The Church Thread: Chapter I Verse I

I take that as Graham being honest about the Old Testament of the Bible in particular.

We should focus on the New Testament and what Jesus had to say. And maybe a little bit less on the Paulinian concerns.
 
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I think FG is being dishonest here. The Old Testament is included in the Bible to give context and power to redeeming salvation of Christ, God incarnate and the ultimate expression of love.

I take that as Graham being honest about the Old Testament of the Bible in particular.

We should focus on the New Testament and what Jesus had to say. And maybe a little bit less on the Paulinian concerns.
 
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I think FG is being dishonest here. The Old Testament is included in the Bible to give context and power to redeeming salvation of Christ, God incarnate and the ultimate expression of love.
Franklin Graham is a professional fundraiser, not a trained theologian in any sense of the word. HIs father continued to study even as an older gentleman, knowing that he needed to grow....Franklin thinks he knows it all. I had a lot of respect for Bily Graham, but not one iota for Franklin.
 
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I take that as Graham being honest about the Old Testament of the Bible in particular.

We should focus on the New Testament and what Jesus had to say. And maybe a little bit less on the Paulinian concerns.
Be careful focusing on what Jesus said. He said a lot of things that people don't know He said and don't want to focus on. He was pretty rough on many people and the Book of Revelation isn't exactly a love letter to mankind.
 
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The University of Oklahoma student who received a zero on a psychology essay after citing the Bible is speaking out after claiming religious discrimination. | READ MORE: News Story
 
The problem is that the university says the grade was “arbitrary” without ever explaining how. They haven’t said the rubric was violated, they haven’t shown that similar papers were graded differently, and they haven’t pointed to any standard the instructor ignored. They’ve just asserted the conclusion. In academic terms, a grade is arbitrary when it’s untethered from criteria. Here, the criterion was engaging the course material using the discipline’s methods. Substituting Bible verses for psychological analysis doesn’t meet that standard. If Oklahoma believes a zero was inappropriate, they owe a clearer explanation than a vague label, because right now “arbitrary” sounds less like an academic finding and more like an administrative retreat under pressure.

It’s possible that the instructor didn’t follow her own rubric and that’s what made the zero look vindictive and improper. If the assignment required certain elements and she tossed the whole paper in the trash instead of grading it against all of the stated criteria, then that's another issue.
 
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Mapping Christian Nationalism Across the 50 States: Insights from PRRI’s 2025 American Values Atlas​

Around three in ten Americans qualify as Christian nationalism Adherents or Sympathizers.

 
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Franklin Graham's message at the Department of War's Christmas worship service at the Pentagon yesterday: "But did you know that God also hates? Do you know that God also is a God of war? Many people don't want to think about that or forget that."

Well, if God wants to crank up a war, I honestly don't think he needs Pete Kegseth to do it for Him.
 
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The problem is that the university says the grade was “arbitrary” without ever explaining how. They haven’t said the rubric was violated, they haven’t shown that similar papers were graded differently, and they haven’t pointed to any standard the instructor ignored. They’ve just asserted the conclusion. In academic terms, a grade is arbitrary when it’s untethered from criteria. Here, the criterion was engaging the course material using the discipline’s methods. Substituting Bible verses for psychological analysis doesn’t meet that standard. If Oklahoma believes a zero was inappropriate, they owe a clearer explanation than a vague label, because right now “arbitrary” sounds less like an academic finding and more like an administrative retreat under pressure.

It’s possible that the instructor didn’t follow her own rubric and that’s what made the zero look vindictive and improper. If the assignment required certain elements and she tossed the whole paper in the trash instead of grading it against all of the stated criteria, then that's another issue.

When I was in the seminary, I recall a similar concept arising.

I had a professor explicitly say that when exegeting a particular passage, you DON'T say "it can't mean X because that would contradict this other doctrine over here that I already believe." Which leads to this amusing story.

