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[TexasBama]

I had an event to go to last night, and missed the last three quarters, to my benefit.
DeBoer mentioned “uncharacteristic” errors is his presser. We’ve seen these errors before, so I don’t they’re uncharacteristic.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

I've been pressing for around a decade. Over-reliance on the QB is a major issue along with inability to establish a reliable running game.

The other thing I would say is the situation is different for whom? Oklahoma recognized they were going to have trouble passing the ball so they compensated by stuffing the ball down Alabama's throat, even when Alabama knew they were going to run the ball. Alabama let a 3 star running back have more yards and more TDs and he's had in his entire career.

This is something Alabama has forgotten how to do, but they darn sure used to be able to do it.

Run da ball has been relegated to the dustbin

 

[CB4]

Can’t wait for CKD in his Monday presser to tell me how he’s “coached in big, meaningful rivalry games like the Iron Bowl”. They played this game called “The Apple Cup” against Washington State. That should make me feel better about next Saturday……

 

[RammerJammer15]

Come on, stop bashing on JM . Criticize his play all you want, the rest can go unsaid.

This.

His play deserves to be criticized but to attack his character like you know him personally as if he’s this evil mastermind holding a program hostage is a bit much, cause if you honestly believe that then we might as well shut the program down tomorrow. He hasn’t gotten in trouble one time, always says the right things in the media, etc, he just isn’t a great QB, and that’s okay, we won’t always have great QBs at Alabama.

 

[81usaf92]

Let's take a look at two box scores.

6/11 passing for 58 yards
51 rushes for 205 yards

9/12 for 68 yards
50 rushes for 257 yards

The first was Alabama in in the 2009 championship game against Texas.
The second was Oklahoma against Alabama last night. Neither game was close.

Yeah but what you are missing is a once in a lifetime pick six to end a half, and we weren’t throwing pick sixes or setting Texas up with prime real estate in the 2nd half.

We lost because Milroe dug us into a hole to start the 2nd half. Yes our defense was a mess but there is a huge difference from punting down 10-3 with 12 remaining in the 3rd and getting the ball back down 24-3 with 12 remaining in the 3rd.

 

[colbysullivan]

Over-reliance on the QB is a major issue.

But this isn’t news to anyone. If you want to make the argument that we would have won the game last night (or any game this year) with McElroy at QB, then just say that. I made that same argument earlier this year.

 

[irvingtontide]

So at the start of the game before the first drive someone that was watching it with us wondered if I felt better after the LSU game. Fully expecting to beat OU I told him no that a team with a good defense would shut milroes run game down and we would struggle. Man did that not take long at all to show to be true.

I keep waiting for Ty to get his shot in the horrible games. Then I get to thinking all our game prep all our offensive game plan and playbook are tailor made to fit JM. How fair would it be to throw Ty in and hand him a chicken crap playbook that’s been gutted for JM and tell him to go make me chicken salad. The CKD playbook that Ty would probably flourish in hasn’t even been installed for him to run yet. You can’t teach those concepts to the WR/QB with out practicing it which I’m confident we haven’t done because milroe can’t run it.

 

[Grogan11]

This is not Milroe’s fault guys. He’s the same incompetent QB he’s always been. It was on Saban last year and now DeBoer this year. He never should have been given the keys to this program.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Last night's opponent was horrible. We just sucked that bad.

Yeah say what you want about Indiana, but at least they beat the bad teams they played. We didn't

 

[colbysullivan]

I had an event to go to last night, and missed the last three quarters, to my benefit.
DeBier mentioned “uncharacteristic” errors is his presser. We’ve seen these errors before, so I don’t they’re uncharacteristic.

We dropped some very catchable passes. That alone shouldn’t be enough for us to lose the game though. CKD has one chance to take the full reins of this program by permanently ridding us of Milroe, but he will not do it.

 

[81usaf92]

I've been pressing this for around a decade. Over-reliance on the QB is a major issue along with inability to establish a reliable running game.

The other thing I would say is the situation is different for whom? Oklahoma recognized they were going to have trouble passing the ball so they compensated by stuffing the ball down Alabama's throat, even when Alabama knew they were going to run the ball. Alabama let a 3 star running back have more yards and more TDs and he's had in his entire career (total!).

This is something Alabama has forgotten how to do, but they darn sure used to be able to do it.

Here is the thing. It depends on what quarterback you are talking about. Bryce pretty much willed us to a playoff berth on his own and almost did again on his own. Sometimes a quarterback has to be the show because we are missing something that limits the running game.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Let's take a look at two box scores.

6/11 passing for 58 yards
51 rushes for 205 yards

9/12 for 68 yards
50 rushes for 257 yards

The first was Alabama in in the 2009 championship game against Texas.
The second was Oklahoma against Alabama last night. Neither game was close.

If Gilbert or McElroy is under center for Alabama last night is much different.

 

[REBELZED]

When Jackson Arnold, a QB that supposedly wasn’t suppose to present an issue for you in the ground game because “he isn’t a running qb” goes through your defense like a dose of exlax through a crippled dog, and they how 200+ yards at half, yep we were dominated.

After Milroe threw that pick 6, and no change was made at QB, it was all over but the shouting.

The defense definitely has its issues, but only giving up 17 points (the other 7 were from a pick-6) in this day and age should be enough to win games. I would even say that they were really only responsible for 10 points since another TD was a direct result of an awful INT and short field.

Today's game requires an offense that can score consistently. And if you can't score consistently, you've got to be able to chew clock and maintain field position - like OU did last night.

