You may be correct, but that is you're opinion. I agree with your opinion, but that is only my opinion. Georgia fans surely think that it wouldn't have mattered and that they would have won any way, just like we believe it wouldn't have mattered if Colt had not been injured against us in the championship game for the 09 season. Texas fans think they would have won. They may be right, but the fact is that we won and have the trophy in our case. It is fun to discuss possibilities and speculations, but the facts still trump them every day.
Bama getting no respect
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I have stated before, and will state again, there is an obvious difference between 2009 Texas and 2021 Alabama, and that is Alabama actually beat Georgia on the field during the 2021 season. Actually Alabama stomped them pretty hard.
I'll go even further. There is an obvious difference between 2011 LSU and 2021 Alabama, and that is the second game game vs. LSU in the 2011 season was a blowout win, while Georgia did not blow out Alabama the second time in 2021. No, Alabama actually led in the 4th quarter and was driving in Georgia territory late with a chance to take the lead when the pick 6 happened.
That's why these 2 comparisons are less than valid, and that is putting it kindly. We have legitimate proof the injuries made a difference in 2021. Texas may have beaten Alabama had Colt remained healthy that game. But it was only 6-0 when he left the game, and it was early in the first quarter. No doubt his absence made a difference in how the game played out, but it cannot be said with any certainty that it made the ultimate difference between a win and a loss.
Having said ALL of that, what does any of it have to do with THIS season? It's pretty clear to me that Alabama is not getting a fair shot in these rankings up to this point. It remains to be seen whether they will get a fair shot IF they beat Auburn and Georgia. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it but the confidence I had a couple of weeks ago that there was no way a 12-1 SEC champion Alabama gets left out has waned considerably.
It has everything to do with exploring the relationship between what happens, what should happen, what can be expected to happen, and what has already happened all in the context of selecting playoff teams. Everything that has happened in college football up to this point, in previous seasons and this season, informs the decisions being made and our opinions about them, and the entire basis for this thread.
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1996 Florida vs FSU vs 1997 Sugar Bowl. 3 points one way to 32 points the other in a month’s time…. Is there no possibility that the game was played differently?
Injuries are a part of the game and so are bad calls. Using them as excuses are beneath us. Truth be told we probably win 2021 Georgia rematch by 2-3 scores with a competent coordinator even without Jamo and metchie. But there is no way to prove it
I don't think whether or not Alabama would have beaten Georgia in the rematch with a healthy Metchie and Williamson has any bearing on the CFP committee disrespecting (or not) Alabama in the rankings so far. That is what I am saying, just to clarify, which may not make a difference in how you would respond.
Rest assured I am not simply using them as an excuse. I am outright saying that's why Georgia won the game, and that had even only Williamson remained healthy, we win the game. He was running behind their secondary the second time around, just like the first time, which again, is a thing that happened in reality. What I am not doing is saying Georgia needs to turn in that trophy, because I am not saying injuries aren't a part of the game. They are, most unfortunately. I would almost never say this when it comes to injuries. But I will point it out every time when I see Colt/Texas 2009 used as a comparison.
You mention 1996 Florida/FSU. I recall FSU got away with a ton of late hits on Danny Wuerffel in the first game in Tallahassee. The 2nd time around, after listening to Steve Spurrier complain about it for a month, the refs called the game more cleanly. Also, Spurrier went to the shotgun formation almost that whole game which alleviated FSU's pass rush. So yeah, the second game was played a lot differently, and Florida probably would have won the first one if FSU wasn't the beneficiary of some serious home cooking.
Again, these are 2 different situations than Texas/Alabama in 2009. There was no second game to rectify or verify the results of the first.
If you replace Texas with say Purdue and we win by 30, we are sitting in the top 4.
But here is the thing… Texas was winning and moving the ball when McCoy was in. It took them a quarter and a half for them to find a rhythm with Gilbert. Greg was horrible in that game and one of our TDs was a flat out fluke play. So it’s not a crazy belief that there is a potentially different game if McCoy doesn’t get hurt. Maybe better for Texas maybe worse for them.
