Georgia Football Graduation Levels Dead Last in S.E.C.

[92tide]

just thought i would share this tidbit from today's ajc

Georgia football graduation rates lagging far behind other programs

ATHENS – Georgia has finished at the top of the SEC -- and the nation -- in college football the last three years. The same cannot be said about the Bulldogs’ academic performance.

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Georgia has finished at the top of the SEC -- and the nation -- in college football the last three years. The same cannot be said about the Bulldogs’ academic performance.

According to the most recent Graduation Success Rate (GSR) data released by the NCAA on Dec. 6, Georgia has finished last in the 14-team SEC each of the last three years, and the numbers have been trending downward.

and the chef's kiss

That dropped the Bulldogs’ record over the last three years to 41-2, with both those losses coming at the hands of the Crimson Tide. ...

As for Alabama, the school has been beating Georgia in the classroom as well. The Crimson Tide has finished considerably ahead of the Bulldogs in the last seven GSR cohorts examined. Alabama was second in the SEC this year at 93% and has averaged 87% since 2016-17.

UGA’s average over the same period is 51.2%. The Bulldogs were last in the SEC all of those years except for two; in 2019-20 they were 12th (71%) and 2017-18 when they were 13th (58%).

 

[Tidelines]

I'm sure they will blame players leaving early for the Pros and alot of players transferring. Truth is they are only concerned with the product on the field. They can say what they will about Coach Saban, but he really cares about his players education.

 

[92tide]

I'm sure they will blame players leaving early for the Pros and alot of players transferring. Truth is they are only concerned with the product on the field. They can say what they will about Coach Saban, but he really cares about his players education.

that was in the article and seemed to be the bulk of georgia's response to the article. that is what made the comparison with bama so nice.

 

[B1GTide]

If it doesn't cost them on the field, it won't matter to the players or their parents. It is a shame, but that's the way college football has been headed for a while. I still remember painfully well what Cardale Jones said in 2012. These players, by and large, do not go to schools like Alabama and Georgia for the education. Many have to be forced to even attend class.

Kudos to Saban for making that a requirement for a spot on his roster, and then following that up with tutoring resources to ensure that these kids make it. Because, even the talented kids that come to Alabama often never see an NFL paycheck.

Now, with NIL money, some will make more in college than they will ever make again in their lives. Times, they are a changin'.

 

[CB4]

My son graduated from Auburn a few years back. He stated that the academic support programs in place for the student athletes were a “farce”. You could literally do nothing and graduate in 3-4 years with 2.0 with preferential class schedules, academic support and tutoring (or as he put it “people in place to make sure you have the answers”). He even named a football player (WR) that “graduated” with him that he nor any of his classmates ever saw “darken the door” of their building.

My son is a huge Auburn fan and for years was “cultish” in his fandom. But he busted his tail to graduate summa cum laude in his field of study. The reality is that this guy now possesses the very same degree that he does and he probably can’t spell “cat”’ even if you gave him the “C” and the “A”. In recent years, he has come to accept that many of those “student athletes” aren’t “students” at all.

I’m sure there are similar circumstances taking place in Tuscaloosa…. or Oxford or Gainesville….Lexington…Columbus, OH,…..Chapel Hill… and on and on.

With how it is going, Academic Progress Rates will mean nothing. The NCAA becomes more feckless each and every day.

 

[RTR2u]

My son graduated from Auburn a few years back. He stated that the academic support programs in place for the student athletes were a “farce”. You could literally do nothing and graduate in 3-4 years with 2.0 with preferential class schedules, academic support and tutoring (or as he put it “people in place to make sure you have the answers”). He even named a football player (WR) that “graduated” with him that he nor any of his classmates ever saw “darken the door” of their building.

My son is a huge Auburn fan and for years was “cultish” in his fandom. But he busted his tail to graduate summa cum laude in his field of study. The reality is that this guy now possesses the very same degree that he does and he probably can’t spell “cat”’ even if you gave him the “C” and the “A”. In recent years, he has come to accept that many of those “student athletes” aren’t “students” at all.

I’m sure the similar circumstances take place in Tuscaloosa…. or Oxford or Gainesville….Lexington…Columbus, OH,…..Chapel Hill… and on and on.

With how it is going, Academic Progress Rates will mean nothing. The NCAA becomes more feckless each and every day.

Same as Graduation Rate in high school

 

[CB4]

Same as Graduation Rate in high school

Reminds me of when I played football in high school. We were called for “too many men of the field” TWICE in a row.

Our HC screamed at our LB (defensive captain) - “You can only have eleven players!!!!!” His response back was “we only have eleven coach!!!”

Our HC screamed back “You HAVE TO COUNT YOURSELF TOO!!!”

Our defensive captain wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[BamaNation]

sounds about right.

 

[Tideflyer]

If it doesn't cost them on the field, it won't matter to the players or their parents. It is a shame, but that's the way college football has been headed for a while. I still remember painfully well what Cardale Jones said in 2012. These players, by and large, do not go to schools like Alabama and Georgia for the education. Many have to be forced to even attend class.

