2 major reasons for Auburn & UT recruiting crash

[Proxigean Tide]

I believe there are 2 reasons why Auburn and UT have been able to recruit so well this past decade and both those influences/circumstances have been eliminated...resulting in inability to recruit and disappointing classes for both:

1. Auburn and UT took advantage of unstable or inept coaching situations at surrounding schools, weak recruiting by neighboring programs and probation problems for Bama to pretty much mine talent from Georgia, carolinas, Florida, Alabama, Kentucky, Lousiana, Mississippi and Arkansas. Over the past 5-6 years, all surrounding schools have upgraded their coaching and started keeping all the local talent away from poachers like Fulmer and Tubby. The recuiting base for Auburn and UT has been systematically destroyed.

2. Questionable academic pracices: Both Auburn and UT have been discovered to run sham courses and do all sorts of questionable things to keep marginal players academically eligible. Even though the NCAA did nothing to either, these schools now face hieghtened scrutiny with respect to academic affairs of athletes. The inability to fudge numbers and offer football players a "stress free" academic free ride has got to hurt these school's ability to pull players from outside the area.

 

[BamaSkins]

Excellent points...I haven't thought much about until now...

Richt has sealed up Georgia
Meyer has helped sealed up Florida
Davis and Bowden have sealed up the Carolinas
Miles has sealed up Louisiana
Saban has sealed up Alabama

Tennessee is stuck up in the northeast corner of that state...plus the talent level in Tenn is never very high which means vols have to rely on getting talent out of these other states...not happening now

the barn has always been second fiddle in the state of Alabama until our problems of the last 8-10 years, but that is now behind us, they have no where to recruit...they are shut-in to home grown barn fan talent...which will be the end of them...

plus I think that fulmer is seriously looking at the end of his run by retiring (wouldn't surprise me if he retires at the end of next year)

wingnut has also got to be thinking in the back of his head how can I get out of this $6m buyout so I can leave this place...didn't seem to me like he put much into recruiting this year.

The worm has turned...vols and barn have enough talent on board to keep them going for a year or so, but then end is in sight! I love it! Death to both programs!

 

[exiledNms]

The reasons stated succinctly:

1. Their coaches

2. Our coaches.

The end. :biggrin:

 

[foley_boy]

Excellent points...I haven't thought much about until now...

Richt has sealed up Georgia
Meyer has helped sealed up Florida
Davis and Bowden have sealed up the Carolinas
Miles has sealed up Louisiana
Saban has sealed up Alabama

Tennessee is stuck up in the northeast corner of that state...plus the talent level in Tenn is never very high which means vols have to rely on getting talent out of these other states...not happening now

the barn has always been second fiddle in the state of Alabama until our problems of the last 8-10 years, but that is now behind us, they have no where to recruit...they are shut-in to home grown barn fan talent...which will be the end of them...

plus I think that fulmer is seriously looking at the end of his run by retiring (wouldn't surprise me if he retires at the end of next year)

wingnut has also got to be thinking in the back of his head how can I get out of this $6m buyout so I can leave this place...didn't seem to me like he put much into recruiting this year.

The worm has turned...vols and barn have enough talent on board to keep them going for a year or so, but then end is in sight! I love it! Death to both programs!

Don't forget Spurrier! I agree with you though....I went to lunch with a few people yesterday, one of them happened to be a barner...he's not a die hard fan but he watches the games and talks trash...anyways, I told him a joke I heard on another site about how Tubby was struggling to get recruits so bad that he was seen on the freeway trying to throw scholarship offers in people's windows....sad thing was....most of them got thrown back...of course he brought up how they've beaten us 6 years in a row now. I smiled and agreed with him. I told him that the past ten years should have been the golden age for Auburn football. Bama was on probation, we were down and out most of the time, we had like 5 different coaches, and Auburn consistently got the best talent in the state. But then I told him...hey...Auburn's had ten years of an ideal situation, they still didn't win a national title...and even when they went undefeated the rest of the country just patted them on the head like a retarted child and said...good job...how's 2nd place sound? The ideal situation is ending...and the best part is....the only thing the barners have to show for it is a peoples championship....and a lot of victories over us...state championships are good if your in high school...but someone should inform them that they're not a high school team.........technically

 

[Nashphil]

At least as regards Fulmer....

My theory, based on what I consider reliable information, is that, quite simply, Fulmer cheated like crazy to get the talent he got at Tennessee. He is not a good "coach" and has lived off superior talent and a good bunch of assistants.

