Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) (part II)
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Enforse immigration laws but allow for some exceptions
Institute mandetory E-verify with meaningful penalties
Thats a good start
personally, i would like to see a pathway to citizenship for the many who are undocumented but have made their lives here, raised families here, and become part of our communities.
as far as enforcement, if the only “illegal” act is being here, i don’t think that requires a tactical team to enforce and should be handled administratively.
basically, i think we are a nation of immigrants and i think we should welcome more to come and be a part of our great nation.
Personally, I am fine with this. May not be popular, but I am ok with it.
Do you want immigration laws enforced only insofar as illegal immigrants who commit violent or otherwise serious crimes are deported? (i.e. illegal immigrants who have simply worked, lived their lives, not broken any laws should stay?)
I think immigration laws should be enforced. The real disagreement, in my view, is about how and where that enforcement happens.
I support border enforcement and lawful entry. Those are legitimate responsibilities of the federal government.
Inside the country, I think enforcement should be limited and targeted. Broad patrols in cities, unmarked operations, and overly aggressive tactics don’t build trust and tend to create more problems than they solve.
I don’t think visa overstays should be ignored, but I believe they’re best handled through civil processes and legal pathways where possible, not treated primarily as criminal threats.
I think enforcement resources should focus on real public safety concerns like violent crime and trafficking. I also think businesses that knowingly violate immigration laws should be a major focus of enforcement. If employers weren’t incentivized to exploit undocumented labor, much of the problem would shrink on its own.
People who are working, raising families, and otherwise following the law shouldn’t be the priority.
And accountability matters. Immigration enforcement shouldn’t result in the detention or shooting of U.S. citizens, and any use of force needs to be transparent and subject to review.
This shouldn’t be about open borders or no enforcement. For me, it’s about enforcing immigration law in a way that’s constitutional, proportional, and respectful of civil liberties.
The trust issue isn’t facts versus emotions. It’s who is producing the findings. A conclusion coming from the Trump administration or its agencies isn’t going to be trusted by a lot of people, no matter what it says.
That’s what O’Hara was getting at. A “legally justified” finding from the same federal apparatus that ordered and defended the operation isn’t going to restore confidence. If the source isn’t trusted, their version of the facts won’t persuade.
Depends on how they answer the following two questions:
1. Are you willing to become a U.S. citizen?
2. Can you sustain yourself without tax-payer assistance?
If he or she can answer both in the affirmative, then let us work together to make that happen with less cost and more efficiency. Otherwise, it's time to git.
I want the enforcement of the laws that follow the constitution and respect everyone's legal rights.
Know exactly who you are after and get a warrant for their arrest.
Entering homes without warrants, circling a gas station with unmarked cars and thugs in tactical gear, busting car windows and dragging people off, tossing them in unmarked vans, not telling family where they are being taken, not allowing lawyers access to their clients, just to release many of them hours later, days later, because they had no real reason to be detained. This crap has to end now.
We have the frameworks in this country to do this legally, with respect for the communities and the persons being arrested. It doesn't have to be done with hate.
Know exactly who you are after and get a warrant for their arrest.
Entering homes without warrants, circling a gas station with unmarked cars and thugs in tactical gear, busting car windows and dragging people off, tossing them in unmarked vans, not telling family where they are being taken, not allowing lawyers access to their clients, just to release many of them hours later, days later, because they had no real reason to be detained. This crap has to end now.
We have the frameworks in this country to do this legally, with respect for the communities and the persons being arrested. It doesn't have to be done with hate.
How about a rating system like we do in sports.
1-5 stars.
Judged on how they contribute to society, infractions of the law, etc. etc.
Anything 3 stars or above are granted a pathway to citizenship.
Anything 2 stars or less get the boot.
Repeat offenders kicked out and/or imprisoned with full cooperation between local, state, and fed agencies.
Make it all transparent to the public.
1-5 stars.
Judged on how they contribute to society, infractions of the law, etc. etc.
Anything 3 stars or above are granted a pathway to citizenship.
Anything 2 stars or less get the boot.
Repeat offenders kicked out and/or imprisoned with full cooperation between local, state, and fed agencies.
Make it all transparent to the public.
They’re illegally interfering with law enforcement actions to arrest violent criminals. Why is there any controversy here?
I don’t think sending basically what resembles a SWAT team everytime for a poor grandpa is really the way to round them up.
I think illegal immigration laws should be enforced. It’s more the manner that enforcement is being implemented is my issue.
Another aspect here is what is fair to those who came in under our traditional immigration policy.
Waiting patiently while being a productive citizen to get their legal status.
To then see others cut in line?
Doesn't seem fair.
Waiting patiently while being a productive citizen to get their legal status.
To then see others cut in line?
Doesn't seem fair.
Most of those taken into custody aren’t violent criminals. And Americans labeled as “interfering” are being beaten, pepper-sprayed, or even killed by masked, unaccountable agents. That alone should make this controversial.
What I want is an income tax sanctuary state where I could avoid paying taxes and my employer and financial institutions wouldn’t comply with any attempts to confiscate my paycheck or assets. Then when the feds show up to arrest me, lawless mobs incited by pink politicians, would impede their efforts.
But that’s not even as bad because at least not paying taxes is not a violent crime.
dear leader seems to be losing some of the bros
even fetterman’s getting in on the action
even fetterman’s getting in on the action
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