BREAKING Sec additions–Texas, Oklahoma inquire about joining SEC per report

[bamadwain]

I saw this reported and I have no idea what kind of crack is making people come up with this number. That's 256 million MORE PER YEAR! That's more than Texas' entire athletic department brings in annually, there's no kinda way this brings that kind of money.

The only way that anything like that is in the realm of possiblity if is it's entirely off of just renegotiating contracts. In which case, the SEC could add anyone and do that really. There's no kind of world where Texas and Oklahoma bring in 256 million more per year to the conference, that's nonsense.

Not only that, but unless the SEC made an absolutely horrible deal with ESPN, the latest deal should have already put them well past that 44 million number. Those are 2019 numbers, before the latest ESPN deal (which is supposed to be massive) was signed.

Thats your opinion like mine

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I'm a little surprised at this thread, at how many seem to be against this idea.

If you go find some of the past playoff expansion threads, so many (including me) around here want the power five to break away and kill the NCAA. Yet so many in this thread do not have a desire for the SEC to expand. Well, you can't have it both ways. You need those conferences to create a few super conferences and kick the NCAA to the curb.

If this is the beginning of the end for the NCAA, I say bring it on, fast! Someone early in the thread showed that the SEC would have 14 of the top 25 all-time programs. 14! The SEC would basically be college football, everyone else would have to settle for the crumbs that fall from Hoover.

 

[KrAzY3]

Thats your opinion like mine

The numbers are not my opinion. The 2019 revenue numbers were actually 45 million! That's more than 44.

Southeastern Conference generated $721 million in revenue for 2019 fiscal year

The 2019 fiscal year for the Southeastern Conference was a lucrative one. The league announced it generated $720.6 million in revenue.

www.usatoday.com

The ESPN deal was signed in 2020. Reportedly an increase of right around 250 million. Guess what? That means when it goes into effect that puts SEC teams right around 60 million.

Are people really going around pretending that the upcoming 60 million per year has anything to do with Oklahoma and Texas? That would be pretty sneaky, just be like hey we added Texas and Oklahoma and now we're paying 60 million per year. Let's hope no one realized that was a deal we signed in 2020...

So, supposedly the massive t1 rights deal just signed with ESPN is only worth as much as Texas and Oklahoma? Yeah... that math doesn't add up.

 

[bamadwain]

The numbers are not my opinion. The 2019 revenue numbers were actually 45 million! That's more than 44.

Southeastern Conference generated $721 million in revenue for 2019 fiscal year

The 2019 fiscal year for the Southeastern Conference was a lucrative one. The league announced it generated $720.6 million in revenue.

www.usatoday.com

The ESPN deal was signed in 2020. Reportedly an increase of right around 250 million. Guess what? That means when it goes into effect that puts SEC teams right around 60 million.

Are people really going around pretending that the upcoming 60 million per year has anything to do with Oklahoma and Texas? That would be pretty sneaky, just be like hey we added Texas and Oklahoma and now we're paying 60 million per year. Let's hope no one realized that was a deal we signed in 2020...

So, supposedly the massive t1 rights deal just signed with ESPN is only worth as much as Texas and Oklahoma? Yeah... that math doesn't add up.

Sorry I was off a million ! And no i don't think that's why the tv deal was signed but with all this stuff about nil and such(i know it's not tied to revenue ( this a money game and money controls everything individuals, corporations, college and pro sports im just saying these college universities are headed to super conferences and it's because of money and when they do it will be astronomical

 

[crimsonaudio]

If you go find some of the past playoff expansion threads, so many (including me) around here want the power five to break away and kill the NCAA. Yet so many in this thread do not have a desire for the SEC to expand.

I don't think it's an innate desire to avoid expansion, it's adding a well-known carcinogenic to the mix. Many of us would rather see the SEC bring on FSU, Miami, Clemson, etc - real southern teams that don't have the horrible history Texas has.

 

[BamaInBham]

This needs to be put in relative terms.

If looked at in isolation, the SEC could technically stand to gain something by adding Colorado. I mean people in Colorado watch football sometimes right? So more people sometimes watching football! So why not add them? I can give you a list of reasons why not...

Someone did the math and says basically that the SEC needs to add roughly 7 million in population per addition to keep with current payouts. I already explained this somewhat, but the SEC Network's payouts rates don't actually go up due to the addition of Texas, and Texas A&M already made the SECN a part of a lot of sports packages. It isn't that you don't gain anything, you gain a lot less than you would.

Basically A&M is most of the good with Texas without most the bad. Now it's redundant. Why not just add FSU? Why not add Georgia Tech? Let's double down in every state that the SEC isn't already doubled down in!

There are simply better targets out there. This is an ego driven move.

I don't know the details of the TV contracts, so I can't refute your argument but common sense says that it's not simply that a program resides in a particular state, but how many eyeballs are interested from that state. I mentioned the Bama/AU comparison - IMO, there is no way that Alabama does not add to the value of a TV contract when that conf already has AU. This is analogous to UTx and A&M.

There may be better targets, but IMO, UTx should add significant value to any TV deal. I would like to see in black and white where that is not true. (I'm even willing to read a long post .)

(Trying to save you some work: I realize that when cable was predominant that having reach within a state's border had great meaning, but I'm guessing that has changed. Also, I realize that existing contracts may preclude immediate benefit. I'm just guessing that in general that interested eyes are far more meaningful than just living eyes . E.g., you can have the state of NY but how many are interested in college ball other than ND? Not many. Surely, TV execs and sponsors have more sense now.)

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I don't think it's an innate desire to avoid expansion, it's adding a well-known carcinogenic to the mix. Many of us would rather see the SEC bring on FSU, Miami, Clemson, etc - real southern teams that don't have the horrible history Texas has.

