2017 NFL Draft Thread (April 27-29)

[TitleWave]

I have never been so happy after the 1st round. Jonathan Allen is coming home! We got insanely lucky.

Gotta be the best PR stroke for the Redskins since they lured Vince Lombardi out of retirement for one final season as a head coach. (OK, a little hyperbole there. But don't think for a second that this kind of "homecoming" for Jonathan Allen won't somehow enhance Saban's recruiting efforts in the talent-rich Va.-D.C. area. Also a prediction: 'Skins will be taking Richie Petitbon III in a couple years, too.)

 

[JustNeedMe81]

I struggled to understand why some teams made picks that wasn't necessary, but I guess it was more of a bragging right. Cam Robinson should've been gone mid 1st round. Howard should've been in top 10... I'm just speechless. I hope 2nd round is where teams right the ship

 

[CrimsonForce]

I am also a huge Redskins fan and fully support the idea of getting Tomlinson. I also love the idea of grabbing Tim Williams at some point. We need a pass rusher and with Allen we have a great leader on D who know Williams and won't be afraid to call him out and also support him off the field.

3 things.

1. We have no idea how good Wentz really is yet and we really have no idea how good Watson will be in the NFL.

2. Look at the rookie QBs who have the most success most years. They are either Andrew Luck type or go to teams that have a good supporting cast. What is the point of drafting a rookie QB if you don't have the pieces around him that will help him succeed.

3. Don't draft a QB early just because you need a QB. Look at past drafts, there are often 0 franchise QBs in some drafts so there is no guarantee that you would even get a QB worth it. Why overdraft a player when there are better players left?

Right, all of this is speculative at this point. With that being said if you're the Browns would you rather have Watson or Peppers + another mid round pick? This isn't a situation where the Browns had to mortgage their future (like the Rams did last year and the Bears this year) to have a shot at a franchise QB. That's 2 years in a row the Browns have passed on QBs with really good pedigrees to draft Corey Coleman and Jabrill Peppers. This strategy is why the Browns - and other teams like the Jaguars, Chargers, Rams, Bears etc. - almost always pick in the top 10 of the draft..

 

[GP for Bama]

I was surprised the Outland Trophy winner was passed over for other offensive lineman.

 

[dvil doc]

Gotta be the best PR stroke for the Redskins since they lured Vince Lombardi out of retirement for one final season as a head coach. (OK, a little hyperbole there. But don't think for a second that this kind of "homecoming" for Jonathan Allen won't somehow enhance Saban's recruiting efforts in the talent-rich Va.-D.C. area. Also a prediction: 'Skins will be taking Richie Petitbon III in a couple years, too.)

Yep, and hopefully DaShawn Hand (Woodbridge High School) next year.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I wasn't terribly surprised about Cam slipping to the second round. Now, I think if he can get parts of his game cleaned up, he can be a dominant force. Which, I don't know, kind of begs the question about this foolish notion from these GMs that they'd rather draft potential instead of a finished product because they have more room to grow. Well there is Cam with plenty of room to grow.

I don't know. It seems logic is a dirty word in the NFL scouting process.

 

[Nolan]

Here's my .02 on how the Titans did:

I was pretty disappointed with the selection of Corey Davis with the #5 overall selection. If you're going to take a WR that high in the draft he needs to be as much of a can't miss prospect as possible (big, tall, fast) like Calvin Johnson, Julio, AJ Green etc. I think if you go WR there you have to go with Mike Williams. But, I would've taken Jamal Adams with the #5 pick. I think he'll be a great leader and he's very versatile. Titans need just as much help in the secondary as they do at WR.

The next pick I thought for sure we'd get a player who could be a solid contributor from day 1. These are the players still on the board at that time: OJ Howard, Reuben Foster, Evan Engram, Gareon Conley, Tre'Davious White. It would be tempting to take Foster there but the Titans really need some help in the pass game so I would've gone with OJ Howard or Evan Engram. Instead, they pick what I consider to be a luxury pick in Adoree' Jackson. Jackson is a fantastic athlete who will instantly upgrade the special teams play (kick/punt return) but I don't see him as a big contributor in the secondary.

