QB Competition 2018

[mlh]

Those charts illustrate why the receivers all seem to get jazzed when Tua comes on the field.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

Let me recap so far in this thread:
Hurts can't throw, and runs too much.
Hurts not completing passes and distributing the ball to playmakers and need to be benched.
Tua is way better than Jalen and youtube video proved that.
Tua will play.
Tua will not play.
Hurts will be benched.
Hurts will not be benched.
Hurts miss open receivers.
Tua is turnover prone.

Am I right so far?

I guess this means that neither should take a snap and we run the Wildcat instead.:biggrin:

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Then we're in trouble...

If you look at the game tapes for this season.. most of the time his eyes were on Ridley... how is that Ridley has 55 catches and yet rest of the receivers has less than 14 catches? how is that Bo is behind Ridley with 14 catches? How is that Last year, the receivers, Stewart, Howard and Ridley had over 45 catches but this year.... That leads to a theory, which suggests that Hurts is being told to target Ridley often. Now, if you look at Kiffin's offense and having to switch to Daboll's system and you have to account for Daboll lack of experience calling plays on a college level... Because of that, my theory is that Daboll/Saban is telling Hurts to make 1 or 2 reads before take off. They're making Ridley primary read for almost all of the play. I think they were trying to make up to Ridley from last year. We've spent lot of time complaining about Hurts and his lack of progressions in some area. WE have to stop and think about Daboll development and how he developed Hurts. There's a good chance that this one is on Saban/Daboll and how they approached the playcalling this year. I think it took a loss for Saban/Daboll to realize that it wasn't working and they need to make adjustments, which they should've made after the Colorado State game. `

 

[Moro Creek]

If you look at the game tapes for this season.. most of the time his eyes were on Ridley... how is that Ridley has 55 catches and yet rest of the receivers has less than 14 catches? how is that Bo is behind Ridley with 14 catches? How is that Last year, the receivers, Stewart, Howard and Ridley had over 45 catches but this year.... That leads to a theory, which suggests that Hurts is being told to target Ridley often. Now, if you look at Kiffin's offense and having to switch to Daboll's system and you have to account for Daboll lack of experience calling plays on a college level... Because of that, my theory is that Daboll/Saban is telling Hurts to make 1 or 2 reads before take off. They're making Ridley primary read for almost all of the play. I think they were trying to make up to Ridley from last year. We've spent lot of time complaining about Hurts and his lack of progressions in some area. WE have to stop and think about Daboll development and how he developed Hurts. There's a good chance that this one is on Saban/Daboll and how they approached the playcalling this year. I think it took a loss for Saban/Daboll to realize that it wasn't working and they need to make adjustments, which they should've made after the Colorado State game. `

Is this a conspiracy theory?

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Take a look at last year's stats for receiving corps:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/333/year/2016


What's the difference between last year and this year? We have lot of freshmen receivers who's receiving more playing time, and they are the one who get jazzed up when Tua comes on the field.

I know I'm beating this to death, but my point is that we need to start looking at this from different perspective and consider the possibilities that it may not always be Hurts/Tua thing.. but rather from the coaching perspective and how they handled this.

I have a feeling we'll see a different Jalen in the playoff.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Is this a conspiracy theory?

No, if it was, then everyone's post in this thread would be considered conspiracy theory.

 

[RTR91]

If you look at the game tapes for this season.. most of the time his eyes were on Ridley... how is that Ridley has 55 catches and yet rest of the receivers has less than 14 catches? how is that Bo is behind Ridley with 14 catches? How is that Last year, the receivers, Stewart, Howard and Ridley had over 45 catches but this year.... That leads to a theory, which suggests that Hurts is being told to target Ridley often. Now, if you look at Kiffin's offense and having to switch to Daboll's system and you have to account for Daboll lack of experience calling plays on a college level... Because of that, my theory is that Daboll/Saban is telling Hurts to make 1 or 2 reads before take off. They're making Ridley primary read for almost all of the play. I think they were trying to make up to Ridley from last year. We've spent lot of time complaining about Hurts and his lack of progressions in some area. WE have to stop and think about Daboll development and how he developed Hurts. There's a good chance that this one is on Saban/Daboll and how they approached the playcalling this year. I think it took a loss for Saban/Daboll to realize that it wasn't working and they need to make adjustments, which they should've made after the Colorado State game. `

Whew... That's some more theory you have.

