This is the first time the BCS formula differed from the CFP final four...

[crimsonaudio]

...but it's not what you think...

 

[Special K]

This is kind of the discussion I've had with some friends, that the choice really should have been between Texas and FSU. Texas didn't get punished enough for their loss to OU and some struggle wins over bad to mediocre teams like TCU, Houston, and Kansas State (who took them to OT at home no less). Committee should have probably moved them behind us somewhere in there despite the head to head in Week 2 when our QB situation was still so in flux.

I'm mildly suprised that discussion hasn't come up more with the talking heads, but our loss to Texas probably quelled all that and made us the easier target.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Texas beating us in September covered a multitude of future sins for the rest of the season in the eyes of the committee. No different than people screaming at our performance against Auburn, yet completely ignoring that weekend where Auburn was handling UGA and UGA squeaked out a 27-20 win. That was the same "pitiful" Auburn team we played. Not to mention UGA had several other games where 75% of the game they looked bad to rough but pulled away in the last quarter of the game to make it look like on paper they handled the game.

 

[bamatex82]

I don't know why that Georgia's 29 win streak was being brought up. That is impressive, but this year's team didn't play all those games. It's college football, each year it's a new team.

 

[bamagradinATL]

I was never a fan of the committee. I was always a proponent of using the BCS Formula to take the top 4 teams.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

...but it's not what you think...

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Well, to be fair the BCS formula didn't factor in starting qb injuries...

 

[PA Tide Fan]

Below is the final pure computer poll with no input from human voters which actually is closer to being correct. While I don't agree with 100% of its picks it does correctly have both Bama and Texas above FSU. The BCS includes the human polls so either the humans didn't fully factor in the injury or human polls were giving FSU some kind of sympathy vote. Fortunately the committee put those emotions aside and made the right decision.

 

[bamadwain]

Like I said earlier post, no one is talking about Texas losing to a 2 loss team, if you lose to a 1 loss team that team may of had a bad game that day, but you lose to a 2 loss team that team has flaws so you shouldn't be losing to 2 loss teams if your that good, FSU fans and talking heads should be mad at the committee (5 ACC influencers on there) and Texas, they kept them out, but it's all on Bama because of fatigue

 

[bamadwain]

Below is the final pure computer poll with no input from human voters which actually is closer to being correct. While I don't agree with 100% of its picks it does correctly have both Bama and Texas above FSU. The BCS includes the human polls so either the humans didn't fully factor in the injury or human polls were giving FSU some kind of sympathy vote.

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And who has a better record against teams in that 12?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I don't know why that Georgia's 29 win streak was being brought up. That is impressive, but this year's team didn't play all those games. It's college football, each year it's a new team.

Yeah, I keep hearing the "two time back to back NC" argument and I'm like "Yeah, and they awarded those teams for their accomplishments with a NC trophy"

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Like I said earlier post, no one is talking about Texas losing to a 2 loss team,

Nobody is talking about it because it's irrelevant.

Alabama lost to a 2-loss aTm team in 2012 and a 3-loss (before the poll) Auburn team in 2017 that eventually had four losses. And a 3-loss aTm in 2021 that wound up with 4.

"Nobody is talking about how Texas lost to a #12 team who would make the playoffs if this were next year" would be just as true.

 

[BamaMoon]

A couple of thoughts:

Next year Texas will not have the luxury of beating one team and losing to another and them squeaking by with some very bad performances against weaker conference teams. Texas and OU will learn that's not the way it works in the SEC. You have to bring it every week or you get beat!

I think that's why the Georgia win streak is relevant to te discussion. Yeah, the previous two years don't matter this year except the 12 wins they accrued this year were on top of those two previous NC years. It's all generated by the media; it's a narrative; but it also speaks to their short term dominance of the most competitive conference in college football so it is somewhat relative.

It's why our win is so big in the context of the big picture of college football. The previous narrative was Georgia was KING and Kirby had become the SEC's top coach. All that got changed with their streak ending when it did on the biggest stage possible. That's how it's relevant IMO.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Nobody is talking about it because it's irrelevant.

Alabama lost to a 2-loss aTm team in 2012 and a 3-loss (before the poll) Auburn team in 2017 that eventually had four losses. And a 3-loss aTm in 2021 that wound up with 4.

"Nobody is talking about how Texas lost to a #12 team who would make the playoffs if this were next year" would be just as true.

I mean Booger lost his mind the other day and his 2003 LSU team lost to a Fla team AT HOME by 12 points who finished 8-5.

Is he going to give back his ring?

Even worse 2007 LSU lost TWO games to TWO teams that were 8-5 by a total of 8 points and they got to play for and win a NC.

We lost 2 games last year by 4 points to an 11-2 team and a 10-4 team and they left us out and kept a team in that lost it's CCG...didn't even drop them from #3.... AND put a team in at #4 who lost their last game by THREE TD's.....AT HOME.

Now I know our fanbase was split of if we should have got in last year but we absolutely did not show our butts over it and throw hissy fits like everyone is this year.

I wish I could find last year's simulated BCS numbers... I think it did have us #5 before the final games were played but ESPN Comp #'s after the games easily show we could have been in the Top 4.

