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That is an interesting plan. I think we all agree that the BCS has plenty of faults and needs revision/changes.
The playoff plan he proposes is great for the smaller conferences because it automatically sends someone from each conference to the playoffs. But, there might be two or more teams from one of the stronger conferences that have deserving playoff claims. For example, if the SEC finishes the regular season with three teams in the top 16 nationally, only one of the three would be allowed to participate in the playoff. Not exactly fair to the stronger conferences.
This system might work if the top 10 or 12 playoff participants were champions of their respective conferences, then the next four or six were at large bids based on win loss record or national rankings.
 
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MasterShake said:
Even though 80% of the U.S. wants a playoff system, we can't have it b/c of a few power brokers that run the big conferences........... :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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This is not true. A vast majority of the college presidents do not want a Division I playoff. They have shown no interest in it in the recent past, and there is no indication whatsoever that interest may grow in the near future.
 
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hmm, this guy has "THE BIG EAST" as a power conference. There in lies the problem any playoff system will generate.

I'm not picking on Southern Miss but I'll use them as an example. Their stadium is like a kind of big High School stadium and God knows when the last time they sold it out. I'm not sure what their athletic budget is but I'm pretty sure it is a fraction of say, their closest SEC counterpart, Ole Miss, not to mention elite programs like Alabama. Do they really deserve an equal shoot at the national title? I don't buy that. If the Football 'have nots' of the world want a shot at the big dance they need to pony up. It's not impossible, look at Florida State and Miami both programs where once small blips on the College Football radar but both paid the fee and came up to the table and were dealt in to the big game. Do you as an Alabama fan think UAB deserves an equal shoot at the MNC because they happen to go 7-5 and win Conference USA? Sounds like communism to me.

Any playoff system would have to start with a re-evaluation of what a Division 1 school is. Cut it down to the BCS conferences only and then we can talk about a playoff.
 
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GulfCoastTider said:
This is not true. A vast majority of the college presidents do not want a Division I playoff. They have shown no interest in it in the recent past, and there is no indication whatsoever that interest may grow in the near future.
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No it's totally true. Those college presidents fall into the 20% of the population that don't want it. Every poll Fox, ESPN, CBS and other sites have done have shown that about 70-80% of the general population (yes us little peons that aren't president or CEO of something) want a playoff.
 
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bama_jam said:
hmm, this guy has "THE BIG EAST" as a power conference. There in lies the problem any playoff system will generate.

I'm not picking on Southern Miss but I'll use them as an example. Their stadium is like a kind of big High School stadium and God knows when the last time they sold it out. I'm not sure what their athletic budget is but I'm pretty sure it is a fraction of say, their closest SEC counterpart, Ole Miss, not to mention elite programs like Alabama. Do they really deserve an equal shoot at the national title? I don't buy that. If the Football 'have nots' of the world want a shot at the big dance they need to pony up. It's not impossible, look at Florida State and Miami both programs where once small blips on the College Football radar but both paid the fee and came up to the table and were dealt in to the big game. Do you as an Alabama fan think UAB deserves an equal shoot at the MNC because they happen to go 7-5 and win Conference USA? Sounds like communism to me.

Any playoff system would have to start with a re-evaluation of what a Division 1 school is. Cut it down to the BCS conferences only and then we can talk about a playoff.
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Of course they deserve an equal shot; just like the Colorado Rockies, Florida Marlins and KC Royals have the same opportunities the Yankees do while spending 30-80 million compared to the 10 trillion dollars the Yankees spend.

If I were the ghost of Christmas past I would take you back to the Alabama losses to ULM, Central Florida, La. Tech and Northern Illinois.
 
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This isn't basketball where a nobody can win. Entirely too many conference champions. BYU? Central Florida? Troy?? Central Michigan? Remove conference champions altogether and take the top 16 teams in the BCS rankings.
 
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It might diminish the value of the regular season, but say Missouri and West Virginia win out, who actually thinks that Missouri or West Virginia is THE BEST team in the nation? Yes, LSU has lost twice, but I really think they are the best team in the nation. Let's say LSU had started 0-2, and then won 10 straight. There is not doubt in my mind that they would be in the top 2. They are not in the top 2, just because they lost the second to last week of the season.