The discrepancy in catches could be the team had 265 completions in 2016 (17.7 per game) compared to 171 in 2017 (14.3 per game). Also, 417 passing attempts in 2016 (27.8 per game) compared to only 276 thus far in 2017 (23 per game). Meanwhile, the team has 23 passing touchdowns this year compared to 26 in 2016.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Whew... That's some more theory you have.

The discrepancy in catches could be the team had 265 completions in 2016 (17.7 per game) compared to 171 in 2017 (14.3 per game). Also, 417 passing attempts in 2016 (27.8 per game) compared to only 276 thus far in 2017 (23 per game). Meanwhile, the team has 23 passing touchdowns this year compared to 26 in 2016.

Is it because we're scoring better than we did last year? We've been able to start fast a lot this year compared to last year.

 

[mlh]

Take a look at last year's stats for receiving corps:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/333/year/2016


What's the difference between last year and this year? We have lot of freshmen receivers who's receiving more playing time, and they are the one who get jazzed up when Tua comes on the field.

I know I'm beating this to death, but my point is that we need to start looking at this from different perspective and consider the possibilities that it may not always be Hurts/Tua thing.. but rather from the coaching perspective and how they handled this.

I have a feeling we'll see a different Jalen in the playoff.

Good points. New OC. Young receivers who are still learning how to run routes. We also lost our starting TE early in the season. Lots of reasons why this year's stats are different than last year's. And I hope you're right. We need to see a different Jalen in the playoff.

 

[dvldog]

All those jet sweeps added up last year re: attempts and completions. Not so many this year.

 

[Con]

Those charts illustrate why the receivers all seem to get jazzed when Tua comes on the field.

I like me some Jalen Hurts, but I also like when Tua comes in because I know I will get to see some of these young guys get the ball thrown to them. Ya'll are bringing up some good points in this thread. Keep em coming.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Good points. New OC. Young receivers who are still learning how to run routes. We also lost our starting TE early in the season. Lots of reasons why this year's stats are different than last year's. And I hope you're right. We need to see a different Jalen in the playoff.

Exactly. Look at Matt Canada of LSU. It took him a while to figure out some things this year.

 

[Moro Creek]

I'm really enjoying this thread. Lots of different opinions and theories. I'm like you Con, keep 'em coming.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

If you look at the game tapes for this season.. most of the time his eyes were on Ridley... how is that Ridley has 55 catches and yet rest of the receivers has less than 14 catches? how is that Bo is behind Ridley with 14 catches? How is that Last year, the receivers, Stewart, Howard and Ridley had over 45 catches but this year.... That leads to a theory, which suggests that Hurts is being told to target Ridley often. Now, if you look at Kiffin's offense and having to switch to Daboll's system and you have to account for Daboll lack of experience calling plays on a college level... Because of that, my theory is that Daboll/Saban is telling Hurts to make 1 or 2 reads before take off. They're making Ridley primary read for almost all of the play. I think they were trying to make up to Ridley from last year. We've spent lot of time complaining about Hurts and his lack of progressions in some area. WE have to stop and think about Daboll development and how he developed Hurts. There's a good chance that this one is on Saban/Daboll and how they approached the playcalling this year. I think it took a loss for Saban/Daboll to realize that it wasn't working and they need to make adjustments, which they should've made after the Colorado State game. `

I've never thought it was all Hurts' fault. I just know I don't want to see a repeat of the AU game tactics...

 

[BamaMoon]

Hurts is at the top and Tua is at the bottom. Once again, the stats can be misleading due to several factors. It would be nice if we filter out the information and only use the players that both qbs target and we can see the percentage better. For example, Bo Scarbough is targeted 10 percent under Hurts, but under Tua.. Bo hasn't caught a pass from Tua. For all we know, Hurts could be told to target Ridley and if he's not open, run the ball whereas Tua has more options since they might trust him more. Just throwing that out there.