The irony is that his involvement in the Bama mess exposed him as a hypocrite, who is being watched like a hawk by his colleagues because of his hypocricy. I think most coaches are well aware of Phil's and Tennessee's extra benefits programs and, though they have no love for Alabama, most folks can't stand a hypocrite. Imagine one of the biggest (literally and figuratively) cheaters in the history of the sport actually turning in another school for cheating! In short, Fulmer is now a pariah among his fellow coaches. That, and the repeated criminal activity his guys are involved in spell poor recruiting, and Fulmer simply can't succeed on a level playing field.

 

[Crimson Cat]

Excellent points...I haven't thought much about until now...

Richt has sealed up Georgia
Meyer has helped sealed up Florida
Davis and Bowden have sealed up the Carolinas
Miles has sealed up Louisiana
Saban has sealed up Alabama

Tennessee is stuck up in the northeast corner of that state...plus the talent level in Tenn is never very high which means vols have to rely on getting talent out of these other states...not happening now

the barn has always been second fiddle in the state of Alabama until our problems of the last 8-10 years, but that is now behind us, they have no where to recruit...they are shut-in to home grown barn fan talent...which will be the end of them...

plus I think that fulmer is seriously looking at the end of his run by retiring (wouldn't surprise me if he retires at the end of next year)

wingnut has also got to be thinking in the back of his head how can I get out of this $6m buyout so I can leave this place...didn't seem to me like he put much into recruiting this year.

The worm has turned...vols and barn have enough talent on board to keep them going for a year or so, but then end is in sight! I love it! Death to both programs!

IMO, this is the new SEC teams that will dominate for awhile. Also UNC/Davis and Clemson is winning head-to-head battles agaisnt TN, as are BAMA/Saban. The foundation for a shift in the SECW for sure has been laid and I think it will soon be, LSU and BAMA. LSU is already there, Bama is turning the curve. It began with hire of Coach Saban and staff, then in landing the #1 recruiting class yesterday. In the east its GA and FL. GA has made a lot of headway the last couple of years and I think will be a major player for awhile. Kudos to Bowden at Clemson he landed a really good class yesterday and between him and Davis at UNC will continue to give TN fits. The barn fans can spin it all they want but in no way did they salvage their class this year. They got spanked and Tubs knows it. Not just by Alabama, but by FL, FSU, and GA too. Roll Tide !:BigA:

 

[Proxigean Tide]

IMO, this is the new SEC teams that will dominate for awhile. Also UNC/Davis and Clemson is winning head-to-head battles agaisnt TN, as are BAMA/Saban. The foundation for a shift in the SECW for sure has been laid and I think it will soon be, LSU and BAMA. LSU is already there, Bama is turning the curve. It began with hire of Coach Saban and staff, then in landing the #1 recruiting class yesterday. In the east its GA and FL. GA has made a lot of headway the last couple of years and I think will be a major player for awhile. Kudos to Bowden at Clemson he landed a really good class yesterday and between him and Davis at UNC will continue to give TN fits. The barn fans can spin it all they want but in no way did they salvage their class this year. They got spanked and Tubs knows it. Not just by Alabama, but by FL, FSU, and GA too. Roll Tide !:BigA:

I think you are correct. When you add Jimbo Fisher at FSU, Johnson at Ga Tech, Nutt at Ole Miss and Petrino at Arkansas, the expanded recruiting base for both Auburn and Tennessee are being eliminated.

 

[dvldog]

The reasons stated succinctly:

1. Their coaches

2. Our coaches.

The end. :biggrin:

and 2 more:

1. We are Bama

2 They are not

 

[rollntider]

I think the main reason UT and the Barn are suffering in recruiting is that UGA and UF are keeping the Barn at Bay those states lets face it, the Barn has went head to head with Florida and UGA. Richt is shutting them down. Meyer is recruiting like Saban. UT used to pick and choose here and there. But Butch Davis, Saban and Meyer are taking his recruits.

Even Houston Nutt took Auburns RB yesterday.

 

[Crimson Cat]

I read an article somewhere earlier today about Coach Saban basically locking down Mobile. I don't remember where, I've read tons already,but if I can find again, I'll link it.
In the article, one of the Mobile high school coaches basically stated that Coach Saban and his assistants just out-worked Tubs and his assistant assigned to that area. He said the barn was sending their assistant/s and recruited that area, but that an assistant was no match for recruiting against Coach Saban head-to-head. He also said Coach Saban earned his pay because he was there, not just his assistants, each and every minute he was allowed to be according to NCAA recruiting guidelines, and making it count. This coach said also that if the barn was going to have any success in that area from now on, Tubbs was going to have get more involved. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[Tide64]

You guys have it all wrong. The only reason Saban was able to recruit well was the promise of early playing time,

uat SHOULD have a very good class. After all, is there a single player on that "roster" NOW?

