The Democratic Party is at a Crossroads

[AlexanderFan]

Takes a lot of projection to think those things if no one you love is affected by transgressions on the rights you mention above.

It is obvious many more voters preferred Trump. That will be unfortunate for us all.

Giving the citizens of the individual states the power to decide abortion within their own state lines is one of the fundamental principles of the Constitution.

You don’t think biological women are affected by getting beat by a biological man in women’s sports?

 

[NationalTitles18]

Giving the citizens of the individual states the power to decide abortion within their own state lines is one of the fundamental principles of the Constitution.

You don’t think biological women are affected by getting beat by a biological man in women’s sports?

Yeah, I'm not going to take the bait with the change in subject.

And no, I do not believe that fundamental rights are to be determined by the majority of each state or their elected representatives.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

On another thread, I listed the things that are important to my wife's community. I imagine the list is very similar for a lot of successful immigrant communities. These concerns are at odds with what the Dems stand for. Instead of adjusting the party platform to be more appealing to these voters, or at least taking a stance of respectful disagreement, my wife and other Asian Americans are accused of ... white supremacy. It's practically an automated response.

Yeah, the "white folks" didn't win the election for Trump. The immigrant communities and African American males won it for him as they did the last time. But the fascination of the "white male" being what's wrong with everything in America blinded them to a path to win.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Yeah, I'm not going to take the bait with the change in subject.

And no, I do not believe that fundamental rights are to be determined by the majority of each state or their elected representatives.

What bait? That’s what happened to abortion.

Life, Liberty, pursuit of happiness are the only fundamental rights, the rest are up to legal interpretation.

 

[dtgreg]

The majority of the country is hurting from higher prices. The monopoly-owning billionaires coluded to raise them; record stock profits, no trickle-down. Biden could have abandoned constitutional government and lowered them by executive order. That would have helped our enemies (those who oppose freedom). It also would have tanked the stock market. Destroying jobs. He took an incremental approach. There have been zero concrete realistic proposals as to what a law-abiding president could have done better.

Most folks can barely read or write, if at all. They cannot reason. They have never been through a Great Depression. Those working poor who have had it rough can easily be excused. We have failed them, although they have consistantly voted against poverty programs and workers rights. Why, I wonder?

Mostly I'm hearing "How dare you hurt my feelings for voting with the party that says they're going to do bad things to people?" Well, we're going to get what the majority voted for. Not enough "nose holders". I'm a liberal like I don't see that often in the wild. I like AOC because she doesn't take corporate money. At least that's what she claims. Still, I would have voted for Dick Cheney if I thought he wouldn't trash the constitution. Too late now.

I remember the Republicans squealing as Bill Clinton left office about the Clinton Foundation and how that would give them cover to take foreign (Chinese) money for Hillary's inevitable campaign. I can blame myself for being cool with that as a counterweight to the GOP stranglehold on Billionaire donations. Still, they didn't try to prosecute the Clintons for it and didn't really want to when they saw all that sweet, sweet cash coming in and realized they could do the same. Even in 2014 the GOP leadership thought they could never be controlled by Russia. They learned better. Had I voted for Romney and he were elected, maybe he could have cleaned up the Russian trash. I was warned by him; I thought he was delusional. Russia had been defeated, the Berlin Wall had fallen and they had the economy of Mexico on a good day. I didn't believe their KGB tactics could work on us. I was so naive.

Anyway, it's over. No going back. 30 sheckles and all that.

 

[NationalTitles18]

What bait? That’s what happened to abortion.

Life, Liberty, pursuit of happiness are the only fundamental rights, the rest are up to legal interpretation.

The bait was in the last sentence/question.

Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness appear nowhere in the Constitution.

Are these rights implied?

ETA: Life, liberty, and property do appear in the 14th Amendment, which explicitly protects the people from the state encroaching on their liberties. I was mistaken with my original statement, but this further solidifies my argument against the state encroaching on the rights of the people by the tyranny of the majority.

 

[Its On A Slab]

So you really do believe that the country is racist and misogynistic.

I believe to posit otherwise would dishonest.

 

[Its On A Slab]

It's far easier to call the public racists and garbage and morons than for the Dems to admit that they aren't nearly as smart or wise or noble as they claim to be.

And then there are the libertarians and "Constitutional Party" members who are smart, wise, noble as can be. Just ask them,. They are here today.

 

[pelleas]

Yeah, the "white folks" didn't win the election for Trump. The immigrant communities and African American males won it for him as they did the last time. But the fascination of the "white male" being what's wrong with everything in America blinded them to a path to win.

This fact is probably the most interesting of the election for me: the multiracial consensus in Trump's direction. It directly rebuts the Democrat claim that they have a monopoly on caring for minorities. I don't think Trump will necessarily be what African-, Asian-, and Latin Americans are looking for, but he might give them some of what they're looking for, now that they've voted for him, in the way that he has given the Christian right some of what it asked him to deliver. Someone who doesn't have an ideology other than selfishness can be kind of up for hire.

In short, Kamala did not convince racial minorities that she was the candidate for them, despite Trump being the other candidate. And that is utterly interesting.