The "stats can be misleading" line is getting comical if that is the answer to this pie chart.

If you look at the game tapes for this season.. most of the time his eyes were on Ridley... how is that Ridley has 55 catches and yet rest of the receivers has less than 14 catches? how is that Bo is behind Ridley with 14 catches? How is that Last year, the receivers, Stewart, Howard and Ridley had over 45 catches but this year.... That leads to a theory, which suggests that Hurts is being told to target Ridley often. Now, if you look at Kiffin's offense and having to switch to Daboll's system and you have to account for Daboll lack of experience calling plays on a college level... Because of that, my theory is that Daboll/Saban is telling Hurts to make 1 or 2 reads before take off. They're making Ridley primary read for almost all of the play. I think they were trying to make up to Ridley from last year. We've spent lot of time complaining about Hurts and his lack of progressions in some area. WE have to stop and think about Daboll development and how he developed Hurts. There's a good chance that this one is on Saban/Daboll and how they approached the playcalling this year. I think it took a loss for Saban/Daboll to realize that it wasn't working and they need to make adjustments, which they should've made after the Colorado State game. `

That's the plan for passing? Look to Ridley and if he's not open run it? Oh, and CNS is really into "making up" with players. This just doesn't make sense because Ridley is the one getting targeted the most, but if you watch his "body language" he's the receiver who is most visibly upset during games. Why would he be upset if Hurts targets him first??? Could it be that he knows all the defense has to do is double team him and the offense grinds to a halt except with what Jalen can pick up with his feet?

 

[JustNeedMe81]

I've never thought it was all Hurts' fault. I just know I don't want to see a repeat of the AU game tactics...

I agree Earle, and I never want to see that kind of performance again as well.

 

[BamaMoon]

You actually think it's silly for Hurts to do 1 read and run? I mentioned that several time throughout the season. It's cool, do you brah... I'm behind that theory 100 percent and If I'm wrong, I will personally apologize.

If that was truly the coaches plan because they thought that was the best way for us to win, no I don't guess it would be silly.

But if that's the plan, as you say it's been all year long, why the elaborate route trees for the other receivers and why would Jalen take so long to run at times? If he's just reading Ridley, that should be pretty fast and he should be running real quickly, but that's not how these frustrating plays usually unfold.

When Jalen drops back in the pocket, if the OL gives him time, very often he holds the ball for several seconds as if he's trying to scan the field. Too often, though, he eventually tries to scramble, run out of bounds or does one of those throw aways out of bounds.

Your theory doesn't match what we are seeing on the field.

 

[derek4tide]

Those charts illustrate why the receivers all seem to get jazzed when Tua comes on the field.

Bingo

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Please read my Admin Note stuck above before continuing this discussion...

 

[BamaMoon]

You actually think it's silly for Hurts to do 1 read and run? I mentioned that several time throughout the season. It's cool, do you brah... I'm behind that theory 100 percent and If I'm wrong, I will personally apologize.

It's interesting you mention the "one read" idea. I must have missed you mentioning it at other times. But I've been thinking about this some recently.

I disagree that this has been the plan all year with Hurts, but I really believe for him to be successful in the playoffs this probably needs to be the plan for passing downs. Of course, the first part of this involves using our running backs more effectively, but on passing downs having a game plan that creates matchups that are winnable and not always directed at Ridley. Lots more one read slants, curls. drags across the middle...plays like that. Even creating space for Jalen to run if the first read isn't available by clearing out the other receivers on one side of the field to give Jalen a better chance to scramble successfully.

I do think this specific plan would probably best utilize what seems to be Jalen overall strengths. I don't necessarily like it for the long range as for as future offensive philosophy, but unless the staff undergoes wholesale change and just plays Tua, I feel like this is the type of game plan that will be most successful. Running the ball and getting in short, manageable 3rd downs and Jalen having one read (which is basically no read) and getting the ball out fast (and hopefully accurately).