How about a 12 plus 2 College Football Playoff?

Yep. If this 12-team format were around for Saban's entire tenure at Bama, he would have probably won 2-3 more championships. 2008, 2013, 2019, and 2022 teams could have definitely made a run in a 12-team playoff. 2010 had the talent to make a run, but with 3 losses still might have been left out. So Bama would have had 4 more shots at a title, maybe 5.

The JMUs and Tulanes are never going to win 5 straight against the top dogs of FBS to win a title. It's just not gonna happen. The "letting them in at least gives them a shot" crowd is misguided. It's a myth. It's the concept of a shot. It's not real.
JMU and Tulane are getting 4 million a piece by making this playoff. I assume that will be shared among the Sun Belt and AAC teams.

Surely a G5 standalone playoff would generate much more revenue than that? These games can be staged on days/nights that the P4 are not playing. It's that simple.
 
Yep. If this 12-team format were around for Saban's entire tenure at Bama, he would have probably won 2-3 more championships. 2008, 2013, 2019, and 2022 teams could have definitely made a run in a 12-team playoff. 2010 had the talent to make a run, but with 3 losses still might have been left out. So Bama would have had 4 more shots at a title, maybe 5.

The JMUs and Tulanes are never going to win 5 straight against the top dogs of FBS to win a title. It's just not gonna happen. The "letting them in at least gives them a shot" crowd is misguided. It's a myth. It's the concept of a shot. It's not real.

Part of the problem is that the nitwits who cover this sport really do believe - I mean, they either do or PRETEND to believe - that football is like every other sport, and thus a team that is scrappy and can put together a good run can pull off the equivalent of "The Bad News Bears" or (and I've pointed out many times they have the fairytale wrong) 1985 Villanova.

And I will say it again - it's been damn near 40 years since we had anything resembling a "Cinderella" in basketball and 2 of the 3 (at least) they say that about, it isn't true. 1985 Villanova was about like if 2011 Arkansas won a 12-team playoff for the national title, especially if they managed to avoid a rematch with Alabama or LSU. It's just not THAT BIG of an upset. Same with 1983 NC State. Sure, they were 26-10 in a 52-team tournament, but look at who beat them: UNC (with Jordan), UVA twice (with Ralph Sampson), Louisville (a #1 regional seed), Maryland twice (a then raw and not refined Len Bias), and Missouri (a #2 regional seed). And MOST of those games were pretty close. It was sorta shocking, but it was more like 2019 Florida winning the championship than if UCF actually won it. The one case that can actually be made for a Cinderella in basketball is Kansas in 1988 - and then remember they DID have the college player of the year (Danny Manning) who won all the trophies like he was Jameis Winston or whoever.

An upstart can make it in PRO sports, that's not the comparison. The margin between the worst team in the NFL and the best can be covered by maybe 3-4 really good players and a solid coach. College BASKETBALL lends itself to such upsets because of how their tournament is set up - and you sometimes get, say, a Butler and players who are together for four years squaring off against a powerhouse with five one-and-dones (when that was a thing) that have talent but not great chemistry.

Despite all the chances for a Cinderella to win it, it hasn't happened, even though there are more Cinderellas every single year in CBB.

The problem is that a group of idiots REALLY DO THINK it can happen in college football. They REALLY DO THINK that "you know, if BYU or UCF or Boise was JUST GIVEN A CHANCE, they could win it!"

And literally nobody with a functioning brain actually believes this.

Football is so brutal, it does not lend itself to "hey, this team of Air Force Academy cadets can WIN FOUR GAMES IN A ROW against 4 of the 8 best teams in the country and be champions." Air Force CAN beat Notre Dame four times in a row (they've done it) across four years, but if they played four straight weeks, nobody pretends even the worst Irish teams against the best AFA teams would lose more than two at most. More often than not, they wouldn't lose any. And remember: a playoff is the BEST Irish (or whomever) team, not the lean Gerry Faust years.

It's just not going to happen.
 
Yep. If this 12-team format were around for Saban's entire tenure at Bama, he would have probably won 2-3 more championships. 2008, 2013, 2019, and 2022 teams could have definitely made a run in a 12-team playoff. 2010 had the talent to make a run, but with 3 losses still might have been left out. So Bama would have had 4 more shots at a title, maybe 5.

