Let's Talk Bama QBs - '25 Season

[81usaf92]

I thought the reports coming out of the fall scrimmages in 2024 was that Ty was operating the offense very good and milroe was struggling with blitz packages where Ty was having success against them. If I recall wommack had to reign in the blitz packages because milroe was struggling.

Edited to add that it was also reported the 2nd string receivers had a big drop off and any QB with them was handicapped compared to the 1st team receivers.

If you are trying to quote my analysis of REC scrimmages then that was 2024 spring scrimmages since the fall scrimmages were closed off because DeBoer allegedly wanted to put in different formations that he didn’t want the public to see. Or that is how they broke the news to the REC.

But yes everything in that analysis aside from it being Spring instead of fall is what I said nearly word for word. Wommack and Mo’s blitzes had to be dialed back for Milroe to go through his progressions.

But what I’m getting at with Ty is that if he was ever going to beat out Milroe then 2023 Spring was his best chance. But he decided to try to compete with Milroe’s arm strength instead of going through his reads. It basically lead to Saban sitting both of them down and saying “we will support it if you decide to transfer out because we are going to get another quarterback in the portal since neither of you could separate from one another”. I’m worried that Ty is always going to be that guy from 2023 who “just isn’t ready and overthinks things”. He doesn’t strike me as a Mac who was just playing behind a generational quarterback or else he would be starting. I think it’s more likely that Ty is/was a better passer than Milroe but has serious warts in other areas that never allowed his passing to decide that he should have been the quarterback

 

[BamaMoon]

I like that KR has said publicly numerous times he has the intention of coming to T-town and starting. It also concerns me to some degree that he will not be patient if he were not to be chosen as the starter and will take the millions he will inevitably be offered in the portal as soon as the season ends (or even before). KR is a super talent but he also had super talented WR's to throw to. His stats are gaudy but he wasn't dinking and dunking to Lil Timmy from across the street. There will inevitably be some growing pains when he jumps into the big leagues of major CFB.

Me personally, if it is even close as to who should start, I would hope CKD chooses KR. I appreciate and respect TS for being patient and doing things the right way but this isn't a charitable organization we are talking about. If he shows he is competent and has the ability to be the guy, then by all means. I just can't jump on the TS train until I see further proof of what the future looks like with him behind center. I'd rather take my lumps with KR and grow this team around a major talent that will eventually mature into a superstar than potentially lose him and start back from scratch if the gap is minimal. KR's ceiling is higher and he has that 'IT' factor that you are looking for at QB.

At this point its hard to really get behind any player at any time at any position in CFB. Loyalty is gone. Money is all that matters. I like KR but that's about as far as my allegiance goes until I see he is in Crimson and he is committed to being in Crimson for more than one year. We are in an abysmal era of rent-a-player and it doesn't give anyone the warm and fuzzies.

I posted a similar take.

Of course, the important point in this is: if TS and KR are very close in potential this year. While we don't know TS ceiling, it's disturbing on many levels he was so highly touted out of HS but couldn't outshine JM. This happened on two coaches watches: CNS OR CKD.

There was probably more to it than that (considering the rumors of players taking sides) but if TS is truly elite JM would have likely never started a game in 2023. Now, can he develop with some PT into being elite? Maybe.

So that brings us back to KR. If the staff believes he will be elite with some playing time and they believe his ceiling is a lot higher than TS, I think you have to really consider going with the freshman.

It's risky, but could be highly rewarding if not this season but for a couple after that!

Having said all of that. I'll be very surprise is TS doesn't separate himself this spring and fall and start, but I do believe KR will nipping at his heels the whole time.

 

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no. Just no.

 

[gtgilbert]

I posted a similar take.

Of course, the important point in this is: if TS and KR are very close in potential this year. While we don't know TS ceiling, it's disturbing on many levels he was so highly touted out of HS but couldn't outshine JM. This happened on two coaches watches: CNS OR CKD.

There was probably more to it than that (considering the rumors of players taking sides) but if TS is truly elite JM would have likely never started a game in 2023. Now, can he develop with some PT into being elite? Maybe.

So that brings us back to KR. If the staff believes he will be elite with some playing time and they believe his ceiling is a lot higher than TS, I think you have to really consider going with the freshman.

It's risky, but could be highly rewarding if not this season but for a couple after that!

Having said all of that. I'll be very surprise is TS doesn't separate himself this spring and fall and start, but I do believe KR will nipping at his heels the whole time.

Other than my thoughts on how to best develop QBs that I've already written, I think the biggest risk of going with KR is that we certainly lose TS, and maybe AM, and end up with zero depth. Even if it was just TS leaving, we'd have to try to find some other QB in the portal that would be willing to come in knowing they are only depth. That's one injury away from a disaster.

 

[irvingtontide]

If you are trying to quote my analysis of REC scrimmages then that was 2024 spring scrimmages since the fall scrimmages were closed off because DeBoer allegedly wanted to put in different formations that he didn’t want the public to see. Or that is how they broke the news to the REC.

But yes everything in that analysis aside from it being Spring instead of fall is what I said nearly word for word. Wommack and Mo’s blitzes had to be dialed back for Milroe to go through his progressions.