So the Titans selected Corey Davis and Adoree' Jackson when we could've had Jamal Adams and Howard, Engram or Foster

I know there's a few other Titans fans on here. Let me know how you think we did..

It was very underwhelming. I agree that their first pick could have been Adams or they could have traded back a few spots and picked up another 3rd or 4th round pick.

By taking a WR already, they put themselves in a tough spot with the second 1st round pick. They had to go defense, when clearly the best player available was OJ Howard. So yeah, ideally they would have taken Jamal Adams and OJ Howard. That would have been a superb 1st round IMO.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Gotta be the best PR stroke for the Redskins since they lured Vince Lombardi out of retirement for one final season as a head coach. (OK, a little hyperbole there. But don't think for a second that this kind of "homecoming" for Jonathan Allen won't somehow enhance Saban's recruiting efforts in the talent-rich Va.-D.C. area. Also a prediction: 'Skins will be taking Richie Petitbon III in a couple years, too.)

It really probably is. Fans were really upset this off-season with how the firing of our GM went down and there are a lot of fans who HATE Bruce Allen. Picking up Pryor and Swearinger gained some good will but not like this. I think this pick was the dream scenario for many Skins fans.

Right, all of this is speculative at this point. With that being said if you're the Browns would you rather have Watson or Peppers + another mid round pick? This isn't a situation where the Browns had to mortgage their future (like the Rams did last year and the Bears this year) to have a shot at a franchise QB. That's 2 years in a row the Browns have passed on QBs with really good pedigrees to draft Corey Coleman and Jabrill Peppers. This strategy is why the Browns - and other teams like the Jaguars, Chargers, Rams, Bears etc. - almost always pick in the top 10 of the draft..

I mean, I completely disagree. You can't convince me you should use a 1st rounder on a QB when you see other players that you think are clearly better. You also have to look at it in context. The QB class next year looks like it could be incredible with Darnold, Faulk, Rosen, and a ton of other really talented QBs. So yes, I would rather have Peppers and Coleman than Watson at least.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I struggled to understand why some teams made picks that wasn't necessary, but I guess it was more of a bragging right. Cam Robinson should've been gone mid 1st round. Howard should've been in top 10... I'm just speechless. I hope 2nd round is where teams right the ship

Way too high vs the concerns teams have about him. His 'mental lapse' false starts are hurting him the most. I know there is 'no good time' for a false start but for some reason it seemed like Cam's were always at the absolute worst time. Drive killers.....momentum killers.

He also scored a 16 on the Wonderlic which is 10 points lower than the average score for his position.

There's a few other issues with his technique etc. but I don't wanna sit here and rail on the guy. Just saying the perception is that he has many things to clean up and might be suited more for RT and not LT. Which is why I always thought the 1st round for him was too high of a projection. He will probably go in the 2nd for sure though.

 

[Moro Creek]

Why were Cam's technique issues not cleaned up by our coaching staff?

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Way too high vs the concerns teams have about him. His 'mental lapse' false starts are hurting him the most. I know there is 'no good time' for a false start but for some reason it seemed like Cam's were always at the absolute worst time. Drive killers.....momentum killers.

He also scored a 16 on the Wonderlic which is 10 points lower than the average score for his position.

There's a few other issues with his technique etc. but I don't wanna sit here and rail on the guy. Just saying the perception is that he has many things to clean up and might be suited more for RT and not LT. Which is why I always thought the 1st round for him was too high of a projection. He will probably go in the 2nd for sure though.

Wonderlic is the most pointless and meaningless part of the draft process. It doesn't matter at all. I agree he had mental lapses but watch him vs Garrett and tell me he's not 1st round material. I think teams made a mistake on him personally.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Cam fell because of the Gun incident. Hypocritical as that seems.....looking at who else was drafted last night.

I think the Saints nab Tim Williams at 42.

