Presidential debate #2, Sept. 10, 2024 at 9pm ET - televised on various networks

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I also kind of get the impression that those people kind of want attention. Like "Look at me, I'm an undecided voter, but then some of these people start talking and you realize they probably made a decision a while back because they're obviously biased towards one candidate"
Similar to the "both-sides-ers". "Look at me. I'm better than you. I won't be fooled by the usual folks. I'll be fooled by people who are much more detached from reality and crazier and with even worse motivations instead! There is no hope. I give up on participation in the system."
 

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I also kind of get the impression that those people kind of want attention. Like "Look at me, I'm an undecided voter, but then some of these people start talking and you realize they probably made a decision a while back because they're obviously biased towards one candidate"
performative cynicism and above-it-all non-committal sells well
 

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Similar to the "both-sides-ers". "Look at me. I'm better than you. I won't be fooled by the usual folks. I'll be fooled by people who are much more detached from reality and crazier and with even worse motivations instead! There is no hope. I give up on participation in the system."
I used to get frustrated and disappointed in those that can’t make a choice but I’ve decided it’s prolly best they sit it out.
 

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Trump refuses to commit to 2nd debate with Harris -- saying she wants to because she lost
"She wants a second debate because she lost tonight, very badly," Trump said.
That's funny since Trump won the debate against Biden and by the next day was asking for another debate. I guess he was really the loser then since only losers want to debate again.

I also find it funny how he is trying to convince people he won the debate while also saying it was rigged. If he was the real winner then I guess it was rigged in his favor.

Dude just can't handle a loss. Like I said before, he's just like an Auburn fan, they never lose, the other team just pays off the officials.
 

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I also find it funny how he is trying to convince people he won the debate while also saying it was rigged.
He takes this approach over and over. Same with Jan6 and many other things. Say a little of what everyone wants to hear and let them decide which parts to throw away and which parts to cling to. People can create their own reality like one of those books where you choose the next step, but the outcome is always the same no matter what with him.
 

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This video showed up in my feed yesterday. Surprising to say the least. Watch one minute if interested and see if you believe if these viewpoints show up in the major polls.

 

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After the hell Haitians have been through on their country…for Trump to deliberately put a target on their backs the way he has is truly evil.

Where is his evangelical base? They will swallow anything he feeds them.
it is also serving the purpose of creating suspicion around black folks in general
 

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performative cynicism and above-it-all non-committal sells well
I saw that a lot from people who abandoned Bush 43 after he wrecked the economy. You know, the people who swore that they voted for the Constitutional Party in 2004.

Seeing it a lot now among those that you know good and well that they voted for Trump both times, and probably will pull the lever again.
 

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I saw that a lot from people who abandoned Bush 43 after he wrecked the economy. You know, the people who swore that they voted for the Constitutional Party in 2004.

Seeing it a lot now among those that you know good and well that they voted for Trump both times, and probably will pull the lever again.
it was pretty much the norm among a whole lot of callers to boortz’ talk radio show in the 90s and early aughts
 
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Luntz delivers the news on this


and I just love this line

“Donald Trump reminds women of their first husband’s divorce lawyer,” he said. “That is just absolutely disastrous.”
there are apparently a lot of folks who see being an obnoxious, raging, d-bag as a higher calling and unfortunately they have a massive feedback mechanism supporting them in their endeavors
 

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I dont think there are any independent or swing voters to speak of that will move the needle. I think it is more for Trump who actually shows up to vote for him as opposed to just staying home. There are not 70 million people in his base. Its something less than that. There are a bunch people who wont ever vote for a democratic candidate but cant bring themselves to vote for Trump either.

The excitement to vote for their candidate resides with the Democrats.
 

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I really think its time for the Democrats to attack Trump with a slew of ads asking him who is in his base.

"Donald just exactly who is still in your base?"

- 60 million people watched our debate the other night.
- 70% of the public wants Roe v Wade restored.
- 70% of the country wants improved gun control measures for improved safety from mass shootings in schools, grocery stores, and churches.
- Taylor Swift has endorsed Harris and encouraged her fans to register and vote.
- XX million people are insured under Obamacare while we have been waiting 10 years for you to come up with a better concept.
- Who in your base actually believes or has experienced their child is going to school as a girl and coming home a boy?
- Who in your base is okay that you are publicly courting the attention of a childless cat lady, Laura Loomer, that is devoutly racist and conjures conspiracy theories who has damaged her body with so many abortions she can no longer have children?
- Who in your base benefited from your $5T tax cut when you were last president?
- Who in your base believes our lost veterans are losers and suckers?

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