Kudos to Saban for making that a requirement for a spot on his roster, and then following that up with tutoring resources to ensure that these kids make it. Because, even the talented kids that come to Alabama often never see an NFL paycheck.

Now, with NIL money, some will make more in college than they will ever make again in their lives. Times, they are a changin'.

I suspect that we will see the whole APR farce go by the wayside in the not too distant future. Who cares now? As for NIL, I think I know the answer to my question but will ask anyhow, how many of these kids actually invest or otherwise put away some of this money to help secure their futures?

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Either you take classes seriously or you don't. We know where Saban stands, and it should make us proud. My nephew was a full-academic scholarship, pre-law student at UA a few years back. He had Tua in one of his classes.

This classroom joke at Georgia is multi-generational. Back in the early '80s, when UGA had a similar run of great teams, the sainted Dooley was trucking in kids who couldn't read and basically dumping them out on the roadside when their playing days were over. It rivaled anything Dye was doing at Auburn.

Google Jan Kemp for the details.

Here's another.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Either you take classes seriously or you don't. We know where Saban stands, and it should make us proud. My nephew was a full-academic scholarship, pre-law student at UA a few years back. He had Tua in one of his classes.

This classroom joke at Georgia is multi-generational. Back in the early '80s, when UGA had a similar run of great teams, the sainted Dooley was trucking in kids who couldn't read and basically dumping them out on the roadside when their playing days were over. It rivaled anything Dye was doing at Auburn.

Google Jan Kemp for the details.

Dye was doing this same thing back in the 80s...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Dye was doing this same thing back in the 80s...

We were doing - largely - the same thing in the 1980s.

This is from January 24, 1990 in the Panama City News Herald.



The bizarre part to me, though, is the fact that Bill Curry is the one who is praised as this moral leader who would make sure the players went to class, and Curry himself admitted upon leaving that it was where they fell short overall.

I don't blame Curry, for Pete's sake, I was 18 years old in 1987 (his first year) and nobody had to take my hand and show me "this is a classroom! These are books!" But all that praising from the uh "outsiders" about how Alabama is running Curry off because they're a football factory not a university of higher achievement falls by the wayside when one looks at RESULTS...just as they did on the football field.

And to be blunt, here's an unromantic truth whether we like it or not: Nick Saban, Mr. Seven National Championships and Counting, would get fired if he had a 100% graduation rate and four straight 3-9 seasons. So would any other coach at any other big-time school.

Neither Saban nor any other coach gets six-figure bonuses for "we finished last in the SEC but all the players graduated." He gets them for "we made the post-season again."

 

[CB4]

@selmaborntidefan as it was once said “You’re not going to have 100k show up at BDS at 2:00 pm on an October Saturday to watch political science students at Alabama “debate” a group from Ole Miss”.
I remember Ray Perkins being asked about the questionable academic performance of Vince Sutton in high school, with the question being couched by the reporter in “Vince not being a great student….”

Perkins replied “Oh but he is….He is a great student of THE GAME OF FOOTBALL….”

 

[crimsonaudio]

I worked in the local hifi shops while in school (first at Kincaid, later at Long's) and got to know quite a few of the 'star athletes' of Bama at that time pretty well. While most of them were 'normal', there were a few that were obviously only in college because they were genetic-freak athletes - zero chance they would have been at UA based on academic merit...

That was 30 years ago, I doubt much has changed.

 

[bamaga]

Same as Graduation Rate in high school

Probably, but I think Nick takes education seriously. I think in Alabama’s case, and some may complain about this, academic advisors steer players into not easy gimme courses , but into courses they can actually pass. I know people make jokes about underwater basket weaving, but it makes no sense to enroll kids in a course they cant understand and have no chance of actually passing . Get your degree, you can always add to it later when you have a better academic understanding.

 

[bamaga]

I worked in the local hifi shops while in school (first at Kincaid, later at Long's) and got to know quite a few of the 'star athletes' of Bama at that time pretty well. While most of them were 'normal', there were a few that were obviously only in college because they were genetic-freak athletes - zero chance they would have been at UA based on academic merit...

That was 30 years ago, I doubt much has changed.

Long’s electronics was one of my favorite stores in the late seventies, early eighties.

 

[bamaga]

Ok, some of my UGA friends talked about this a while back. They made the excuse that Georgia is such a fine academic institution that the players have a hard time keeping up.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Probably, but I think Nick takes education seriously. I think in Alabama’s case, and some may complain about this, academic advisors steer players into not easy gimme courses , but into courses they can actually pass. I know people make jokes about underwater basket weaving, but it makes no sense to enroll kids in a course they cant understand and have no chance of actually passing . Get your degree, you can always add to it later when you have a better academic understanding.

To be fair, our numbers have gone WAY UP over the last decade.

 

[CB4]

Joe Namath once had a reporter ask him “So Joe, what was your major at Alabama? Basket weaving? “
Joe replied “Nah…. journalism. It was much, much easier….”

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Ok, some if my UGA friends talked about this a while back. They made the excuse that Georgia is such a fine academic institution that the prayers have a hard time keeping up.

Yes, and the moon is made of green cheese, too.