This. I don't have an issue with expansion, but I have a big issue with texas.

 

[BamaInBham]

I don't think it's an innate desire to avoid expansion, it's adding a well-known carcinogenic to the mix. Many of us would rather see the SEC bring on FSU, Miami, Clemson, etc - real southern teams that don't have the horrible history Texas has.

I don't think I really want UTx and OU but as I expressed in a previous post, IMO, while UTx will still be arrogant and may be annoying, they will not have the clout they had in their previous affiliations. They could always threaten to leave and everyone else would get in line. In the SEC they would be told to hit the road. They would have 5 other equals (Bama, OU, LSU, UF, UGA and others like A&M, UTn, AU) or betters as far as football is concerned who would not care if they took their ball and went home. They would also be the new kid allowed in a conf far superior to the one from which they came. They would not be allowed to foul things up - the SEC might just kick them out if they really got out of line, which I doubt they would.

 

[KrAzY3]

This is a pretty telling article about expansion:

Ex-A&M prez: 'Agreement' should nix expansion

Former Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin says there is a "gentlemen's agreement" between SEC schools giving members "absolute veto power" over addition of another school from their state.

www.espn.com

If the SEC does add Texas they are breaking a ""gentlemen's agreemen" and basically going back on their word. Not a good way to add a team that's know for causing problems.

This was also said: ""Loftin said most expansion discussion centered on schools such as North Carolina, NC State, Virginia or Virginia Tech, all schools in states with no SEC members."

So, the SEC knew who they needed to add, knew they couldn't add Texas and somehow we're still talking about a move that barely changes the SEC's geographical footprint...

 

[TideEngineer08]

Yeah A&M is attempting to torpedo this.

Again not that I blame them.

 

[TideEngineer08]

LOL, Mizzou OL Case Cook:

“if you can’t handle the horns down gesture, it’ll be tough to play in this league”

That’s the best Mizzou moment since they joined the league.

 

[Crimson1967]

This is a pretty telling article about expansion:

Ex-A&M prez: 'Agreement' should nix expansion

Former Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin says there is a "gentlemen's agreement" between SEC schools giving members "absolute veto power" over addition of another school from their state.

www.espn.com

If the SEC does add Texas they are breaking a ""gentlemen's agreemen" and basically going back on their word. Not a good way to add a team that's know for causing problems.

This was also said: ""Loftin said most expansion discussion centered on schools such as North Carolina, NC State, Virginia or Virginia Tech, all schools in states with no SEC members."

So, the SEC knew who they needed to add, knew they couldn't add Texas and somehow we're still talking about a move that barely changes the SEC's geographical footprint...

Watch out. If Texas joins USA could be next.

 

[BamaMoon]

Yeah A&M is attempting to torpedo this.

Again not that I blame them.

From a fan's perspective, I can tell you most A&M folks will be against this. I've never thought the hate was like Alabama/Auburn, but it's definitely there. Old money UT guys look at Aggies like they are new money and roll their eyes. In football terms, TAMU culture is much more like Auburn.

They both would probably not admit it: but TAMU fans fear UT to the SEC will make UT better and more arrogant (if that's possible) and UT fans probably know they need the SEC more than they are willing to admit it.

Personally, I think it would elevate college football in Texas to a new level if the two are forced to play again every year.

 

[CullmanTide]

Yeah A&M is attempting to torpedo this.

Again not that I blame them.

Alabama needs to help A&M any way it can.

 

[Al A Bama]

Help me understand how Texas will destroy the SEC. I don't know how it was with the old Southwest conference, but in the Big 12 they get the biggest share (along with OU) IIRC.

But in the SEC, they'd just be as equal as the other 16 teams (if UT and OU) join. SEC sends out the same amount of money at the end of every year to every team. So how do they destroy the SEC?

BTW, I'm genuinely asking this question because I don't know how they would destroy the SEC if Alabama hasn't already because we got more "clout" than anybody in the conference.

Their ARROGANCE for one thing. SEC, "don't MESS with Texas". I used to like going to Austin, especially 6th Street at night to listen to a guy play the piano/harmonica and sing, "The Piano Man". Now, I do not like to even visit that city. Texas, please move the capital city to Abilene or Nacogdoches, or fill in the _____________. Hmmmm. Maybe even Bryan/College Station.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Yeah A&M is attempting to torpedo this.

Again not that I blame them.

It is like getting out of a toxic relationship and thinking you are rid of them until they move into your spare bedroom.

 

[bamaga]

this cracked me up from the Clemson board!

IF they keep divisions they just just call one “Crimson” and the other “Tide” and call it a day.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

In interview posted on al.com, R. Bowen Loftin, former president of A&M who navigated their move to the SEC, stated at the end: "“Would you really want to go and add a state we already have a presence in or add a school from a state we don’t have a presence in?” he said. “It’d make much more sense to go eastward. Virginia Tech, UNC coming out of the ACC, that would have more sensibility from pure economics.”
That being said, there is more to this than just smoke...as hard as it is for me to believe...I may have to start drinking again...

Sittin' on a barstool
Actin' like a durn fool
That's what I'ma doing today.....

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I'm a little surprised at this thread, at how many seem to be against this idea.

If you go find some of the past playoff expansion threads, so many (including me) around here want the power five to break away and kill the NCAA.

You know, the SEC could absorb Clemson, Texas, OU, and Ohio State, and the rest of the teams could just vanish in all honesty.

Yet so many in this thread do not have a desire for the SEC to expand.

To be fair, I think most of it has to do with the idea of sharing a table with UTerus. And the moment they flex those muscles, they better wake up with a dead horse head in the bed.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

If Colt hadn't gotten hurt we would not be having this conversation.