Think about it...really....

Gee, I don't remember any of them saying we had a lack of talent when they were beating us...

Auburn didn't need any more good players

AU has 2 great recruiting classes on campus and most of those guys will stay at AU. Most all top teams fluctuate between single digit down to the 20's in reruiting class rankings. You get a couple of good classes and the next year recruits go elsewhere o they can start sooner.

Of course, Florida and Georgia are deep with young players, but that didn't stop them from going after the top guys.

Of course, this guy deosn't see it that way

One sub-par recruitng year (if that's what we had) doesn't mean our program is going down. However, you can definately believe this!!!!! You cannot literally concede all the top athletes to that bunch year in and year out, as well as Florida and Georgia and still maintain a top program!!!!! So, I say to all you younger "eternal optimists" out there, you'd better wake up and realize that we have to do better rather than just try and rationalize what has just happened. Yes, we all love Auburn but the dark days CAN return if we don't remain vigilant and proactive. This was NOT a small thing that just happened and Tubs makes too much money to let it happen again. I don't even like to contemplate the possibility of us returning to the awful, dark days again. (I hate to say it, but some of those days you spoiled, younger people have little or NO knowledge of) Yes, some of you are spoiled and it's easy to become that way when you are winning like we've done since Coach Dye came and leveled the playing field, made us believe, and turned it around. I think Tuberville should re-evaluate everything he's doing relative to recruiting and NOW, to insure that this doesn't happen again next year. WDE!!!

The excuses and rationalizations are flowing like water on the AU boards!!

ROLL TIDE!!!!​

 

[Capt. Jack]

Vigor coach Kerry Stevenson said Auburn has reaped the benefits from Alabama's lack of effort in the Mobile area in recent years -- a situation that Saban has changed drastically, often with personal appearances.

"Auburn hadn't been doing an incredible job of recruiting, it's just that they had been recruiting," Stevenson said. "(Auburn assistant) James Willis can't outrecruit Nick Saban. Coach (Tommy) Tuberville is going to have to get more involved to have success in this area."

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/sports/120237936833190.xml&coll=3

That about sums it up.

 

[Crimson Cat]

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/sports/120237936833190.xml&coll=3

That about sums it up.

Thanks Capt. Jack this is the article I was referring to as well.

 

[Bama-fo-life]

Excellent points...I haven't thought much about until now...

Richt has sealed up Georgia
Meyer has helped sealed up Florida
Davis and Bowden have sealed up the Carolinas
Miles has sealed up Louisiana
Saban has sealed up Alabama

Tennessee is stuck up in the northeast corner of that state...plus the talent level in Tenn is never very high which means vols have to rely on getting talent out of these other states...not happening now

the barn has always been second fiddle in the state of Alabama until our problems of the last 8-10 years, but that is now behind us, they have no where to recruit...they are shut-in to home grown barn fan talent...which will be the end of them...

plus I think that fulmer is seriously looking at the end of his run by retiring (wouldn't surprise me if he retires at the end of next year)

wingnut has also got to be thinking in the back of his head how can I get out of this $6m buyout so I can leave this place...didn't seem to me like he put much into recruiting this year.

The worm has turned...vols and barn have enough talent on board to keep them going for a year or so, but then end is in sight! I love it! Death to both programs!

I think you can say that Saban locked up LSU as well. Kids are not going to LSU because of Elmer Fudd, they are going becasue LSU has been a winner over the last eight years. Who made them a winner again? CNS. Coach Elmer Fudd won the Natioinal Title but he still did it with CNS d.c. and players.

 

[Bama1970]

"They outworked everybody," St. Paul's offensive coordinator Tyler Siskey said of the Tide. "If they were allowed to be out by the NCAA, they were here. They can say what they want to -- (Saban) earns his check. They were relentless, but that's what it takes to be successful and I think you're seeing the results of it today."

:BigA::BigA::BigA::BigA:

 

[red55]

Coach Elmer Fudd won the Natioinal Title but he still did it with CNS d.c. and players.

Nick's DC coached for Auburn, chief, not LSU.

 

[crimson_blood]

Nick's DC coached for Auburn, chief, not LSU.

Yeah at some point people are gonna have to start giving Miles some credit for what he's done at LSU. Saban rebuilt their program for sure, but the whole "Miles is just winning with Saban's players" is about used up at this point.