2024 Presidential Election IX

[Bamaro]

I dont know of a mathematical scenario where a Democrat wins EC but loses popular vote. I think that dichotomy only resides with Republicans.

Until Bush nobody expected it to realistically happen again, in either direction. I dont expect it to happen this time but it is so close that anything is possible this year.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

It shouldn't be too difficult to present an acceptable alternative to something like trump. She is failing to do this.

She’s in an impossible situation because she’s actually a part of the current administration, which by and large, most Americans are unhappy with. She can’t throw Joe under the bus because he has too many loyalists about and she can’t promise “more of the same.”

 

[JDCrimson]

For people with any character not being Trump ought to be enough for voting for Harris. Its enough for me.

I agree. Trump is a despicable human being, and because of that, a highly vulnerable candidate. True, about 30% - 40% of the voters will go for him no matter what. But about that number would never vote for him under any circumstances. Which means the middle 20% or so who either can't countenance Trump, or who really do split their votes among both parties, are begging for an alternative.

Harris isn't providing that. In fact, the only thing I can see she's running on is that she's not Donald Trump. Which is a nice start, but it's not enough to win.

She's backed away from some of the far-left positions she took when she ran for President. But she hasn't done so with conviction, and she really hasn't articulated replacement positions. So there's a lot of question as to whether she truly has tacked to center at all. Maybe she has. Maybe she hasn't. Why won't she tell us?

As a result, we don't know where she stands on much of anything except she's not Donald Trump and she's in favor of abortion. Even there, we don't know if she's in favor up to the moment of birth, even a full-term healthy 8.5 months in, or if there would be a point in the pregnancy beyond which she would not be in favor.

I'm not trying to debate abortion here. I'm pointing out Kamala Harris's lack of unequivocally-stated positions.

The 2024 version of Donald Trump is the most unelectable candidate the Republicans could have nominated. Yet Harris can't or won't give us a clear vision of who she is beyond her middle class childhood, she's in favor of "joy" (on which even the press rolled its collective eyes), and she's not Donald Trump.

As a result, a race that really shouldn't be all that competitive is currently too close to call.

 

[Bama75&80]

This is from Marine Corps General and former Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff Mark Milley:
Trump is ‘fascist to the core,’ Milley says in Woodward book
The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says Trump is “the most dangerous person to this country,” echoing dire warnings of others in national security circles.
I just can't understand voting for someone like that after our fathers fought against them in WWII.

 

[92tide]

For people with any character not being Trump ought to be enough for voting for Harris. Its enough for me.

but she hasn't personally called you and explained her positions in detail

 

[UAH]

I agree. Trump is a despicable human being, and because of that, a highly vulnerable candidate. True, about 30% - 40% of the voters will go for him no matter what. But about that number would never vote for him under any circumstances. Which means the middle 20% or so who either can't countenance Trump, or who really do split their votes among both parties, are begging for an alternative.

Harris isn't providing that. In fact, the only thing I can see she's running on is that she's not Donald Trump. Which is a nice start, but it's not enough to win.

She's backed away from some of the far-left positions she took when she ran for President. But she hasn't done so with conviction, and she really hasn't articulated replacement positions. So there's a lot of question as to whether she truly has tacked to center at all. Maybe she has. Maybe she hasn't. Why won't she tell us?

As a result, we don't know where she stands on much of anything except she's not Donald Trump and she's in favor of abortion. Even there, we don't know if she's in favor up to the moment of birth, even a full-term healthy 8.5 months in, or if there would be a point in the pregnancy beyond which she would not be in favor.

I'm not trying to debate abortion here. I'm pointing out Kamala Harris's lack of unequivocally-stated positions.

The 2024 version of Donald Trump is the most unelectable candidate the Republicans could have nominated. Yet Harris can't or won't give us a clear vision of who she is beyond her middle class childhood, she's in favor of "joy" (on which even the press rolled its collective eyes), and she's not Donald Trump.

As a result, a race that really shouldn't be all that competitive is currently too close to call.

I just watched this 30 min. ago about Bob Woodward and General Milley's comments to him.

I don't believe that Kamala is as knowledgeable or clear on economics as she needs to be. There are people close to her that believe that she may lose it all due to her lack of deciveness or agressiveness when she is given a question that needs to be hit out of the park.

I agree that Trump is the most dangerous man in the world for a number of reasons and that should exclude him from office. Kamala will not do harm to the country.

 

[NationalTitles18]

I don't think it's a matter of convincing people to leave Trump. It's about getting those who are apathetic or discouraged about the options to actually vote for her. She has to increase turnout in order to win. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.

I don’t know what she is supposed to do to attract completely recalcitrant people.

 

[92tide]

I don’t know what she is supposed to do to attract completely recalcitrant people.

somehow, the burden is almost always on democrats to "convince" people

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1845578372337872934

Trump: I will rescue Arizona and every town that has been invaded and conquered. They’ve been conquered. They’re conquering the towns.

 

[92tide]

both sides

Trump Suggests Sending Military After U.S. Citizens

Donald Trump suggested sending the military after U.S. citizens on Election Day, The Independent reports.Said Trump: “I don’t think immigrants are the problem in terms of election day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical l

politicalwire.com

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1845581722181636261

Trump: "I will invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Can you imagine? Those were the old days when they had tough politicians, have to go back that long. Think of that, 1798. Oh, it's a powerful act. You couldn't pass something like that today."