I was in third semester Greek (my prof's PhD was from Sheffield in the UK), and more than once we'd discussed a few points, and while our doctrine was unquestionably SIMILAR, he would say things to the class when looking at the Greek such as, "But you can't assume the first century person reading this even knew about this other letter by a different author."

We were discussing Mark 1:8 and the concept in Greek of a phrase that has the preposition en plus a dative case noun and the overall concept. He referenced another passage, so I made the mistake of being a smart aleck.

"Yes, but what if you didn't have (passage he referenced)?"
After all, this was the same guy who had taught us to think that way all semester.

He walks over and opens my Greek text to another page and says, "Well, you have it right here so let's go on." The entire class erupted laughing, and I actually thought it was a really good zinger myself. But to his credit, he DID apologize for it, saying he wasn't trying to embarrass me but we had to move on quickly to the next concept.

I even told him, "Hey, if I were you, I'd have done the same thing."
 

"I got him a Nestle-Aland 1904 and watched it become his favorite paperweight for years," said friend Jeremy Crull. "The man has to carry a backpack into church so that he can cross-reference the pastor's translation in eight different versions during the sermon. He should just try sitting down and reading one of them cover to cover for once."

This is hilarious, but also sadly true. In our parish, we have started a new Bible study and Fr. Thomas felt compelled to remind everyone in his post-mass announcement, "Just a reminder, tomorrow is our 2:00 Bible study. You're gonna need your, you know, Bibles for this to work." An appreciative chuckle was the response from most of us, but I did spy a couple of people whose panicked look told me they had no idea where their Bible even was.
 
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This is hilarious, but also sadly true. In our parish, we have started a new Bible study and Fr. Thomas felt compelled to remind everyone in his post-mass announcement, "Just a reminder, tomorrow is our 2:00 Bible study. You're gonna need your, you know, Bibles for this to work." An appreciative chuckle was the response from most of us, but I did spy a couple of people whose panicked look told me they had no idea where their Bible even was.
Sadly a majority of church attenders don't regularly read and study the Bible for themselves. I see it one this board from time to time when someone starts trying to discuss the Bible or a Bible related topic and its obvious they have no idea what it actually says on the subject. It happened a while back. Someone commented on focusing on what Jesus said instead of the other passages, but the problem is they don't know what He actually said because Jesus actual words make us uncomfortable. He was a rough teacher that pulled no punches.
 
In my first Wednesday night Bible Study at a new (to me) church I asked people to open their Bibles to a particular chapter. Not a single person had a Bible. Some went to the sanctuary and scrounged up some pew Bibles. Turns out my predecessor had called it Bible study but it was basically him saying whatever he felt on whatever subject. LOL...
 
In my first Wednesday night Bible Study at a new (to me) church I asked people to open their Bibles to a particular chapter. Not a single person had a Bible. Some went to the sanctuary and scrounged up some pew Bibles. Turns out my predecessor had called it Bible study but it was basically him saying whatever he felt on whatever subject. LOL...
That guy wasn't much of a pastor. Many people in my church do use their phones or bring tablets. I'm ok with that in the modern age, but I do like holding a paper Bible with a nice leather binding and cover.
 
In my first Wednesday night Bible Study at a new (to me) church I asked people to open their Bibles to a particular chapter. Not a single person had a Bible. Some went to the sanctuary and scrounged up some pew Bibles. Turns out my predecessor had called it Bible study but it was basically him saying whatever he felt on whatever subject. LOL...
Let me tell you, joining the church as been a real eye-opener when it comes to scripture-reading. It is amazing how much more knowledgeable the converts are when compared to the "cradle Catholics." (And I imagine this probably holds true in most denominations.) To be honest, I probably could have taught the OCIA class, myself. Scott Hahn has postulated that the last several decades (going back to Vatican II) has been an ignoble experiment on the part of the church to see how many hopelessly ignorant parishioners they can create. At this point, I can't help but agree with him.
 
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