Bad QB play affected many units tonight

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

Maybe Simpson gets his chance now.

Simpson or TB or Lonergan...............

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

I’m still struggling with this: If Milroe is the best QB on the team, that means we have three more highly recruited guys on the bench that are worse than he is. That’s incredible.

I'm not sure they are necessarily worse than Milroe.................we dont really know because we dont see much of them

 

[colbysullivan]

Is there any other team in the SEC West where Milroe currently could start? I don't think there is.

No, which is why I said he should have transferred. Anyone who watched the aTm game last year should have seen it.

 

[Ledsteplin]

The problem with this take is the QB vs OL is sort of a circular argument. A QB who can hit slants and intermediate throws behind the LBs prevent the DL from just crashing the line. The QB gets it out faster, the OL doesn't look so bad. But, if a OL doesn't give the QB time - the QB can't make throws. Chicken or the egg. I say it's both, and when it's both, like last night, it looks exponentially worse.

I do think if you put Buchner or Simpson back there last night the OL would have looked a little better after a couple of series after the QBs hit a few quick hitters and backed everyone off.

I think his problem was trying to force the ball, when no one was open. Those 2 ints reminded me of those 2 pick sixes Mac threw against Auburn. Looked a lot alike. He's got to learn to get out of the box and throw it out of bounds.

 

[gtgilbert]

That's who Milroe is, he's Nick Marshall. There was a thread last week about who he reminds you of, and it's Nick Marshall. The only difference is that Auburn ran an offense that played to his strengths, and we are not, and have no offensive identity currently. It certainly isn't pounding it on the ground with our runningbacks.

I don't know what happens at the QB position going forward, but we won't win many games running the game plan we had last night with Milroe at QB. Either make a change at the position, or make a change of the offensive scheme. Though I don't have a ton of faith right now that either option is going to work.

thing is, that RPO based offense that Marshall ran requires the QB to make a read on the EDGE to determine RB handoff or QB keep, then if it's a QB keep the QB has to make a really fast read and throw before WRs are open, to a spot. Right now, Milroe isn't a guy who can make that read/pass, or at least he's never shown he can. If he can't make that play happen, the secondary or LB just shuts down the QB run behind the edge. The D can basically force the QB into what they want by having the edge guy go ahead and play down the LOS to get the QB to read keep, but then because they don't respect the pass, they have filled the run lane with another player.

 

[gtgilbert]

I think his problem was trying to force the ball, when no one was open. Those 2 ints reminded me of those 2 pick sixes Mac threw against Auburn. Looked a lot alike. He's got to learn to get out of the box and throw it out of bounds.

he's late on his throws. The first was just a really bad decision to make the pass, but on the second, if he threw when we was supposed to, so the ball arrived right as the WR turned, it would have been open.

 

[AlistarWills]

I dont even know what that means ... Bama was just going thr motions and not taking Texas seriously?

It means Texas circles this game and put in a lot of extra effort in prep for the game. Even using the Rice game week working on things they knew they would run against us. Kiffin did it at OM when he went there and it really showed with the product on the field.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The problem with this take is the QB vs OL is sort of a circular argument. A QB who can hit slants and intermediate throws behind the LBs prevent the DL from just crashing the line. The QB gets it out faster, the OL doesn't look so bad. But, if a OL doesn't give the QB time - the QB can't make throws. Chicken or the egg. I say it's both, and when it's both, like last night, it looks exponentially worse.

I do think if you put Buchner or Simpson back there last night the OL would have looked a little better after a couple of series after the QBs hit a few quick hitters and backed everyone off.

It's long time for the OLINE to actually play better rather than expecting a QB to make them "look better". They need to own their responsibility not expect another unit or player constantly carry their water.

 

[HighlandOak]

Simpson or TB or Lonergan...............

I'd prefer Simpson, but I'd be happy with any of those 3.

 

[bamaga]

watching Bryce young operate the Carolina offense is a thing of beauty, even though they failed on fourth and 1. We are QB spoiled for sure!