I have never been in agreement with a 16 team playoff, but that matchup does look rather interesting. It doesn't go into February, maybe mid-January. I have always been in agreement with the +1 system, of course, where 4 plays 1, 3 plays 2 and then the winners play to determine the champion.

Some could say, "someone like Central Michigan or Troy could win the national championship". Well, take Troy, based on seeds, if they beat West Virginia, LSU, Ohio State and Missouri, to my knowledge, no one else can say that in the nation. If you win your conference, or atleast your division, and then beat the champion from every other conference, you deserve the national championship.

This article alone, showing matchups and possibilities, just converted me to a 16 team playoff. Still good for a +1 system though.
 
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uafootball92 said:
It might diminish the value of the regular season, but say Missouri and West Virginia win out, who actually thinks that Missouri or West Virginia is THE BEST team in the nation? Yes, LSU has lost twice, but I really think they are the best team in the nation. Let's say LSU had started 0-2, and then won 10 straight. There is not doubt in my mind that they would be in the top 2. They are not in the top 2, just because they lost the second to last week of the season.

I have never been in agreement with a 16 team playoff, but that matchup does look rather interesting. It doesn't go into February, maybe mid-January. I have always been in agreement with the +1 system, of course, where 4 plays 1, 3 plays 2 and then the winners play to determine the champion.

Some could say, "someone like Central Michigan or Troy could win the national championship". Well, take Troy, based on seeds, if they beat West Virginia, LSU, Ohio State and Missouri, to my knowledge, no one else can say that in the nation. If you win your conference, or atleast your division, and then beat the champion from every other conference, you deserve the national championship.

This article alone, showing matchups and possibilities, just converted me to a 16 team playoff. Still good for a +1 system though.
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I agree with you mostly.

The only thing I would disagree with is LSU. They still have a conference championship game. They will not have a chance to play for the MNC this year, but in this format they would still have homefield and to begin with. Unfortunately, the Arkansas game took them out of contention for more homefield, but they are still in the running.

The only thing I see as a problem is who are the at large teams and who picks 'em? This is a problem year in and year out with the basketbal playoff, but it is usually consistent with who is playing well at the end of the year. not just the last game, but the last few games. In the middle of the year you could have argued Alabama should have a decent shot at the MNC in this proposed format. Now we can all look and realistically say no way. To me this opens the door for those in stronger conferences such as the SEC to have more than one team in the playoff. It forces the "not as strong" conferences to be consistent and do it every week. Nobody would have expected Boise St. to beat Oklahoma last year, but they did that one night. Could they do that the next week against another tough opponent?

I like this format because it is something that I have thought would work well. 16 teams is 1 bracket in the basketball playoff and works well. That's 4 more weeks of football and good football, I might add. Unless a team comes out flat, you ain't gonna see a blow out.

Roll Tide!!
ChattTide
 
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I like this guy's idea, but I like having 8 super conferences that have a championship game each then that gets it down to 8, but he has my last name. Got to love a good German idea.
 
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I like his idea, but I would tweak it a bit. Rather than have the initial rounds played as home games, have them played in on of the second tier bowls (Cotton, Outback, etc.). Then, have the remaining rounds played in the current BCS bowls, with the championship game rotating between the 4 BCS bowls. The rest of the bowls could still be played by the teams that don't make the tournament. You could even host additional games at the Cotton, Outback, etc. after the firt round play-off games.

This way, you get the play-off the fans want and still have some sort of bowl season for the teams that really have no shot at the title. Kind of a "best of both worlds" scenario. I'm sure I've overlooked some glaring hole in my plan, but I think it could work.
 
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MasterShake said:
Even though 80% of the U.S. wants a playoff system, we can't have it b/c of a few power brokers that run the big conferences........... :mad:
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Two words: GUARANTEED MONEY.

BCS Conferences (and therefore their members) will not support anything that does not guarantee them more money than they already receive under the current setup.

Every conference would have to be guaranteed as much money as everyone else just for participating in the playoff. For example, if LSU was eliminated in the first round and Ohio State made it to the final game, the SEC would want to see just as much cash as the Big 10. This is the only way conferences would agree to it.

The above scenario doesn't seem very fair. On the other hand, good luck convincing teams to play games after the first round(s) that don't have payouts to conferences and schools.
 
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