Alabama QBs in 2024

[irvingtontide]

Not all plays call for a deep route. There are concepts and depending on the defense alignment you put pressure on certain players at certain positions. As far as a “true competition” there was one all fall camp. Milroe got first chance coming out of fall camp. He lost to Texas and was benched for an entire game.

You say you’d have like to have seen the first week us split up evenly. If you come out of fall camp and think Milroe gives you the best chance to win, what in his 5 td performance against them with a 94 passer rating make you want to take him out in that game for?

if he struggled in that game I’m sure they would have brought the other two in earlier in the game but to bench a qb who had 5 tds in his first start is non realistic.

Do you really think any of them was truly going to struggle at home against mtsu. That was more of a show me what good plays you can execute than a let’s see where you struggle type game.

I never said every play has a deep route I said almost every play has a deep route option. With that being milroes best weapon in the passing game you are going to have it in there for an option on most passing plays. Whether that’s the WR reading the leverage of the db or not. The bigger issue was outside of the deep ball Jalen was rarely on time for the route trees always a second or two after the break which makes it harder to feature a lot of the shorter/intermediate routes.
If that was the case why didn’t we come out and name Jalen the starter and give him the bulk of 1st string reps. Would have helped build his confidence instead we split reps with the ones all fall and said the competition could go past the Texas game.

 

[Coach25]

Do you really think any of them was truly going to struggle at home against mtsu. That was more of a show me what good plays you can execute than a let’s see where you struggle type game.

I never said every play has a deep route I said almost every play has a deep route option. With that being milroes best weapon in the passing game you are going to have it in there for an option on most passing plays. Whether that’s the WR reading the leverage of the db or not. The bigger issue was outside of the deep ball Jalen was rarely on time for the route trees always a second or two after the break which makes it harder to feature a lot of the shorter/intermediate routes.
If that was the case why didn’t we come out and name Jalen the starter and give him the bulk of 1st string reps. Would have helped build his confidence instead we split reps with the ones all fall and said the competition could go past the Texas game.

No I don’t but didn’t think we would struggle with USF either. He didn’t win the starting job after MTSU just won the next start. He lost the next start in the Texas game. The other players lost the next start in the USF game.

Oh I agree his timing was not good about seeing the receiver early.But that’s why I would move the pocket more and give him more time to see the field with the possibility to run.

 

[Ledsteplin]

I just don't understand how anyone can look at last season and say he did pretty good. He did okay, but that was likely the worst QB play we had in the Saban era. Would some teams be happy with his play? Absolutely, but we're Alabama. The standard is higher here.

I don't see how anyone can say he didn't do pretty good!

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

No I don’t but didn’t think we would struggle with USF either. He didn’t win the starting job after MTSU just won the next start. He lost the next start in the Texas game. The other players lost the next start in the USF game.

Oh I agree his timing was not good about seeing the receiver early.But that’s why I would move the pocket more and give him more time to see the field with the possibility to run.

From what I witnessed, there were some players on offense determined to not let Tyler or Ty be successful in the USF game. Luckily, the defense cared and did their part, and the few players on offense who wanted to win scored enough points to get out of there with the win.

 

[HighlandOak]

They could have gotten better as well. I’m not saying that they wouldn’t have but when they had an opportunity they did not seize the bull by the horns. If Either qb would have came in and lit it up against USF we prolly would have had them the rest of the season.

USF game -
Buckner QBR - 10.4 - 5/14 - 34 yards passing
Simpson QBR - 15.1 - 5/9 - 73 yards passing

in comparison against a much better Texas team,

Texas game -
Milroe QBR - 60.1 - 14/27 - 255 yards passing

and that got him benched the next game. Not trying to argue or hurt anyone’s feelings, but you couldn’t go either either one of those qbs at that time and have the season we had.

Hard to light it up in a rain storm.

 

[HighlandOak]

I don't see how anyone can say he didn't do pretty good!

I can.

 

[Coach25]

Hard to light it up in a rain storm.

I will not put a player down on here never will, but if you think either player did anything (rain or not) in that game to deserve the next game as a starting qb, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Coach25]

From what I witnessed, there were some players on offense determined to not let Tyler or Ty be successful in the USF game. Luckily, the defense cared and did their part, and the few players on offense who wanted to win scored enough points to get out of there with the win.

Do you think Saban would have allowed that to go on and not put in backups to send a message to the players who didn’t want to let Tyler or Ty be the qb. Not a chance. To think he wouldn’t bench any player who wasn’t giving max effort is insane. That man pulled out Hurts and put in Tua in a National Title Game.