But what I’m getting at with Ty is that if he was ever going to beat out Milroe then 2023 Spring was his best chance. But he decided to try to compete with Milroe’s arm strength instead of going through his reads. It basically lead to Saban sitting both of them down and saying “we will support it if you decide to transfer out because we are going to get another quarterback in the portal since neither of you could separate from one another”. I’m worried that Ty is always going to be that guy from 2023 who “just isn’t ready and overthinks things”. He doesn’t strike me as a Mac who was just playing behind a generational quarterback or else he would be starting. I think it’s more likely that Ty is/was a better passer than Milroe but has serious warts in other areas that never allowed his passing to decide that he should have been the quarterback

valid concerns trying to match Jalen with the deep ball and not playing his own game sounded like a so/rs fr getting in his own head and trying to impress/keep up.
I remember that being concerns in 23 but it sounded like spring of 24 he had turned the page and the offense seemed to click for him. If locker room issues and jalen holding the team together post Saban are true it’s hard to judge him for this year because it sounded like he was the better QB. Then you also have the rumors that some of the WRs preferred Ty. He still has to earn it legitimately but I would love to see him have a stellar year next year. It would be nice to see his loyalty to the program work out good for both parties.

 

[BamaMoon]

Other than my thoughts on how to best develop QBs that I've already written, I think the biggest risk of going with KR is that we certainly lose TS, and maybe AM, and end up with zero depth. Even if it was just TS leaving, we'd have to try to find some other QB in the portal that would be willing to come in knowing they are only depth. That's one injury away from a disaster.

Yes, no question.

Best case is TS convincingly wins the job and has a great year that sends him to the draft.

 

[Power Eye]

Other than my thoughts on how to best develop QBs that I've already written, I think the biggest risk of going with KR is that we certainly lose TS, and maybe AM, and end up with zero depth. Even if it was just TS leaving, we'd have to try to find some other QB in the portal that would be willing to come in knowing they are only depth. That's one injury away from a disaster.

Maybe this is short-sighted, but I want the QB who gives us the best chance to win next year to play. If that means losing Russell or Simpson, then so be it. Honestly though, we don't need a Tua or Bryce, we just need a Will Howard. Someone who can play consistent and get the ball to our weapons. My guess is Simpson is our best bet at being that guy, but who knows.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

no. Just no.

Heck No!

 

[BamaMoon]

This year's spring practice is probably one of the most important ones in program history.

It'll come with an implementation of CKD's goal for his offense and a study of 3 QBs to determine who can run it the best.

Of course, fall camp will be similar, but whichever QB comes out of the spring as the leader will have a huge advantage going into the fall.

And they'll be going up against a defense that will test and try them. That's something we shouldn't overlook!

 

[gtgilbert]

This year's spring practice is probably one of the most important ones in program history.

It'll come with an implementation of CKD's goal for his offense and a study of 3 QBs to determine who can run it the best.

Of course, fall camp will be similar, but whichever QB comes out of the spring as the leader will have a huge advantage going into the fall.

And they'll be going up against a defense that will test and try them. That's something we shouldn't overlook!

and here is to hoping that the Defense doesn't have to be dialed back because one of the QBs simply can't handle it at all.

 

[BamaMoon]

and here is to hoping that the Defense doesn't have to be dialed back because one of the QBs simply can't handle it at all.

Yeah, that's sickening to hear about.

Wonder if JM even knows what a "hot route" is???

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Yeah, that's sickening to hear about.

Wonder if JM even knows what a "hot route" is???

Wouldn't matter because the Center would have to call it out/signal it.

As far as QB'ing responsibilities at the LOS go Milroe might as well be Helen Keller.

 

[denver]

The CFP final has Howard/Leonard as QBs...both played at average programs prior ( KSU/Duke) but both have experience and can manage a game...they have ok arms and passing ability, and can run when needed....JJ McCarthy last year was the same...i think having a gunslingling QB who throws for 300/4TD isnt necessary - experience and some semblance of dual threat is enough...our QB room doesnt have this...one of them is going to have to step into this role vs wanting to be a hero for us to be successful....and of course we have to truly see what KDB expects from a QB too

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

The CFP final has Howard/Leonard as QBs...both played at average programs prior ( KSU/Duke) but both have experience and can manage a game...they have ok arms and passing ability, and can run when needed....JJ McCarthy last year was the same...i think having a gunslingling QB who throws for 300/4TD isnt necessary - experience and some semblance of dual threat is enough...our QB room doesnt have this...one of them is going to have to step into this role vs wanting to be a hero for us to be successful....and of course we have to truly see what KDB expects from a QB too

Both would be labeled as Game Mangers...

 

[irvingtontide]

so I ended up clicking on a YouTube video off the title not paying attention to who posted it. It ended up being from the bama standard but the funny catch was they asked if Ty should’ve started or Jalen should’ve been pulled and Stephen m smith does a complete 180 talking about

“ I watched milroe just lock onto receivers in practice and couldn’t look off them I’m like you can look somewhere else besides locking onto Ryan”

“I know his name is germ but he doesn’t have that much bacteria on him look somewhere else”

“You get one good play then two plays later you're like come on milroe son”

“then with Ty I’ve watched him and his head snaps all over the place. Oh Ryan’s not open let me look over here germs not open ping I’m looking over here”

“I’ve actually seen these things out of Ty I’ve not seen out of milroe”

kinda funny considering I think he was one that was a huge milroe supporter and seemed to belittle Ty supporters as haters. Helping cause the division in the fan base.