Bad cop, good cop stories, III

92tide

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Cops are violently arresting protestors--video shows one with his knee on a protestors head. An econ professor asks what they're doing. They drag her to the grass, shove her down, and arrest her for police battery.

guvnuh foghorn fratboy (and i'm assuming marty and the girls) is sending out his shock troops to let everyone know what's up
 

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Those arrests have sparked backlash from numerous free speech experts, as violence was not reported at the demonstration.

“The image I’ve seen from the University of Texas appears to be a disproportionate response to what the images suggest were a peaceful protest. And when you’re using preemptive government force against people who are protesting and not engaging in violence, then you err on the wrong side,” Corn-Revere said.
Free speech folks across the states seem fairly quiet these days.
 
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Cops go to wrong apartment, kill USAF airman

so let me see if I got this right. these idiot cops went to the wrong address, knocked and did not identify themselves, knocked harder and again did not identify themselves, and then busted in a shot the guy because he had a gun. did not yell freeze or drop the weapon, just shot him. and there is FaceTime proof of all of this.
 

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so let me see if I got this right. these idiot cops went to the wrong address, knocked and did not identify themselves, knocked harder and again did not identify themselves, and then busted in a shot the guy because he had a gun. did not yell freeze or drop the weapon, just shot him. and there is FaceTime proof of all of this.
Until there are real consequences for police who do this it will never stop.
 

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To clarify--the woman who was facetiming Fortson when the shooting happened has stated that the police must have gone to the wrong house.

The police haven't said a word.

Also, this is the same sheriff's office that employed the deputy that opened up on a handcuffed suspect because an acorn fell on the car. Make of that what you will.
 

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Cops go to wrong apartment, kill USAF airman

This is the case of a lie being halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. He was at the apartment he was supposed to be. He didn’t burst in. He announced.

The airman whipped the door open with a gun in plain view. The deputy reacted. Badly maybe, but I’m a little more charitable than most. The second someone whips a door open and the first thing I see is a deadly weapon, I assume they intend to use it. Police are not automatons. They are human beings. He was responding to a domestic disturbance call. A gun came into play.

It’s all a big dumb machine that eats fear and craps tragedy.
 

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so let me see if I got this right. these idiot cops went to the wrong address, knocked and did not identify themselves, knocked harder and again did not identify themselves, and then busted in a shot the guy because he had a gun. did not yell freeze or drop the weapon, just shot him. and there is FaceTime proof of all of this.
Nope. Practically every bit of that narrative was a lie.
 

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Well meaning people make mistakes. Criminalizing that will only make things worse.
When I said "held accountable" I was thinking more along the lines of including this as a bigger factor in the incident as it's being reported. I realize it's already a part of the story - but shouldn't her role in the whole thing be more of the story? At the very least with emphasis on consequences when someone calls 9-1-1 when they didn't need to or shouldn't have?

Not apples to apples exactly, but it's why we don't yell "Fire!" in a theater - unless there really is a fire.


Maybe I don't have my facts straight here....did I understand that she called because of something that happened two weeks prior?
 

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Roger Fortson,: Florida sheriff releases bodycam video of airman fatally shot in apartment, disputes family’s claim deputy went to wrong unit | CNN
The bodycam footage, dated May 3, begins at roughly 4:28 p.m. with a deputy arriving at what appears to be an apartment complex.

A woman at the complex is heard telling the deputy there was a disturbance in apartment 1401 and that it was “getting out of hand.”

The same woman tells the deputy she previously walked by the apartment and heard yells and “a slap,” but added she wasn’t sure where it came from.

The deputy takes the elevator to the fourth floor and knocks on a door three times. The apartment number “1401” is visible in the footage. He announces himself twice, saying, “Sheriff’s office, open the door.” There is nothing heard on the footage from inside the apartment.
Doesn't appear to have happened 2 weeks prior. I think there were mistakes by all involved, including the lady from the leasing office who met the officer.

The fact that she wasn't sure should have given the officer pause IMO. If you are going to call the cops and accuse someone of something, then that cop is going to go in guns blazing, you have got to know 100% you have the right apartment. "Not sure where it came from" doesn't cut it IMO. Officer should have said "well until you know for sure we can't do anything."

Answering the door with a gun in your hand was dumb. I don't know why that is getting a pass by most folks. Cops are humans as well and if someone answers the door armed it is going to freak most people out. He did not give much time between "step back" and firing for the guy to do much of anything. He didn't say "drop the gun" until the guy hit the ground.

This is why I say everyone messed up. The lady not being 100% sure, the airman for answering the door armed and the officer not giving him enough time to respond to his step back command or the late drop the gun command.
 
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Roger Fortson,: Florida sheriff releases bodycam video of airman fatally shot in apartment, disputes family’s claim deputy went to wrong unit | CNN


Doesn't appear to have happened 2 weeks prior. I think there were mistakes by all involved, including the lady from the leasing office who met the officer.

The fact that she wasn't sure should have given the officer pause IMO. If you are going to call the cops and accuse someone of something, then that cop is going to go in guns blazing, you have got to know 100% you have the right apartment. "Not sure where it came from" doesn't cut it IMO. Officer should have said "well until you know for sure we can't do anything."

Answering the door with a gun in your hand was dumb. I don't know why that is getting a pass by most folks. Cops are humans as well and if someone answers the door armed it is going to freak most people out. He did not give much time between "step back" and firing for the guy to do much of anything. He didn't say "drop the gun" until the guy hit the ground.

This is why I say everyone messed up. The lady not being 100% sure, the airman for answering the door armed and the officer not giving him enough time to respond to his step back command or the late drop the gun command.
 
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When you are the professional, the police, everybody else messing up is no excuse.
Police are still human. As long as things remain way they are this will continue to happen. They’re not automatons like ED-209. They’re gonna make calls that, with the benefit of hindsight, are wrong.

Welcome to a world where people can employ deadly force on a whim.
 

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