I also think we see EJ go in Round #2......so, Rd 2 will be busy: Cam, Williams, EJ, Ardarius and Ryan. Dalvin is a maybe too.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Way too high vs the concerns teams have about him. His 'mental lapse' false starts are hurting him the most. I know there is 'no good time' for a false start but for some reason it seemed like Cam's were always at the absolute worst time. Drive killers.....momentum killers.

He also scored a 16 on the Wonderlic which is 10 points lower than the average score for his position.

There's a few other issues with his technique etc. but I don't wanna sit here and rail on the guy. Just saying the perception is that he has many things to clean up and might be suited more for RT and not LT. Which is why I always thought the 1st round for him was too high of a projection. He will probably go in the 2nd for sure though.

Cam, in my opinion, "false started" his way out of a first round selection. Repeating what you've already said, Cam's false starts not only were often but were in crucial parts of drives and in some cases crucial parts of games. That stuff matters to the NFL scouts and it definitely hurt him last night.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Wonderlic is the most pointless and meaningless part of the draft process. It doesn't matter at all. I agree he had mental lapses but watch him vs Garrett and tell me he's not 1st round material. I think teams made a mistake on him personally.

High Skill + Low Wonderlic = inconsistent performance
Moderate Skill + High Wonderlic = somewhat consistent performance

He will be better than Vince -- but he won't be a Super Bowl QB.....too much speed in the secondary.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Cam fell because of the Gun incident. Hypocritical as that seems.....looking at who else was drafted last night.

I think the Saints nab Tim Williams at 42.

I also think we see EJ go in Round #2......so, Rd 2 will be busy: Cam, Williams, EJ, Ardarius and Ryan. Dalvin is a maybe too.

I would be a little surprised if Eddie went in round 2. There are still a lot of DBs left that will probably go before him.

 

[rgw]

Cam, in my opinion, "false started" his way out of a first round selection. Repeating what you've already said, Cam's false starts not only were often but were in crucial parts of drives and in some cases crucial parts of games. That stuff matters to the NFL scouts and it definitely hurt him last night.

I think the false starts are a symptom of a larger issue. He was trying to make up the difference in his get up into his protection stance v. elite rushers by anticipating the snap. He did good with that trick most of college. He mostly neutralized Garrett in his starts against him. Still, the NFL franchises are looking at that and thinking "he already needs an edge to handle college pass rush" so what does that mean for the pros?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I think the false starts are a symptom of a larger issue. He was trying to make up the difference in his get up into his protection stance v. elite rushers by anticipating the snap. He did good with that trick most of college. He mostly neutralized Garrett in his starts against him. Still, the NFL franchises are looking at that and thinking "he already needs an edge to handle college pass rush" so what does that mean for the pros?

No doubt it is a symptom of something larger. It's either a physical, mechanical or a mental issue. Mental meaning the inability to stay focused. But it definitely cost him.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Why were Cam's technique issues not cleaned up by our coaching staff?

That's a loaded question man. I can't even begin to answer that without criticizing both the player and a staff member(s).

The PC answer is that the staff is responsible for 100's of players and they only have 3-4 years with them most of the time. It's gotta be near impossible to fix every single player's weak spots.

I'm shocked Marlon was taken so high. His glaring weakness is not locating the ball. They even brought it up last night when he was picked....why was that not fixed? Hard to say.

 

[CrimsonForce]

I think it's funny that our guys - Foster and Robinson - dropped because of supposed off field issues which include owning a gun without proper permit and yelling at a nurse. Meanwhile, Bowles (IIRC) and Conley both get drafted high when one was kicked out of 5 different schools and the other is being investigated for rape. BTW, I don't think Conley did what he's accused of. So, morale of the story, if you want to be a high draft pick don't yell at a nurse..

 

[TideEngineer08]

Why were Cam's technique issues not cleaned up by our coaching staff?

Oh I don't doubt they tried, and I don't doubt Cam did too.

But they are not perfect. Another coach might have greater success, especially the NFL where they get much, much more time with the players than college does.