so she needs to go enjoy her family, especially her grand kids while she can.

 

[81usaf92]

The Democrats have a wonderful opportunity right now, but I don't see them taking full advantage. In the unlikely event that the DNC asked my advice, I'd offer a couple of key suggestions:

1. Don't make a bid deal about Trump and his antics; he's his own worst enemy.

2. Instead, make a point of making well-considered policy proposals. Offer a bill to improve the ACA--in contrast with the GOP's repeated yet futile attempts to repeal ACA while Obama was still in office and their inept attempts to do so since.

3. Look to the future--start figuring out who the next generation of leaders and candidates are.

This is why I keep saying they really need to stop fighting every little battle with Trump. The us vs them debate is a huge reason Trump won in the first place. Breaking that silent Tory vote should be the Democrats chief goal these next 4 years, and looking like sore losers and out of control sjws is not going to make life easier come 2020. Trump is his own worst enemy, but giving his voting base an enemy is not a wise move.

 

[81usaf92]

They can't/won't. The same type of old, powerful, wealthy, and entrenched power brokers that think their brand of America is the best America are running the Democratic party that are running the Republican party. Perez to DNC head proved that. They are ignoring the populist undercurrents that are running through the heartland thinking that they can continue to use shame and guilt to make people vote for party over self interest.

Not to mention that DJT has been the single best fundraiser for the DNC in at least the last 20 years. What makes you think they really care enough to do anything meaningful except to try and ride the tide of crankiness into power? Odds are from the HRC campaign the only lesson they learned is that they shouldn't use email any more.

Edit:
They know its easier to be the party that isn't DJT than it is to be the party that is "for" something. Look at history. So many people hated HRC and BHO that they voted for Trump because he wasn't either of them.

I don't know if Ellison was a much better choice than Perez. He is probably a much worse choice. I think what people miss is who votes and who doesn't. you are banking on young voters to come out to negate the older voters. Ellison is a Nation of Islam member that is on the Bernie side of the Democratic Party. I think we would have a record number of older conservatives showing up in the voting booths.

 

[Bamaro]

I will say it now, there is a reason why she is keeping her name in the news. She is planning on make another run at the White House in 2020. She is addicted to becoming the first female president in history or die trying. If this is the case then she will become (if she isn't already) a punch line.

Hilary really does need to retire. She doesn't have too many years left on this planet, so she needs to go enjoy her family, especially her grand kids while she can.

Maybe so but its hard to keep quiet when you see what a train wreck we have in the white house.

 

[chanson78]

I don't know if Ellison was a much better choice than Perez. He is probably a much worse choice. I think what people miss is who votes and who doesn't. you are banking on young voters to come out to negate the older voters. Ellison is a Nation of Islam member that is on the Bernie side of the Democratic Party. I think we would have a record number of older conservatives showing up in the voting booths.

Agreed. Just because I think Perez is the status quo, doesn't mean I automatically think Ellison is a better option. Democrats need to get younger in general. Make intelligent arguments about things that matter to the younger generations. When you have politicians talking about net neutrality and its impact on "the youtubes" it isn't a large leap to realize that they will quickly disconnect.

 

[Bama Reb]

Then they will have to hunker down, hope the GOP cannot change the constitution, and wait until whites become a minority.

At which time the bottle-neck will have been passed and it's full throttle towards the total demise of this nation. In less than a generation, the majority of major cities in this country will resemble Detroit, as there will be little done in the way of building and improvements.
The tax base for the country will diminish further as there will be more money going out than what will be going into the government coffers.
Additionally, the Snowflake generation will then be in power, and with their complete lack of vision and motivation, no one will care one way or the other about what goes on around them. It will be the perfect opportunity for nations such as Russia or China to simply walk in and take over.