 

[gtgilbert]

I agree when you have to dial back the playbook it makes it easier to defend. also the bad snaps were killer. But to say Rees tried to run plays oto Milroe strengths I will agree to disagree. To me he was bound and determined to hit the bigger plays especially in the first half. When you are having sack after sack you have to get the ball out of his hands or at least move the pocket to change the target point for the blitzers. IMO I would have run the play action through the zone read even on throwing plays and my reason for that is the eyes of the qb are up looking at the defense during the play action. This would help him see potential blitz’s coming. He could make quick read throws and if not there you have a rb in flat or he can pull it and run. This would have slowed down the amount of time Michigan could blitz because if he caught you out of position then that could be a house call run by Milroe. Rees improved throughout the year but his last three games were not his best play calling IMO. Not blaming him for the loss just would have liked to see more in game adjustments from him.

The hot routes were there all game, just not being thrown to. That's on JM, not Rees. Also can't really call for pocket movement when your QB doesn't throw well on the move...

 

[gtgilbert]

That’s not how the zone read works and a coach would not call a true zone read without having the qb read the d end.

Exactly!

We were running plays that looked like zone reads, but not trusting the QB to make the read so were trying to determine pre-snap if it was give or keep. Why, at least according to the announcers, they'd been told by our coaches that to avoid issues with making the reads they were determining that from the sideline and calling it in. for whatever reason they didn't trust JM to make that read.

 

[Coach25]

Hard to light it up in a rain storm.

We only played 1 offensive drive in the rain. It started lightly raining with 23 seconds to go in first quarter. The second quarter started and it rained hard. We punted and they had a single first down and with 12:30 seconds to go there was a weather delay. After the delay it didn’t rain anymore for the rest of the game.

 

[gtgilbert]

No one said we ran 4 vertices every play. I said that he tried to call longer developing plays down the field. I agree he should have been benched for those 2 bad interceptions.

As to the down pour, I agree it effects the passing game, but do you think they should have pulled the other qbs and let Milroe come in? They were given the entire game.

The zone read is not only for what you run for people who have trouble reading defenses, qbs who are great athletes, qbs who have passing flaws, as well as lines who have trouble blocking, Tua ran it to perfection. If they didn’t have faith in Milroe to run a zone read he would have never stepped foot on the field at Alabama. The concepts are basic and he has to read 1 player if you run the read option and 1 player if you do a RPO the qb has to read the Mike.

Exactly again!

Yet we have a situation where our coaches told the world that they were not letting JM execute the zone read and were making that call for him from the sideline. Like you said, it's really just about the most basic read progression a QB could have to make, but our coaches were having to try to do that for him...

 

[gtgilbert]

He lit them up with his legs. 219/155 from him would have been good enough to beat most teams, including Michigan, but one of his problems is that he thinks he's a pocket passer.

Yes, but doing that is not really indicative of progressing toward being an effective QB and developing in the areas that need to be developed.

 

[gtgilbert]

I watched all the games.
Did you ever see Milroe change a play call at the line on his own without looking to the sideline?
because I didn’t see him do that once, nor should he because he did have trouble pre snap reads. Milroe didn’t choose the routes he chose which route he threw to.

Post the bye week, the passing attack shifted to more of a flood concept to simplify the read progressions. On most plays there were short routes, or at least intermediate routes in the progression. There were some exceptions to this because our opponents figured out that JM wasn't going to be hitting quick passes, even when open so they adjusted the coverages a bit, to bait us into situations they'd then know how to defend better..

So saying Milroe chose what route to throw to is correct, but the other posters are correct in that very often there were shorter and intermediate routes WIDE open, but JM wouldn't/couldn't/didn't make that read/throw so ended up with only the longer routes available in the progression. Rees gave him the options, he just didn't execute them.

 

[gtgilbert]

I don't see how anyone can say he didn't do pretty good!

because it was one of the worst passing years in the last 10 seasons...

 

[Coach25]

Exactly!

We were running plays that looked like zone reads, but not trusting the QB to make the read so were trying to determine pre-snap if it was give or keep. Why, at least according to the announcers, they'd been told by our coaches that to avoid issues with making the reads they were determining that from the sideline and calling it in. for whatever reason they didn't trust JM to make that read.

