All-time Sagarin ratings

[saturdaysarebet]

The latest I could find of Sagarin's all-time ratings for college football teams was up until 2012.

https://www.huskermax.com/rating.html

Is there a more recent one? And if some of the recent Alabama's teams have been ranked? And what are your thoughts on the list?

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]All-time Sagarin ratings [/FONT]1956-2012
		Year	W-L-T	AP	Sagarin*
1.	NEBRASKA	1995	12-0-0	1	117.05
2.	NEBRASKA	1971	13-0-0	1	116.47
3.	Mississippi	1959	10-1-0	2	109.74
4.	Oklahoma	1971	11-1-0	2	109.68
5.	Ohio State	1973	10-0-1	2	109.51
6.	Washington	1991	12-0-0	2	109.47
7.	Oklahoma	1973	10-0-1	3	109.40
8.	Miami, Fla.	2001	12-0-0	1	108.70
9.	Oklahoma	1974	11-0-0	1	108.19
10.	Southern Cal	1972	12-0-0	1	107.66
11.	NEBRASKA	1972	9-2-1	4	106.96
12.	Oklahoma	1972	11-1-0	2	106.50
13.	Florida St.	1987	11-1-0	2	106.44
14.	Oklahoma	1986	11-1-0	3	106.33
15.	Notre Dame	1966	9-0-1	1	106.32
16.	Notre Dame	1970	10-1-0	2	106.09
17.	Texas	2005	13-0-0	1	106.03
18.	Penn State	1994	12-0-0	2	105.82
19.	Florida State	1993	12-1-0	1	105.28
20.	NEBRASKA	1997	13-0-0	2	104.99
21.	Alabama	1971	11-1-0	4	104.61
22.	Miami, Fla.	1988	11-1-0	2	104.33
23.	Texas	1970	10-1-0	3	104.22
24.	Syracuse	1959	11-0-0	1	104.13
25.	Notre Dame	1988	12-0-0	1	103.86
26.	Miami, Fla.	1987	12-0-0	1	103.79
27.	NEBRASKA	1970	11-0-1	1	103.58

 

[CajunCrimson]

So, Alabama's 1971 team was better than 61, 64, 66, 73, 77, 78, 79, 92, 09, 11, 12?

 

[Elefantman]

What??? No UCF team???

 

[ccc2259]

My how Nebraska has fallen.............and that 1959 Ole Miss team is a shocker to me.

 

[cuda.1973]

WHAT? Our only ranked team is the one that got demolished by Nebraska?

Well, they really were a good team, but...................

 

[crimsonaudio]

2012: Alabama 101.75
2013: FSU 100.53
2014: OSU 99.10
2015: Alabama 98.48
2016: Clemson 100.78
2017: Alabama 99.89
2018 (so far): Alabama 102.37

 

[TiderJack]

2012: Alabama 101.75
2013: FSU 100.53
2014: OSU 99.10
2015: Alabama 98.48
2016: Clemson 100.78
2017: Alabama 99.89
2018 (so far): Alabama 102.37

I thought I had a little respect for Sagarin but after what you just posted I do not. Crazy to think this year's team is not in the top 27 and many of our others.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I thought I had a little respect for Sagarin but after what you just posted I do not. Crazy to think this year's team is not in the top 27 and many of our others.

This year is incomplete - assuming Bama wins the remaining games that 2018 number will climb rather dramatically.

 

[BamaInBham]

The list could hardly be more bogus. For example, Bama's '71 team is not even top 10 of all time Bama teams since 1956. Probably barely top 15 or 20.

 

[Nolan]

This year is incomplete - assuming Bama wins the remaining games that 2018 number will climb rather dramatically.

Agreed. Sagarin takes score into account pretty heavily so if we win out, go 15-0, and continue to maintain 3-4 TD margins of victory I could see us finishing Top 10.

 

[B1GTide]

Agreed. Sagarin takes score into account pretty heavily so if we win out, go 15-0, and continue to maintain 3-4 TD margins of victory I could see us finishing Top 10.

If this team doesn't finish #1 after going 15-0 then it invalidates the entire thing.

 

[Bazza]

What the heck kind of thread is this? :rolleye2:

 

[UntouchableCrew]

How the heck is a team that lost two games and tied another ranked #11?

 

[BamaNation]

 

[crimsonaudio]

How the heck is a team that lost two games and tied another ranked #11?

To be fair, I don't think Sagarin's system is meant to compare teams outside of that season - the entire system works based on what happened that season. IOW, a team that scores super-high in a particular season doesn't necessarily mean that team is better than a team from another season with a lower score, it just means that in that season they dominated the competition more than another team did (which could very well indicate an easier overall slate of games).

 

[B1GTide]

To be fair, I don't think Sagarin's system is meant to compare teams outside of that season - the entire system works based on what happened that season. IOW, a team that scores super-high in a particular season doesn't necessarily mean that team is better than a team from another season with a lower score, it just means that in that season they dominated the competition more than another team did (which could very well indicate an easier overall slate of games).

I agree, but that also led to my statement. This Alabama team has dominated every team it has played in a way unprecedented in the sport. Every win thus far by 24+ points - that has never been done before this far into a season.

 

[Nolan]

If this team doesn't finish #1 after going 15-0 then it invalidates the entire thing.

I think they should be, as that has never been done.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I agree, but that also led to my statement. This Alabama team has dominated every team it has played in a way unprecedented in the sport. Every win thus far by 24+ points - that has never been done before this far into a season.

Well, 1995 Nebraska scored 53.2 per game while only allowing 14.5 per game - their average margin of victory was 38.6 points. The 2018 Bama team is currently scores 48.7 per gamed allows 13.1 per game, yielding and average margin of victory of 35.6.

Let's not gloss over the fact that the 95 Nebraska squad was absolutely amazing. Granted, it wasn't the toughest schedule ever, but they resoundingly beat four top 10 teams:
#8 Kansas St - 49-25
#7 Colorado - 44-21
#10 Kansas - 41-3
#2 Florida - 62-24
AVG - 49-18

Bama has to continue winning at the same rate they have to be in t conversation, IMO. This is an amazing team, but those that watched that 95 Nebraska team still remember the domination.

 

[B1GTide]

Well, 1995 Nebraska scored 53.2 per game while only allowing 14.5 per game - their average margin of victory was 38.6 points. The 2018 Bama team is currently scores 48.7 per gamed allows 13.1 per game, yielding and average margin of victory of 35.6.

Let's not gloss over the fact that the 95 Nebraska squad was absolutely amazing. Granted, it wasn't the toughest schedule ever, but they resoundingly beat four top 10 teams:
#8 Kansas St - 49-25
#7 Colorado - 44-21
#10 Kansas - 41-3
#2 Florida - 62-24
AVG - 49-18

Bama has to continue winning at the same rate they have to be in t conversation, IMO. This is an amazing team, but those that watched that 95 Nebraska team still remember the domination.

I remember it well. It is no shame to come in second to that team, if second it must be. But 15-0 with #18 would be a great consolation prize.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

If Sagarin's formula puts a lot of weight on margin of victory then I think the current Bama team could have matched Nebraska if Saban would have wanted to. I can't prove that Saban shows more mercy on his opponents than Osbourne did but it's possible. I don't know how long Osborne let Tommie Frazier play in those games but probably more time than Tua has played. Teams had more depth back then because of more scholarships so the 2nd string may have been almost as good as the 1st string but I think if we compare just the starters of 2018 Bama against the starters of 1995 Nebraska they might be close.