Weaving the Tale: How We Got Where We Are

[gtgilbert]

If this is true - won't install tik tok to see the video- then DeBoer should be fired for cause. Not seeing this and correcting it would get any coach fired in the NFL.

Has JM shown the ability to absorb coaching to any degree really? I wouldn't be shocked if they knew this and had told him about it over and over and he just didn't/couldn't change it.

 

[B1GTide]

Has JM shown the ability to absorb coaching to any degree really? I wouldn't be shocked if they knew this and had told him about it over and over and he just didn't/couldn't change it.

Then you bench him. Sorry, that would make this a coaching failure even more.

 

[CoolBreeze]

How did we get here… for better or worse Saban

Okay you want a more detailed answer.

Quite honestly Saban started to compromise with “projects” and recruiters than get great position coaches. It was no longer the process that we saw from 2007-2017, it was more of the “work in progress”. Our player development was horrible but our recruiting was other worldly. Saban was due for a 3-4 loss season down the line because he was no longer the same guy because he no longer could be the same guy. While he went out with a SECC it was likely his last piece of hardware.

I think Deboer, while he inherited a wealth of talent, has to establish his culture in order to be successful. Our talent probably doesn’t translate to his culture and it’s beyond obvious we have a bunch of cancers on this team. I think next year we may have a similar record but we will be a better team. I think it’s okay with being frustrated but I think we should wait for Year 2 or Year 3 before we judge Deboer.

Great post. Agreed 100%.

 

[JDCrimson]

CKD has never been anywhere where he had to be concerned about what he said in PC before not even UW. You can't BS the fans and the media in the SEC. Someone needs to sit him down in the offseason and educate him on this.

As much success he has had, he still has a lot to learn. And our AD ought to help him with that.

 

[BamaBoySince89]

Also - turns out JM may have had a tell. I'd wondered about this but had not done the film work to see because I just don't enjoy rewatching him play - it's too frustrating. There's a video now out there showing him alter his stance, with staggered feet on passing calls and even feet on running calls. I can't swear it's a steady indicator (the guy claims it's 85% accurate), but in the clips this guy shows, it is. That puts the OL at a HUGE disadvantage if the D knows run/pass before the snap.

Interesting, because I said something similar after the Oklahoma game about him doing obvious things that would suggest tipping off things to the defense. And if you watched the game yesterday, that INT looked similar to the pick-6 he threw in the 3rd Quarter against OU.

Just watch, same feet placement and all

I couldn’t shake what I was thinking but surely you don’t think players would do things of this magnitude but it will be interesting to hear the real story about the past 2 seasons. Clearly there’s more to this story that may shock all of us

 

[Tidewater]

I’m all for extending as much grace to CKD as possible for this season and possibly the next several. I understand completely he had an unenviable task of trying to hold a team and program together that was fracturing.

My big issue isn’t the fact he kowtowed to the mob. My issue that CKD stood up in front of everyone, time and time again, with same coach speak, in essence “feeding us crap and telling us it is ice cream”. One certain player being portrayed as a combination of Patrick Mahomes, Alfred Nobel and Ghandi. When the guy clearly underperforms it is “because those around him are helping him enough”? Give me a break.

Yeah, I get it. It is a different time and era in CFB. CKD had to use coach speak, diplomacy, and discretion in “what he said and how he said it”. But CKD needs to learn that southern college football fans, particularly Alabama fans, didn’t just fall off the turnip truck yesterday. He needs to find, with discernment, a method that sends a message to players and fans of “where he stands” as the head coach of this program. It is possible to frame things in way that people can “read between the lines”. Coach Saban had it down to a science. You can be a “player’s coach” and still set boundaries and expectations.

Like I said in another thread - Show me this. Show me you ARE the leader. Show me you are the guy in charge. Do that, and I’ll be with you to Hell and back.

Coach DeBoer gets a pass this year certainly. And he is going to get at least three or four years here to establish his program. And that is fair. But he needs to start showing in 2025 he is deserving of that grace.

One of the things that impressed me about Coach Saban was the way he would speak to his team through the media. He tended to avoid the "coachspeak," and use his platform to drive points home to the team, knowing the media would hang on his every word. His interactions with the media were purposeful.
Maybe Coach DeBoer could use some coaching on that score.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

One of the things that impressed me about Coach Saban was the way he would speak to his team through the media. He tended to avoid the "coachspeak," and use his platform to drive points home to the team, knowing the media would hang on his every word. His interactions with the media were purposeful.
Maybe Coach DeBoer could use some coaching on that score.