IMO every loss this year can ultimately be pinned on the offense. They had opportunities in every game but just couldn't make the plays needed and often committed the back-breaking mistakes instead.

 

[colbysullivan]

So at the start of the game before the first drive someone that was watching it with us wondered if I felt better after the LSU game. Fully expecting to beat OU I told him no that a team with a good defense would shut milroes run game down and we would struggle. Man did that not take long at all to show to be true.

I keep waiting for Ty to get his shot in the horrible games. Then I get to thinking all our game prep all our offensive game plan and playbook are tailor made to fit JM. How fair would it be to throw Ty in and hand him a chicken crap playbook that’s been gutted for JM and tell him to go make me chicken salad. The CKD playbook that Ty would probably flourish in hasn’t even been installed for him to run yet. You can’t teach those concepts to the WR/QB with out practicing it which I’m confident we haven’t done because milroe can’t run it.

It’s not about whether it’s fair or not. You do whatever you have to do to win the game. Keeping Milroe in was not going to win the game, and that was clear.

 

[colbysullivan]

Yeah say what you want about Indiana, but at least they beat the bad teams they played. We didn't

We would only have one loss with their schedule.

 

[KrAzY3]

Yeah but what you are missing is a once in a lifetime pick six to end a half, and we weren’t throwing pick sixes or setting Texas up with prime real estate in the 2nd half.

We lost because Milroe dug us into a hole to start the 2nd half. Yes our defense was a mess but there is a huge difference from punting down 10-3 with 12 remaining in the 3rd and getting the ball back down 24-3 with 12 remaining in the 3rd.

I'm not arguing that the type of offense Alabama ran against Texas or Oklahoma ran against Alabama is optimal. I'm basically saying it should be the baseline for what your offense can do.

One moment during the game that kind of signified what's happened to Alabama's offense is they have the ball on second and three at the Oklahoma 4. They have a QB run that goes backwards and end up with three points. You have a well developed running game, you score a TD there. Losing that ability has cost Alabama dearly.

But this isn’t news to anyone. If you want to make the argument that we would have won the game last night (or any game this year) with McElroy at QB, then just say that. I made that same argument earlier this year.

What I'm saying is if you coach the team well enough and discipline them well enough QB play becomes superfluous in a lot of situations. Alabama went to the SECCG with a QB that had 10 TDs and 8 INTs.

Milroe hasn't made the best choices, but JPW wasn't exactly a savant out there either. You know what the solution was? You didn't let him try to do too much.

 

[colbysullivan]

I'm not arguing that the type of offense Alabama ran against Texas or Oklahoma ran against Alabama is optimal. I'm basically saying it should be the baseline for what your offense can do.

One moment during the game that kind of signified what's happened to Alabama's offense is they have the ball on second and three at the Oklahoma 4. They have a QB run that goes backwards and end up with three points. You have a well developed running game, you score a TD there. Losing that ability has cost Alabama dearly.


What I'm saying is if you coach the team well enough and discipline them well enough QB play becomes superfluous in a lot of situations. Alabama went to the SECCG with a QB that had 10 TDs and 8 INTs.

Milroe hasn't made the best choices, but JPW wasn't exactly a savant out there either. You know what the solution was? You didn't let him try to do too much.

Ok we’re actually saying the same thing. Thanks.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

The Day after:

My biggest issue was the poor planning on the offensive side of the ball. To me the poor offense set up a poor performance on Defense.

1. The script and play calling on the first drive really ticked me off and set us up for failing. We were highly successful in my opinion at getting gains with the RBs most of the night. But, we kept calling Milroe's number or he kept calling it. The definition of insanity.

2. Where was the:
a. Eye candy behind the line of scrimmage that we saw in the UGA game.
b. Where was the passes out in the flats to the backs we saw in the LSU game.
c. Someone mentioned it was a "cut and paste" gameplan, but it was a horrible job at cut and paste because it didn't resemble anything that was successful in the "big games".

 

[JTBama]

When your offenses rush attack has become QB oriented both by design and the qbs decision to keep the ball despite having talented running backs who were averaging around 4 to5 yards a carry up the middle...it handicaps your offense. Ultimately, the blame goes to Deboer. There's a time as the head coach when you chime in and say "hey, this isn't working...we're not doing this anymore. If I'm the running backs, I'm asking myself what exactly is my role in this offense because we seem to be utilized as safety valve receivers more than anything. Running back recruits are also watching carefully.

 

[81usaf92]

I'm not arguing that the type of offense Alabama ran against Texas or Oklahoma ran against Alabama is optimal. I'm basically saying it should be the baseline for what your offense can do.

One moment during the game that kind of signified what's happened to Alabama's offense is they have the ball on second and three at the Oklahoma 4. They have a QB run that goes backwards and end up with three points. You have a well developed running game, you score a TD there. Losing that ability has cost Alabama dearly.


What I'm saying is if you coach the team well enough and discipline them well enough QB play becomes superfluous in a lot of situations. Alabama went to the SECCG with a QB that had 10 TDs and 8 INTs.

Milroe hasn't made the best choices, but JPW wasn't exactly a savant out there either. You know what the solution was? You didn't let him try to do too much.

You can’t win a championship building like Wisconsin anymore. You have to have a quarterback that can pre and post snap read. That doesn’t mean he has to put on video game points but he has to be able to make smart reads and decisions. I think you need running backs and good linemen to compete as well.

Milroe either is incapable of this or is just uncoachable because we are really living off of whether a defense can make him go east and west in determining outcomes of the game. There were several times where if he just handed it off that we are probably striking up the band but he was bound and determined to keep it.