But my point is that there have been a LOT of past NC teams that weren't undefeated, teams that were screwed by the system, teams that didn't get a chance and were passed over.

Why is everyone losing their MINDS this time?

 

[BamaFlum]

This year was a perfect storm: three undefeated conference champions and two very impressive one loss conference champions with a barely beaten two champ going down in the last game. Gotta keep in mind, the PTB had a chance to start the 12 team playoff this year.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

A couple of thoughts:

Next year Texas will not have the luxury of beating one team and losing to another and them squeaking by with some very bad performances against weaker conference teams. Texas and OU will learn that's not the way it works in the SEC. You have to bring it every week or you get beat!

I think that's why the Georgia win streak is relevant to te discussion. Yeah, the previous two years don't matter this year except the 12 wins they accrued this year were on top of those two previous NC years. It's all generated by the media; it's a narrative; but it also speaks to their short term dominance of the most competitive conference in college football so it is somewhat relative.

It's why our win is so big in the context of the big picture of college football. The previous narrative was Georgia was KING and Kirby had become the SEC's top coach. All that got changed with their streak ending when it did on the biggest stage possible. That's how it's relevant IMO.

29 wins in a row in MODERN COLLEGE FOOTBALL is an extraordinary accomplishment, and all the "they don't play in the West" nonsense to diminish it is absurd.

Alabama won 28 games in a row from 9/30/78 to 11/1/80 (the previous SEC record).

Of those 28 opponents:
- THREE were ranked at the end of the season, and two of those were the bowl opponents
- TEN had records of 3-8 OR WORSE (that's nearly half of them)
- FIFTEEN had losing records and one more had a 5-5-1 (basically .500) record

It doesn't diminish the accomplishment to point out the context. It's NOT easy to win 28 games in a row in college football or ANY level of football, no matter the opponent. Oklahoma holds a record for consecutive wins that I think it's safe to say CAN NEVER be broken because there's simply no way the world in which that occurred will ever again exist. By the same token, most of those teams weren't very good at all.

But if it was so easy, you have to ask why other teams can't do it, particularly good teams who aren't in the SEC West.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Texas beating us in September covered a multitude of future sins for the rest of the season in the eyes of the committee. No different than people screaming at our performance against Auburn, yet completely ignoring that weekend where Auburn was handling UGA and UGA squeaked out a 27-20 win. That was the same "pitiful" Auburn team we played. Not to mention UGA had several other games where 75% of the game they looked bad to rough but pulled away in the last quarter of the game to make it look like on paper they handled the game.

How many times did anyone bring up UT barely getting by a 5-7 TCU? By 3.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Why is everyone losing their MINDS this time?

Some of it from the PUNDITS might be termed "SEC fatigue" or even (cringe) "Bama fatigue", their hope that "it would be nice to see someone besides an SEC team win the championship."

OTOH, I'm amused by the rise of "Texas lost to a two-loss team" on the same board where a substantial chunk of the membership was wanting a 2-loss team in the playoff just one year ago.

Florida State's anger is understandable. I can't help but feel a bit for "we got good kids" (Tim Wilson's standup about Bobby Bowden) even though I don't care for the program.

But then again, Alabama's players suffered a similar miscarriage of justice in 1966 - and Coach Bryant never trashed the procedure for selecting a champion, he taught his players to RESPECT THE PROCESS involved.

Florida State like all other teams agreed to the rules before the season began.

 

[CajunCrimson]

29 wins in a row in MODERN COLLEGE FOOTBALL is an extraordinary accomplishment, and all the "they don't play in the West" nonsense to diminish it is absurd.

Alabama won 28 games in a row from 9/30/78 to 11/1/80 (the previous SEC record).

Of those 28 opponents:
- THREE were ranked at the end of the season, and two of those were the bowl opponents
- TEN had records of 3-8 OR WORSE (that's nearly half of them)
- FIFTEEN had losing records and one more had a 5-5-1 (basically .500) record

It doesn't diminish the accomplishment to point out the context. It's NOT easy to win 28 games in a row in college football or ANY level of football, no matter the opponent. Oklahoma holds a record for consecutive wins that I think it's safe to say CAN NEVER be broken because there's simply no way the world in which that occurred will ever again exist. By the same token, most of those teams weren't very good at all.

But if it was so easy, you have to ask why other teams can't do it, particularly good teams who aren't in the SEC West.

Scheduling has changed so much since then, too.

1978 Vs Nebraska, USC, Mizzou, Washington, Va Tech plus the conference games. Back then a winning record and bowl game weren’t as easy to get as it is now.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

How many times did anyone bring up UT barely getting by a 5-7 TCU? By 3.

Or Florida State beating 6-6 Boston College by two points WITH Jordan.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Scheduling has changed so much since then, too.

1978 Vs Nebraska, USC, Mizzou, Washington, Va Tech plus the conference games. Back then a winning record and bowl game weren’t as easy to get as it is now.

Correct, particularly since there were only 15 bowl games in 1978.

Plus - the games being played OOC in 1978 had been scheduled - back in those days - 7-10 years earlier in most cases. (And tbf, we got stuck with Wichita St when SMU backed out of the rematch).