The JMUs and Tulanes are never going to win 5 straight against the top dogs of FBS to win a title. It's just not gonna happen. The "letting them in at least gives them a shot" crowd is misguided. It's a myth. It's the concept of a shot. It's not real.
But can they win 4 straight to win a title?
 
Let me add another point:

everyone - and I mean everyone everywhere - needs to drop all the DRAMA QUEEN nonsense over "college football's playoff is broken!" And I've been consistent on this issue.

It didn't die when OU got blown out in the Big 12 conference championship game and stayed at #1.
It didn't die when poor ole Auburn got passed over in 2004.
It didn't die when conference champion Ohio St got passed over in 2017.
It didn't die when Cincinnati got selected in 2021.
It didn't die when 2-loss Alabama was passed over for TCU in 2022.
It didn't die when unbeaten FSU was passed over for the SEC champion in 2023.


And despite the blood curdling screams, hair pulling, and rage of the Notre Dame fans who all miraculously showed up on my Twitter feed less than a month ago, it doesn't matter that your two-loss team is sitting at home drinking eggnog and eating navel lint.

Was Notre Dame undefeated?
No?

Discussion over at that point.

It wouldn't have been "unjust, they need to tear it down" if ALABAMA had not been selected, either.
 
How about the G5 schools create their own playoffs because they don’t deserve to even sniff the CFP.
I like the way Josh Pate said it tonight. “People arguing for inclusion have got to stop pretending that all 130 teams are playing the same sport, because they are not.”

There already is a a playoff for these teams: FCS (1-AA) and Division 2. So many of our problems are because of the NCAA not following their own rules and guidelines. There are minimum standards for being 1A/FBS that most of these teams don't come close to sniffing. UAB is only 1A because Birmingham bought and gave away tens of thousands of tickets every year. Had the NCAA upheld their own standards, we wouldn't have this problem.
 
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There already is a a playoff for these teams: FCS (1-AA) and Division 2. So many of our problems are because of the NCAA not following their own rules and guidelines. There are minimum standards for being 1A/FBS that most of these teams don't come close to sniffing. UAB is only 1A because Birmingham bought and gave away tens of thousands of tickets every year. Had the NCAA upheld their own standards, we wouldn't have this problem.

They should reshuffle into five divisions...

1- P4
2- G6
3- FCS
4- D2
5- D3

That would be a much more realistic play on the landscape of football. $$$ Probably keep this from happening though.
 
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They should reshuffle into five divisions...

1- P4
2- G6
3- FCS
4- D2
5- D3

That would be a much more realistic play on the landscape of football. $$$ Probably keep this from happening though.
I think this is where we are headed. I'm not sure if they will rename the lower divisions, but I do believe the FBS will split, probably within the next 5 years. Honestly, I welcome that day. I'm tired of the top teams being forced to toss some coin to the G5. They have no business being in the same league.

I don't care what the online whiners claim that fairness allows for the G5 to be included. IMO, it is not fair at all that teams ranked in the 20s are included. That's pity, that's charity, not fairness.
 
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WOW, I never thought I would see this much negative response to this thread. For the record, I too am not in favor of making the playoffs bigger to include teams who got their feelings hurt. My suggestion is in response to the powers of college football deciding that they need, or want the two top teams from the G5 regardless of their SOS, VS the number 11 and 12th ranked teams.
My suggestion for two "Wild Card" games is to let them show they actually belong there by beating number 11 and 12. If they can, okay they now at least show that their capable of beating a top 12 team. It's not a call to really expand the playoffs, it's a way to pacify the G5 and the the number 11 & 12th ranked teams. In the end, it would still remain 12 teams for the playoffs. The Wild Card games would just decide the last two teams making the playoffs.
Okay, yes I know the wild card games are actually another playoff game. Like many here, I don't like adding the G5 either. This is just my suggestion to neutralize the debate on the issue of higher ranked teams losing their spot on the "Current" playoff selection process. I prefer solutions.
 
How about we create a 64 team super league of 8 team divisions. Everybody plays the 7 in your division + 3 out of division. Everybody makes the playoffs. Seeding determined by computer ranking. No whining or crying or quitting or sitting out … or you get relegated back to the old ncaa and we find a replacement. Problem solved.
 