 

[DzynKingRTR]

watching Bryce young operate the Carolina offense is a thing of beauty, even though they failed on fourth and 1. We are QB spoiled for sure!

it is depressing me

 

[2003TIDE]

Milroe owns his share of the blame no doubt, but if anyone couldn't see the offensive line problems from botched snaps, getting caved in play after after play blowing the play up before it even started, then you've already made your mind up to blame Milroe for every wrong doing on offense. Bryce Young, Tua, Jones and definitely college version Hurts, would have gotten killed last night. Our offensive line turned into a joke last night getting physically beaten all night. That, in some sense, is a greater concern to me than the QB position.

mmmm hhhmmmm


Glad to have you on team "we got OL problems" now

 

[aerospace_ray]

I just wonder if two QB system is not route to go? If it took as long as it did to name the starter then there must be schemes in which the others were equal/excelled in. After last night I would strongly consider the concept. Put guys in situations they can excel in. Some passing schemes I bet the backups could execute better based on their arm/throwing talent, some schemes require a run option which obviously JM demonstrated he excels in. Modern football requires ability to adapt. I think our coaches are capable of designing schemes with specific players (including QB). Hoping for positive rest of season. RTR

 

[bamadws56]

It's long time for the OLINE to actually play better rather than expecting a QB to make them "look better". They need to own their responsibility not expect another unit or player constantly carry their water.

I agree with you here somewhat. I don't think one is devoid of the other. Ergo...I do think think a QB change last night would have changed the outcome. If you don't...that's fine...we just disagree.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Maybe the staff realized that we are not a joyless murderball yet and the receiver are more well suited for separation and long passes which is why Milroe holding on to the QB job

Maybe, but my heart skipped a beat every time he let go of the football, even on the completions. Even a few of the big plays were ugly passes in between defenders. Amari Niblack bailed him out on that last TD pass.

 

[day-day]

I think his problem was trying to force the ball, when no one was open. Those 2 ints reminded me of those 2 pick sixes Mac threw against Auburn. Looked a lot alike. He's got to learn to get out of the box and throw it out of bounds.

The receivers were open in the pick-sixes by Jones vs Auburn; the decision to throw was correct by Jones. One was an underthrow and the other was on overthrow.

 

[SkullDuckery]

The Oline is getting hammered but if we had a QB that could hit the slants and quick outs like Tua or Bryce, it would have been a different game. It would have kept the pressure off our run game and made it easy to establish the deep ball later in the game.

 

[Rockettman]

The receivers were open in the pick-sixes by Jones vs Auburn; the decision to throw was correct by Jones. One was an underthrow and the other was on overthrow.

And Mac could process/read the defense. Milroe isn't there yet.

 

[BamaMoon]

Milroe was pressured all night. It wouldn't have mattered much who was behind center. The OL play was sporadic. Real bad at times. The receivers were struggling to get separation. Pointing at only Milroe is unfair. Many of the problems we saw are fixable. We have a cupcake next week. So we have 2 weeks to clean up. Texas played a good game. They're a good team, and likely practiced months for Bama.

I agree there were other issues, but I think you are mistaken and your continual whistling past the graveyard regarding JM's tendencies makes it hard to communicate with you on this. It was suggested last week to be careful to think that JM's performance against MTSU wasn't indicative of how he might play the rest of the year.

The OL needs work, agreed! But I think a lot of the pressure/tackles for losses/sacks were a result of JM not stepping up into the pocket when he should have. I know there was one time when JM was sacked because he didn't climb the pocket, which was clean. Several times, the pocket was there and he tried to bail and run and was tackled for a loss, outside of the pocket. His footwork is not good and Jordan Rodgers said in the first game this was the key for JM to be better. Footwork and timing have to improve. We could mention other things too like anticipation and reading the defense, but Jalen basically wants to wait until the WR is wide open, but by that time it's way too late to throw the ball.

I'm not exaggerating when I say that he's actually very lucky not to have thrown 4 or 5 INTs last night.

As someone said the OL/QB issues are tied and sometimes one messes up when it looks like the other did. Put it this way, Jalen surely didn't help them by not doing what he should have done on many of those plays it looked like the OL failed. It probably goes both ways, but I think there's more blame on JM than the OL.

In case anyone would think I just don't like JM. That's wrong. I like him. But I just can't see this team, with this kind of dependency on what we asked JM to do last night, can be much better than 8 or 9 wins. I hope I'm wrong on this, but I think we've given teams like OM, UTK, LSU and Auburn a blueprint for how to defend us if JM remains the QB. If we we could split those 4 games and go 2-2 it might be overachieving at this point.

 

[RollsTide]

he's late on his throws. The first was just a really bad decision to make the pass, but on the second, if he threw when we was supposed to, so the ball arrived right as the WR turned, it would have been open.

After watching Milroe start a game last year I knew he was not able to make good decisions. When I heard he was starting the game, I figured after he screwed up Saben would pull him and it would be similar to when Jake Coker took over. Sadly that never happened. It's hard to fix poor judgement.