You act as ifJaylen can’t look at a defensive end and see if he is crashing. I can take any player on our high school team and run the zone read. To think he isn’t smart enough to do to at is an insult to him. I don’t care what some announcer says. The thought that a college team especially a team like Alabama can’t teach a player to read a d end is absurd.

Now to tell him which route they want him to look to first and throw is completely different and while highly unlikely they told him to only throw to a predetermined route no matter what seems far fetched.

If that is really the case then I am super excited that Rees is gone and hope we never hire him back at Alabama because that is a foolish way to call plays (which he didn’t) and he wouldn’t have won 7 games much less 12 games.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I agree when you have to dial back the playbook it makes it easier to defend. also the bad snaps were killer. But to say Rees tried to run plays oto Milroe strengths I will agree to disagree. To me he was bound and determined to hit the bigger plays especially in the first half. When you are having sack after sack you have to get the ball out of his hands or at least move the pocket to change the target point for the blitzers. IMO I would have run the play action through the zone read even on throwing plays and my reason for that is the eyes of the qb are up looking at the defense during the play action. This would help him see potential blitz’s coming. He could make quick read throws and if not there you have a rb in flat or he can pull it and run. This would have slowed down the amount of time Michigan could blitz because if he caught you out of position then that could be a house call run by Milroe. Rees improved throughout the year but his last three games were not his best play calling IMO. Not blaming him for the loss just would have liked to see more in game adjustments from him.

He can't do the zone read to fool anybody. Saban and Rees took the zone read away from him because he couldnt run it right. They had a spy on him every play and took the QB runs out. Rees called in plays with quick read throws but the problem is he can't read defenses quick and many times can't read them at all. So I'm not sure what else Rees was supposed to do. There are hot reads built into a lot of the pass plays we ran but unfortunately JM didn't use them because he couldn't recognize the defense quick enough to know to throw to it. Again, what was Rees supposed to do?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

You act as ifJaylen can’t look at a defensive end and see if he is crashing. I can take any player on our high school team and run the zone read. To think he isn’t smart enough to do to at is an insult to him. I don’t care what some announcer says. The thought that a college team especially a team like Alabama can’t teach a player to read a d end is absurd.

Now to tell him which route they want him to look to first and throw is completely different and while highly unlikely they told him to only throw to a predetermined route no matter what seems far fetched.

If that is really the case then I am super excited that Rees is gone and hope we never hire him back at Alabama because that is a foolish way to call plays (which he didn’t) and he wouldn’t have won 7 games much less 12 games.

He couldn't read a DE and they tried to teach him, but he couldn't consistently make the right read to let him do it . My god this was disclosed in a nationally televised game, how did you not know that? They tried to coach it, he just couldn't get it.

 

[Coach25]

Post the bye week, the passing attack shifted to more of a flood concept to simplify the read progressions. On most plays there were short routes, or at least intermediate routes in the progression. There were some exceptions to this because our opponents figured out that JM wasn't going to be hitting quick passes, even when open so they adjusted the coverages a bit, to bait us into situations they'd then know how to defend better..

So saying Milroe chose what route to throw to is correct, but the other posters are correct in that very often there were shorter and intermediate routes WIDE open, but JM wouldn't/couldn't/didn't make that read/throw so ended up with only the longer routes available in the progression. Rees gave him the options, he just didn't execute them.

Oh I agree there were a lot of games where didn’t see open players. Your progressions don’t go from short to deep. It’s more of the opposite. If you have a deep route then you are hoping the safety either bites up on an underneath route which opens up the long ball or that your player runs the safety out of the area for a shorter route. Your progression goes from the player and route you want to get the ball to the person who should be open if he or that route is covered.

On the fact of if there were so many Wide open then why didn’t Rees step in and say no more deep balls annd take out the deep ball routes if they were taking them away and only throw to the wide open underneath routes. He didn’t. He continued to do what he did before the bye week. He’s the offense coordinator he controlled the offense.

I know a lot of people aren’t happy that Milroe won the Qb job but a lot of people hold Rees play calling in really high regard? This is the same man who called a run up the middle instead of a flood out run pass option for the last play of our season. Yes bad snap but not a good play call period.

 

[Coach25]

He couldn't read a DE and they tried to teach him, but he couldn't consistently make the right read to let him do it . My god this was disclosed in a nationally televised game, how did you not know that? They tried to coach it, he just couldn't get it.

By an announcer… Buzzard I have the upmost respect for you and we will just have to disagree. I just feel like anyone that is smart enough and talented enough to become the qb at a power 5 school is smart enough to read the d-end.