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How about we create a 64 team super league of 8 team divisions. Everybody plays the 7 in your division + 3 out of division. Everybody makes the playoffs. Seeding determined by computer ranking. No whining or crying or quitting or sitting out … or you get relegated back to the old ncaa and we find a replacement. Problem solved.

This... would actually be pretty durned cool. Could have consolation / loser brackets to keep the games and practice times more equal and determine a 1-64 ranking.
 
Per AI and I've not verified any of this. I'm not sure why it didn't literally rank by win% but here's a list to start with. My next task will be to group into reasonable 8-team divisions.

Here is the updated list of the top 64 college football teams by Winning Percentage (Win %) since the start of the 2021 season, including only the teams confirmed to be in the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC conferences for the 2026 season.

#TeamRecord 2021-2025Win%Conference
1Georgia65-690.1%SEC
2Ohio State59-986.8%Big Ten
3Michigan57-1183.8%Big Ten
4Oregon56-1183.6%Big Ten
5Alabama55-1380.9%SEC
6Ole Miss50-1478.1%SEC
7Clemson47-1971.2%ACC
8Penn State47-2070.1%Big Ten
9Texas47-2070.1%SEC
10Tennessee45-1970.3%SEC
11Iowa44-2266.7%Big Ten
12Utah43-2266.2%Big 12
13Washington43-2266.2%Big Ten
14Kansas State42-2364.6%Big 12
15LSU42-2364.6%SEC
16Oklahoma43-2167.2%SEC
17Missouri41-2364.1%SEC
18Louisville41-2463.1%ACC
19NC State39-2461.9%ACC
20Oklahoma State39-2461.9%Big 12
21Texas A&M39-2362.9%SEC
22Miami (FL)39-2362.9%ACC
23USC39-2560.9%Big Ten
24Pittsburgh38-2659.4%ACC
25Cincinnati37-2658.7%Big 12
26Iowa State37-2757.8%Big 12
27Minnesota39-2560.9%Big Ten
28Duke37-2757.8%ACC
29Illinois36-2658.1%Big Ten
30Houston37-2658.7%Big 12
31TCU40-2462.5%Big 12
32Wake Forest35-2855.6%ACC
33Texas Tech42-2364.6%Big 12
34Kentucky33-3052.4%SEC
35Baylor34-3053.1%Big 12
36South Carolina33-3052.4%SEC
37Wisconsin32-3150.8%Big Ten
38North Carolina33-3250.8%ACC
39UCF33-3151.6%Big 12
40UCLA33-2953.2%Big Ten
41Indiana33-2953.2%Big Ten
42Arizona State33-3052.4%Big Ten
43Mississippi State28-3643.8%SEC
44Virginia Tech30-3347.6%ACC
45BYU45-1970.3%Big 12
46Syracuse29-3446.0%ACC
47Rutgers29-3446.0%Big Ten
48Arkansas29-3743.9%SEC
49Auburn26-3840.6%SEC
50Virginia26-3741.3%ACC
51Colorado23-4036.5%Big 12
52Purdue28-3643.8%Big Ten
53California24-3938.1%ACC
54West Virginia32-3349.2%Big 12
55Nebraska28-3643.8%Big Ten
56Arizona26-3741.3%Big 12
57Stanford22-4134.9%ACC
58Vanderbilt24-4037.5%SEC
59Florida28-3743.1%SEC
60Boston College28-3743.1%ACC
61Georgia Tech31-3150.0%ACC
62Kansas31-3348.4%Big 12
63Maryland31-3447.7%Big Ten
64Michigan State30-3546.2%Big Ten

This list correctly includes all 64 of the highest-winning percentage teams among the 68 total Power 4 conference teams for 2026. The two P4 teams not in this list are Northwestern, SMU.

Also not included are the Pac2 teams of Oregon St and Washington St.

I would probably eliminate Boston College or Maryland from the 64 and replace with SMU.
 
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How about just get rid of automatic bids? That will solve 95% of our problems, and no expansion is needed. Teams that have no business being in the playoff are making it, and now everyone's first inclination is to expand? How about addressing WHY these teams are making it, instead of just adding more teams.
 
How about just get rid of automatic bids? That will solve 95% of our problems, and no expansion is needed. Teams that have no business being in the playoff are making it, and now everyone's first inclination is to expand? How about addressing WHY these teams are making it, instead of just adding more teams.
Lawsuits and money is my understanding.
 
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