Decline of the GOP V

[Crimson1967]

The Decline of the G.O.P., Part 4...

Not to be difficult, but you have not outlined what message they need to put forth at all. What message will win over southern voters? There's the rub. The Dem's message and what southern red states want to hear is somewhat mutually exclusive.

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What message would you present to win Southern votes if you are the DNC?

 

[92tide]

it's southern white votes that need to be swayed/won.

 

[NationalTitles18]

The Decline of the G.O.P., Part 4...

Not to be difficult, but you have not outlined what message they need to put forth at all. What message will win over southern voters? There's the rub. The Dem's message and what southern red states want to hear is somewhat mutually exclusive.

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What message would you present to win Southern votes if you are the DNC?

That’s what I’ve been asking. So far empty generalizations is all I’ve gotten.

 

[92tide]

shirley there is a simple message to counter this idiocy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499086747849928711

 

[NationalTitles18]

shirley there is a simple message to counter this idiocy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499086747849928711

What a stupid ignorant jackass.

 

[Crimson1967]

I thought the party line was that masks are a personal choice.

 

[JDCrimson]

I have already suggested some messaging that i think would resonate. But here are a few more...

- Expanded medicare access
- Lower drug and insurance premiums
- Medical solution to substance abuse
- Carveout for medical marijuana
- Expanded support to mental heath
- Childcare support
- Social security preservation
- Middle class tax relief
- Expanded rural Healthcare
- Expanded access to day after pill
- Expanded training and support for law enforcement
- Reminder of who provided pushed out infrastructure improvements
- Expansion of rural broadband
- Worker training to close skills gap between open positions and ill-skilled unemployed under employed labor
- Civil/rural service program in exchange for student debt relief

None of the above ideas speak to racial divides or other cultural issues. These are solutions that would benefit people of many different socio-economic backgrounds. But these are all issues that Republicans oppose or are indifferent to.

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The Decline of the G.O.P., Part 4...

Not to be difficult, but you have not outlined what message they need to put forth at all. What message will win over southern voters? There's the rub. The Dem's message and what southern red states want to hear is somewhat mutually exclusive.

www.tidefans.com

What message would you present to win Southern votes if you are the DNC?

 

[NationalTitles18]

I have already suggested some messaging that i think would resonate. But here are a few more...

- Expanded medicare access
- Lower drug and insurance premiums
- Medical solution to substance abuse
- Carveout for medical marijuana
- Expanded support to mental heath
- Childcare support
- Social security preservation
- Middle class tax relief
- Expanded rural Healthcare
- Expanded access to day after pill
- Expanded training and support for law enforcement
- Reminder of who provided pushed out infrastructure improvements
- Expansion of rural broadband
- Worker training to close skills gap between open positions and ill-skilled unemployed under employed labor
- Civil/rural service program in exchange for student debt relief

None of the above ideas speak to racial divides or other cultural issues. These are solutions that would benefit people of many different socio-economic backgrounds. But these are all issues that Republicans oppose or are indifferent to.

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Looks like a copy and paste of the SOTU address last night.

 

[JDCrimson]

Well i feel honored that Biden would use my ideas given i have not watched a second of the SOTU.

Looks like a copy and paste of the SOTU address last night.

 

[92tide]

Looks like a copy and paste of the SOTU address last night.

i was about to say, almost all of those have been part of the democratic party platform in one way or another for a while.

like lbj said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

but pointing things out like that forces people to vote for trump, or something

 

[NationalTitles18]

Well i feel honored that Biden would use my ideas given i have not watched a second of the SOTU.

It's the same thing they've been saying all along. Wonder why no one seems to have seen any of it.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

The "decline" has such a steep grade it might be better called a collapse.

 

[JDCrimson]

Because where im from the Democrats continue to insanely campaign on the divisive issues of abortion, gun control, immigration, racial equity, and climate change which is an elitist approach.

You simply will not win in the south as a Democrat trying to change the hearts and minds on those issues even though they are worthy and critical issues. You cant change the narrative from a loser's platform...

It's the same thing they've been saying all along. Wonder why no one seems to have seen any of it.

 

[92tide]

The "decline" has such a steep grade it might be better called a collapse.

i guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. this is a success for them, they have been working towards this for a long time and will continue until they are stopped.

 

[92tide]

Because where im from the Democrats continue to insanely campaign on the divisive issues of abortion, gun control, immigration, racial equity, and climate change which is an elitist approach.

You simply will not win in the south as a Democrat trying to change the hearts and minds on those issues even though they are worthy and critical issues. You cant change the narrative from a lover's platform...

i get what you are saying, but just because these issues are divisive does not make them elitist. for many southern voters, these are issues of life and death.

 

[JDCrimson]

True, but you cant win a democrat campaign leading with those issues even though they singularly important to some voters. To win you are going to have to get a lot of Republicans to consider voting against their historical tendency.

i get what you are saying, but just because these issues are divisive does not make them elitist. for many southern voters, these are issues of life and death.

 

[92tide]

True, but you cant win a democrat campaign leading with those issues even though they singularly important to some voters. To win you are going to have to get a lot of Republicans to consider voting against their historical tendency.

the problem is, republican voters' historical tendency is to explicitly vote for these horrible things. this is what excites them and gets them to the polls. it's why these idiots like desantis, kemp, abbot, etc were elected

trumpism excites a lot of people. republicans are eager to roll back voting rights, civil rights, to demonize lbgtq+ folks, have a draconian and deadly police presence in non-white communities, and all in the name of serving their lord and savior jesus christ. you don't appeal to that with reason.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Because where im from the Democrats continue to insanely campaign on the divisive issues of abortion, gun control, immigration, racial equity, and climate change which is an elitist approach.

You simply will not win in the south as a Democrat trying to change the hearts and minds on those issues even though they are worthy and critical issues. You cant change the narrative from a loser's platform...

Some things are worth fighting for.

Roe v Wade is under siege right now, and a cabal or right-wing SC justices stand to overturn it.

If the South wants to go take the country back....to the 1950s, I'm hoping the rest of the country begs to differ.

If anyone is running on divide-and-conquer, it's the current Republican Party. With it's assault on reproductive rights, voting rights, the environment, and constant conspiracy theories, and unabashed lurches toward white nationalism in more than a few of their members of Congress.

 

[92tide]

re-posting this from the other thread.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498720139058954241

 

[JDCrimson]

Well, we are discussing what is the best opportunity for a Democrat to win in a Red State and I believe this is the best approach.

There is no magic message that is going to turn a Red State blue overnight. Progress is likely instead of losing elections 70-30 losing 60-40 then 55-45. The Democrats in the South didnt get in the ditch overnight and they wont get out of it overnight. The Alabama Democrat Party has virtually no leadership, no campaign infrastructure, and no fundraising apparatus. They can't even contest elections. It's a third world imbalance of democracy here.

the problem is, republican voters' historical tendency is to explicitly vote for these horrible things. this is what excites them and gets them to the polls. it's why these idiots like desantis, kemp, abbot, etc were elected

trumpism excites a lot of people. republicans are eager to roll back voting rights, civil rights, to demonize lbgtq+ folks, have a draconian and deadly police presence in non-white communities, and all in the name of serving their lord and savior jesus christ. you don't appeal to that with reason.