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I think they, and Miller, have made it inevitable. In the words of one - "I'm tired of arresting gardeners"...
Everyone had to know that fatigue would eventually set in. The damage done at the border by the previous administration will never be completely undone. I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe Homan should reach out to the Obama administration and ask how they were able to deport so many people in such a short period of time. The right rarely gives Obama credit for anything, but he earned his title of "deporter-in-chief."
 

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Everyone had to know that fatigue would eventually set in. The damage done at the border by the previous administration will never be completely undone. I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe Homan should reach out to the Obama administration and ask how they were able to deport so many people in such a short period of time. The right rarely gives Obama credit for anything, but he earned his title of "deporter-in-chief."
Is everything Biden's fault? Does the Trump Administration not have to take responsibility for anything?
 
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Yes, Biden could have certainly done better with the border. However, the topic is ICE and the backlash from the way it's being used.
Which is an extension of the border issue. No open borders would mean no ICE (or at least a hell of a lot less), agreed? Less ICE, less backlash. Sounds like a simple formula to me. We've got a big problem now and it's not going away anytime soon. If there's an upside to the chaos, it's that a lot of people have decided to self-deport in light of what is happening. I think that would be my preferred way to go.

Besides, it's not like it's the immigrants themselves that are getting violent. As usual, it's clueless activists who are not at all attached to reality.
 

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No open borders would mean no ICE (or at least a hell of a lot less), agreed?
That is not true. The vast number of currently illegal immigrants have entered the country via a legal visa (such as a guest visa, etc.) at the port of entry and then overstayed it.

Data:
"Nevertheless, among the total unauthorized population residing in the United States as of 2017, an estimated 4.9 million, or 46 percent, had overstayed a visa, and the other 54 percent had originally arrived via EWI (Warren 2019a).”

Source: https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v85n2/v85n2p1.html
 
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That is not true. The vast number of currently illegal immigrants have entered the country via a legal visa (such as a guest visa, etc.) at the port of entry and then overstayed it.

Data:
"Nevertheless, among the total unauthorized population residing in the United States as of 2017, an estimated 4.9 million, or 46 percent, had overstayed a visa, and the other 54 percent had originally arrived via EWI (Warren 2019a).”

Source: https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v85n2/v85n2p1.html
Sweet. Let’s deport them too.
 

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That is not true. The vast number of currently illegal immigrants have entered the country via a legal visa (such as a guest visa, etc.) at the port of entry and then overstayed it.

Data:
"Nevertheless, among the total unauthorized population residing in the United States as of 2017, an estimated 4.9 million, or 46 percent, had overstayed a visa, and the other 54 percent had originally arrived via EWI (Warren 2019a).”

Source: https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v85n2/v85n2p1.html
Seems like ignoring the Biden years leaves a lot of illegals out of the calculation.
 

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Which is an extension of the border issue. No open borders would mean no ICE (or at least a hell of a lot less), agreed? Less ICE, less backlash. Sounds like a simple formula to me. We've got a big problem now and it's not going away anytime soon. If there's an upside to the chaos, it's that a lot of people have decided to self-deport in light of what is happening. I think that would be my preferred way to go.

Besides, it's not like it's the immigrants themselves that are getting violent. As usual, it's clueless activists who are not at all attached to reality.
Except that it's not that simple, black and white. It's supply and demand. The demand is being created by Miller and his minimum of 3K per day deported, no matter what their criminal record. It's indiscriminate and leads to corrections officers dressed in civvies, wearing masks, chasing day laborers through Home Depot. The parallels are so Gestapo-like, the backlash has just begun...
 

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Except that it's not that simple, black and white. It's supply and demand. The demand is being created by Miller and his minimum of 3K per day deported, no matter what their criminal record. It's indiscriminate and leads to corrections officers dressed in civvies, wearing masks, chasing day laborers through Home Depot. The parallels are so Gestapo-like, the backlash has just begun...
Our lax previous enforcement has led us to where we are today. It doesn't excuse today's excesses but . . .
 

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Our lax previous enforcement has led us to where we are today. It doesn't excuse today's excesses but . . .
Was it "lax" or was it just more sensible, particularly in the case of Obama. It is a separate question from the border, where "lax" is what I'd agree with. Yes, Biden tried to follow an antiquated and ineffective law...
 

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The last sentence is a killer:
As has been made clear, there are millions of people who feel that crossing the border illegally is such a serious crime that those who do so should have no constitutional rights, regardless of their behavior while here. In fact, Trump sending them to fine countries like South Sudan is an appropriate reaction, as is having masked men round them up from their job or school, possibly to be sent to DeSantis' ego trip of MAGA cruelty in the Everglades.
 
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As has been made clear, there are millions of people who feel that crossing the border illegally is such a serious crime that those who do so should have no constitutional rights, regardless of their behavior while here. In fact, Trump sending them to fine countries like South Sudan is an appropriate reaction, as is having masked men round them up from their job or school, possibly to be sent to DeSantis' ego trip of MAGA cruelty in the Everglades.
It is obvious that not every citizen agrees on how "serious" entering the country illegally is or should be. I can't speak for millions of people, but I guess what I don't understand is why someone who has done something illegal is shocked and outraged when the consequences of their actions occur. As I've stated earlier in this thread, I think anyone detained by ICE should have whatever rights are afforded to them currently in the law (Nothing more and nothing less). But the "outrage" I see by activists and mostly democrats that nothing should happen to these people "at all" is absurd to me. But then again, I guess I answered my question in my very first statement. Not everyone sees people being in the country illegally, and the negative impact it has on society the same way. Some see it as serious, others see it on the same level as jaywalking, and others think there doesn't need to be any laws about entering the country. Just another case of "we just don't see the world the same". LOL!
 

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