 

[Bodhisattva]

And then there are the libertarians and "Constitutional Party" members who are smart, wise, noble as can be. Just ask them,. They are here today.

Hmm ... I recall many libertarians/moderates/conservatives on this board calling out the stupid policies of the Democrat and Republican parties and political leaders. Both sides. The default among the left here is to only be critical on the GOP. "My tribe is awesome, your tribe sucks." Many prominent leftist posters here go beyond that and get their "likes" by insulting individuals who do not vote like them. For years, non-leftists have been called fascists/Nazis/garbage/scumbags/morons/etc. If that attitude toward the general public is writ large (and it appears to be), no wonder the voting public told the left to go pound sand.

 

[spidermayin]

I'll address the original post and say this. The democrats need to find a candidate for the 2028 election that is more charismatic and a great speaker. They basically need to find another Barack Obama type candidate that is more likeable to a broader audience. Although a good many people in this country isn't openly racist, I would say there still exists a lot of unconscious bias.

I know Biden made the gaffe about the garbage comment, but other than that, I wasn't hearing anyone in the Harris campaign calling Trump voters Nazis and Racists.

 

[pelleas]

Just my two cents, but I beliee that you'd have to be intentionally obtuse if you tried to posit that race and gender weren't Kamala's two biggest weaknesses.

All this election did was reaffirm this.

This claim is puzzling to me--not the gender bit but the race bit. Didn't Trump win because the Republicans successfully built a multiethnic coalition?

 

[Oregon Tide]

Half of America voted on two issues: inflation and immigration

Even states that went red for Trump still voted to protect rights to abortion, etc (typically Democratic platform stances)

 

[TexasBama]

I'll address the original post and say this. The democrats need to find a candidate for the 2028 election that is more charismatic and a great speaker. They basically need to find another Barack Obama type candidate that is more likeable to a broader audience. Although a good many people in this country isn't openly racist, I would say there still exists a lot of unconscious bias.

I know Biden made the gaffe about the garbage comment, but other than that, I wasn't hearing anyone in the Harris campaign calling Trump voters Nazis and Racists.

If the democrats are smart they'll start working towards Shapiro and/or Moore for 2028. But they won't do that.

 

[TexasBama]

If all the leads hold, the Republicans will have a 223-212 majority in the house.

 

[Bamaro]

Many democrats and several on here believe overall that America is a racist, bigoted country. It's been repeated on this board by a handful of posters for years. Yet I'm reading posts from people who have believed that about the country for years in "shock" as to why the majority of the country didn't vote for Harris and voted for Trump.

If you want to know why Trump beat Harris just listen to your own words.

1.Trump is a racist, bigot, misogynist, etc.

2. The country is mostly made up of racists and bigots

3. Hmmm, I wonder who the bigots and racists are going to vote for?

So why is everyone from the left shocked? Geeze, seriously, if "you" already thought the country was mainly bigots and racist to begin with, then why would the bigots and racists vote for "your" party? This isn't hard. It's obvious why the Democratic party didn't win. It's simple math.

1. trump IS "a racist, bigot, misogynist, etc."
2. The country is NOT MOSTLY made up of racists and bigots
3. Most racists, bigots, misogynists, etc. voted for trump, not Harris

 

[Bamaro]

Half of America voted on two issues: inflation and immigration

And I doubt the average voter has much of a clue about what causes inflatation.

 

[Its On A Slab]

And I doubt the average voter has much of a clue about what causes inflatation.

Or why inflation happened/happens in the 1st place. Root cause is pretty much out of the mindset of most voters. I remember Bill Clinton bashing Bush 41 for his economy, when the country had already had two consecutive positive quarters coming out of the 1991 recession. And it worked. People believed the subterfuge.

Right now, we have historic low unemployment, and a vibrant stock market, and an inflation rate of 2.14%. Yet the notion that our economy is in the toilet resonated amongst people who are easily misinformed. Egg prices are "high", and it's all the President's fault. No matter the reasons. I work in agribusiness, and I know 1st-hand the effect it had on egg supply.

The same with the bugbear of immigration. When a bipartisan immigration bill was poop-canned by Trump so it would make Democrats look soft on immigration. And the scary scary immigrants are murderers and rapist memes that never went unchallenged.

People that don't see the horizon. All they see is what is in their midst. And they act for specious reasons because they don't bother to be better informed.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

1. trump IS "a racist, bigot, misogynist, etc."
2. The country is NOT MOSTLY made up of racists and bigots
3. Most racists, bigots, misogynists, etc. voted for trump, not Harris

We agree on #1 & #2. But I have no doubt that racists and bigots are also in Harris' group as well. No way there isn't. Just the sheer numbers tell me that. No way in hell with that many people you don't have them. No way.

 

[spidermayin]

Giving the citizens of the individual states the power to decide abortion within their own state lines is one of the fundamental principles of the Constitution.

You don’t think biological women are affected by getting beat by a biological man in women’s sports?

Would you be fine with states deciding gun ownership rights? Because the ability the own a gun is so much more important than holding domain over your own body right?