 

[92tide]

but it's ok because he's saying to black folks

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844866402982797644

Trump asks, "Do you want the black president or the white president?"

 

[NationalTitles18]

both sides

Trump Suggests Sending Military After U.S. Citizens

Donald Trump suggested sending the military after U.S. citizens on Election Day, The Independent reports.Said Trump: “I don’t think immigrants are the problem in terms of election day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical l

politicalwire.com

They're exactly the same even though only one wants to send the NG or military after US citizens.

I have thoughts and words for people who actually think this way, but can't say them here. (and even though some get to act with impunity)

 

[Bama75&80]

They're exactly the same even though only one wants to send the NG or military after US citizens.

I have thoughts and words for people who actually think this way, but can't say them here. (and even though some get to act with impunity)

No one can be surprised if this clown gets elected and does exactly what he's been saying.

 

[Huckleberry]

No one can be surprised if this clown gets elected and does exactly what he's been saying.

They won't mind. At least trans inmates won't get medical care. That's what's important.

 

[Its On A Slab]

The biggest lie that many of us hold as Gospel truth is that the EC protects the rights of small states.

When in reality, every presidential election comes down to 6-8 swing states. Which is why you are seeing beaucoup $$$ spent in PA, WI, GA, AZ, MI right now.

Republicans haven't won a fair election (majority of the votes) since 2004. And if you go back further, since 1988, 7 out of the past 8 presidential elections.

 

[Huckleberry]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/us/fema-helene-north-carolina-reported-threats

Some FEMA operations paused in North Carolina after reports National Guard troops saw ‘armed militia’ threatening them

Aid to several communities impacted by Hurricane Helene was temporarily paused in parts of North Carolina over the weekend due to reports of threats against Federal Emergency Management Agency responders, amid a backdrop of misinformation about responses to recent storms.

Some FEMA teams helping disaster survivors apply for assistance in rural North Carolina are currently working at secure disaster recovery centers in counties where federal workers are receiving threats, a FEMA spokesperson told CNN on Monday.


This is a direct result of the continuing disinformation campaign being carried out by Trump and many of his crazier followers.

 

[NationalTitles18]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/us/fema-helene-north-carolina-reported-threats

Some FEMA operations paused in North Carolina after reports National Guard troops saw ‘armed militia’ threatening them

Aid to several communities impacted by Hurricane Helene was temporarily paused in parts of North Carolina over the weekend due to reports of threats against Federal Emergency Management Agency responders, amid a backdrop of misinformation about responses to recent storms.

Some FEMA teams helping disaster survivors apply for assistance in rural North Carolina are currently working at secure disaster recovery centers in counties where federal workers are receiving threats, a FEMA spokesperson told CNN on Monday.


This is a direct result of the continuing disinformation campaign being carried out by Trump and many of his crazier followers.

Stupidity has consequences.

Unfortunately, it's not always on the stupid.

 

[92tide]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/us/fema-helene-north-carolina-reported-threats

Some FEMA operations paused in North Carolina after reports National Guard troops saw ‘armed militia’ threatening them

Aid to several communities impacted by Hurricane Helene was temporarily paused in parts of North Carolina over the weekend due to reports of threats against Federal Emergency Management Agency responders, amid a backdrop of misinformation about responses to recent storms.

Some FEMA teams helping disaster survivors apply for assistance in rural North Carolina are currently working at secure disaster recovery centers in counties where federal workers are receiving threats, a FEMA spokesperson told CNN on Monday.


This is a direct result of the continuing disinformation campaign being carried out by Trump and many of his crazier followers.

but the memes are just so good for the lulz /s

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I agree. Trump is a despicable human being, and because of that, a highly vulnerable candidate. True, about 30% - 40% of the voters will go for him no matter what. But about that number would never vote for him under any circumstances. Which means the middle 20% or so who either can't countenance Trump, or who really do split their votes among both parties, are begging for an alternative.

Harris isn't providing that. In fact, the only thing I can see she's running on is that she's not Donald Trump. Which is a nice start, but it's not enough to win.

She's backed away from some of the far-left positions she took when she ran for President. But she hasn't done so with conviction, and she really hasn't articulated replacement positions. So there's a lot of question as to whether she truly has tacked to center at all. Maybe she has. Maybe she hasn't. Why won't she tell us?

As a result, we don't know where she stands on much of anything except she's not Donald Trump and she's in favor of abortion. Even there, we don't know if she's in favor up to the moment of birth, even a full-term healthy 8.5 months in, or if there would be a point in the pregnancy beyond which she would not be in favor.

I'm not trying to debate abortion here. I'm pointing out Kamala Harris's lack of unequivocally-stated positions.

The 2024 version of Donald Trump is the most unelectable candidate the Republicans could have nominated. Yet Harris can't or won't give us a clear vision of who she is beyond her middle class childhood, she's in favor of "joy" (on which even the press rolled its collective eyes), and she's not Donald Trump.

As a result, a race that really shouldn't be all that competitive is currently too close to call.

I think she's made it clear that she wants to revert to Roe...