I’m saying that we are dismissing something strictly because it makes our championship look lesser. But at the end of the day we are doing the same exact thing with the 2021 Georgia NCG. We have no idea how either game would turn out if they were played out with no injuries. We assume but there are no definitive answers. Yes we pantsed them in the SECCG but Georgia totally adjusted in how they attacked the short passes… we never went away from stupid jet sweeps and long tunnel screens.
My point is Alabama won the 2009 NCG and Georgia won the 2021 NCG. No one outside the losers care about alternative results to those games. It’s time to move on from 2021 and 2022 and hopefully we win it this year where most fans will forget those two years like they mostly forget 2016 and 2018.
They were winning 6-0 and they had to settle for FGs twice. The second time was after that ghastly fake punt failure that left them starting deep inside our territory. So no, they were not necessarily "moving the ball" before Colt got hurt. The "if Colt hadn't gotten hurt" crowd also ignores the other side of that match up. Which was Alabama having no QB due to his own injuries and playing with only its running game. Despite this, Texas's defense allowed two 100 yard rushers.
It's not that I care so much as to want to overturn the result of the game, or dismiss Georgia's efforts. What I care about is that these 2 things are not remotely the same. We can go around and around all day with this and neither of us are going to budge. It is what it is.
My point is that you don’t hear people complaining near as much about illegal pick plays like they did the whole year after it happened. Winning cures alot of bad feelings
LOL, forget 2016?! Where's Tony Brown? He knows.
I would say it's because for us it's irrelevant what UGA's SOS is because we play them and if we beat them they are out of the CFBP running.
UGA is also undefeated with a monster winning streak and defending 2-time NC's so they get a unwritten bump of respect from that too.
FSU and Oregon we have no control over and since they have a much weaker SOS than us and haven't done jack in over a decade it feels like they are both fraudulent pretenders who shouldn't be ahead of BAMA.
Jess, please, your analysis of Alabama vs. Auburn…that and Thanksgiving will push this thread to the bottom of the screen.
I think whatever mess unfolds over the next 2 weeks will be because the committee didn't position the teams who can play their way in or out. Bama at #8 is signaling they can't play their way in. The ranking ought to communicate safety in the weeks leading up to the final ranking not who is the best at the time.
Imo it should be as follows...
1) OSU
2) UGA
3) UW
4) UM
5) FSU
6) TX
7) UA
8) UO
Any loss over the next 2 weeks should cost a team in the top 8 a 3 spot jump up or down. Imo, Oregon is overranked based on body of work and SOS. FSU has topped as well for the same reasons. They may win out but they likely can't win a playoff game with any of the top 8 right now. UGA can play their way out with a loss to us based on their SOS. We can play our way in to #4 with a win over UGA. UM falls to #7 with a loss. OSU can stay in with a loss.
Based on what I think will happen over the next 2 weeks, I see it this way...
1) OSU
2) TX
3) UA
4) UW/UO
5) UGA
6) UO/UW
7) UM
8) FSU
We need to win out coupled with OSU beating UM and FSU losing. Washington and Oregon are basically interchangeable. They wont do it but if Oregon beats Washington the top 4 should be...
1) OSU
2) TX
3) UA
4) UGA
Imo it should be as follows...
1) OSU
2) UGA
3) UW
4) UM
5) FSU
6) TX
7) UA
8) UO
Any loss over the next 2 weeks should cost a team in the top 8 a 3 spot jump up or down. Imo, Oregon is overranked based on body of work and SOS. FSU has topped as well for the same reasons. They may win out but they likely can't win a playoff game with any of the top 8 right now. UGA can play their way out with a loss to us based on their SOS. We can play our way in to #4 with a win over UGA. UM falls to #7 with a loss. OSU can stay in with a loss.
Based on what I think will happen over the next 2 weeks, I see it this way...
1) OSU
2) TX
3) UA
4) UW/UO
5) UGA
6) UO/UW
7) UM
8) FSU
We need to win out coupled with OSU beating UM and FSU losing. Washington and Oregon are basically interchangeable. They wont do it but if Oregon beats Washington the top 4 should be...
1) OSU
2) TX
3) UA
4) UGA
Merge, then bury in the same grave because I don't have the willpower to stay away from them.
ASSUMING Bama wins out . . . They used to say that an early loss was better than a loss late in the season . . . Hope that’s still true.
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