CKD's press conferences are so uninformational and full of word salads, I'm surprised reporters actually show up.

 

[cbi1972]

One of the things that impressed me about Coach Saban was the way he would speak to his team through the media. He tended to avoid the "coachspeak," and use his platform to drive points home to the team, knowing the media would hang on his every word. His interactions with the media were purposeful.
Maybe Coach DeBoer could use some coaching on that score.

I hate listening to him say nothing but I really do not expect a personality transplant

 

[Tidewater]

CKD's press conferences are so uninformational and full of word salads, I'm surprised reporters actually show up.

Yeah, I know and it does not have to be that way.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Yeah, I know and it does not have to be that way.

I just assume it's on purpose and he's not like that when dealing with the team.

 

[Tidewater]

I just assume it's on purpose and he's not like that when dealing with the team.

I'm not so sure. Maybe he is used to just a level of anonymity, or lack of interest by local media.
Remember Mike Price? The way he behaved in Tuscaloosa demonstrated a profound lack of understanding of just how much of a fishbowl the football coach at Alabama lives in. Even before his Rendezvous with Destiny.
Maybe Coach DeBoer does not yet get it. At UW, the Husky football coach speaks, people in Seattle notice (maybe) for a few seconds, then move on the check with the Seahawks are up to, then the Mariners, then the Sonics, then check to see if it is ever going to stop raining....
At Alabama, tens of thousands hang on every word he says.

 

[BamaMoon]

BTW, concerning the possibility of JM tipping off the defense and anyone saying that would never happen under CNS, I refer you to the BSCNC game against Clemson when they figured out our plays and essentially beat us doing so. So it happened under the GOAT too.

 

[B1GTide]

BTW, concerning the possibility of JM tipping off the defense and anyone saying that would never happen under CNS, I refer you to the BSCNC game against Clemson when they figured out our plays and essentially beat us doing so. So it happened under the GOAT too.

That is totally different. That was sign stealing.

 

[Bama9001]

Has JM shown the ability to absorb coaching to any degree really? I wouldn't be shocked if they knew this and had told him about it over and over and he just didn't/couldn't change it.

If you know you're going to play the entire game regardless there's not much incentive to absorb coaching and improve your game.

I'd love to know if that 'tell' was only present in our inexplicable losses. Some of his performances were just too far away from the mean. That was for both the good and the bad.

 

[gman4tide]

That is totally different. That was sign stealing.

Nah it was players and it was well known to have happened vs the barn back several years ago under saban. Edit to add...the sign stealing didn't hurt either!

 

[colbysullivan]

Looking to the future is rather cathartic right now.

Wonder if our S&C program is what we thought it was. We seemed to get pushed around by just about every team on our schedule. It's hard to believe that we just missed on so many players. We wilted in the 4Q often.

Hard to compare this year to CNS's first year. That team got better as the year progressed and this one kept getting worse. Which begs the question of why CKD just continued ignoring all the problems. Just seems like a year that was completely wasted.

We'll know a lot about thhe QB situation pretty soon. Are we the team that offered $6M to Ewers? Is Russell an early entrant that will be here for spring? Will we go after an 'interim' QB? Will we bring JM back?

How do we fix the OL? Honestly, JM would have been a lot better with a functional OL. We should have started to see improvement as the year went along but there was little or none.

Defensively, I'm OK with letting Womack continue to grow into a SEC coordinator. The defense did make forward prgress as the year went along.

STOP BLAMING THE OFFENSIVE LINE

 

[CoolBreeze]

CKD's press conferences are so uninformational and full of word salads, I'm surprised reporters actually show up.

Man, I cannot stand his coach speak. I was on the edge of my seat for every Nick presser. I cannot watch any of CKD interviews nor did I watch any of the coaches shows this season for that very reason.

 

[Jack Bourbon]

You must admit that there is a skill to talking without actually saying anything. But I agree it's boring.

 

[CoolBreeze]

You must admit that there is a skill to talking without actually saying anything. But I agree it's boring.

Great skill if you are a politician but my coach needs to give me the scoop on what's happening with the team. Nick would throw a coke bottle at you, figuratively of course.

 

[BamaBoySince89]

Great skill if you are a politician but my coach needs to give me the scoop on what's happening with the team. Nick would throw a coke bottle at you, figuratively of course.

The coke bottle would probably give better explanations at this point