A Different Take? Not as bad as it looked - NO TEASERS

[UKTideFan1961]

I know the old "if'in" game is the home of the desperate fan, but...

We had two TDs brought back due to penalties. Not a couple of possible TD drives stopped by penalties - two TDs brought out of the end zone.

We had someone wide open down the right sideline on what looked like a wheel route or something close that JM overthrew by about 1/2 inch that would almost certainly been a TD.

There was the fumble that was and wasn't on the 4th down at midfield. Maybe they did get it right, and if so then no problem. But the explanation in the stadium made no sense. How can there be a pass when no one had possession?

My point is that even with those things and all the other bad (JM, o-line, d-line) we only lost by 10.

I will remain optimistic until no other option remains.

 

[Cruloc]

While I do see your points here.....

One of those TD's brought back should have been an interception, should have never been thrown. Was only a penalty because Milroe tucked the ball and ran so his linemen thought he was running. But yes, no penalty there and we would have caught a break.

That wheel route throw fits into those intermediate throws that Milroe has trouble with. He missed that throw by a foot or more. Unfortunately the kid just doesn't have touch on short throws.

The fumble down the sideline should have been reviewed. The fumble on the 4th down play wasn't a fumble because Ewers never touched it, which made it a bad snap.........I remember thinking, but you still can't advance a fumbled snap on 4th down. Welp, I was wrong. What a fluke play.

My optimism with Milroe as QB went out the window vs Texas. Good kid, but a basket case out there. You can tell he's not confident and that permeates throughout that offense.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I am still optimistic. And, taking your points and looking at how close we were, but realizing the misses were because of our poor play, I think the best result was that we DID lose so that it forces us to fix things that are broken.

Flip those few plays and have us win 38-34, and we are all glossing over the obvious deficiencies on this team. And more critically, it's difficult for players and coaches to fix issues when they win vs when they lose.

 

[AlexanderFan]

What second touchdown was erased by penalty? I remember the tip drill touchdown, but what was the second touchdown erased by penalty?

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

My biggest worry remains QB.

Clearly, there is something with Ty where he is still having trouble adjusting to college so he's behind Buchner now.

Buchner I think could be more effective or consistent down to down than Milroe but he likely is also less explosive both from a running standpoint and from a deep ball standpoint. He also does have a history of turning the ball over so even if there is improvement there it might not be enough.

I'm just not sold we have a QB on the roster who can cover the other holes on the team well enough to get us to where we need to be to compete for an SEC or National Championship. Also, playing Texas early in the year gives other teams a blueprint on how to attack us. Not many of them can pull it off the way Texas did but there are a few who might be able to.

 

[UKTideFan1961]

What second touchdown was erased by penalty? I remember the tip drill touchdown, but what was the second touchdown erased by penalty?

Jermain Burton had two brought back. One was on a block downfield (the tip drill one you mention) late in the first half. Then early in the 3rd quarter Burton caught another and took it in only to have it brought back due to holding.

The first would have made it 13-10 at the half rather than 13-6. The second would have made it 17-13 Bama early in the 3rd quarter (assuming, of course, the first one counted).

 

[CB4]

I know the old "if'in" game is the home of the desperate fan, but...

We had two TDs brought back due to penalties. Not a couple of possible TD drives stopped by penalties - two TDs brought out of the end zone.

We had someone wide open down the right sideline on what looked like a wheel route or something close that JM overthrew by about 1/2 inch that would almost certainly been a TD.

There was the fumble that was and wasn't on the 4th down at midfield. Maybe they did get it right, and if so then no problem. But the explanation in the stadium made no sense. How can there be a pass when no one had possession?

My point is that even with those things and all the other bad (JM, o-line, d-line) we only lost by 10.

I will remain optimistic until no other option remains.

This was the correct call as weird as it may have seemed.
First as it relates to a “pass”’ -the center snap (whether under center or In shotgun) is considered a backwards “pass”-same as a lateral.
So why wasn’t it considered a “fumble”? It really is excepted for one thing - possession. Same as catching a punt, if the receiver doesn’t gain possession (ex: ball goes straight his arms to the ground) by rule it considered a “muff”. The snap went straight through Ewers hands.

In the play on Saturday, because it was a fourth down play, if Ewers would have taken the snap, possessed the ball, then dropped it, by rule ONLY he could have picked it up and advanced it. Because it was a “muff” of a backwards pass (center snap) , it was considered a “free ball” and it could be recovered and advanced by anyone, which is what the running back did to gain the first down. If Ewers would actually taken the snap, gained control then fumbled it, when the running back picked it up and advanced it, it would have been returned to the spot where the running back touched it and ruled “dead” and Alabama would have taken over on downs. In essence if you think about it, Texas got “rewarded” on a botched center snap.

The rule was implemented specifically to try to prevent a player on 4th down from the attempt to fumble a ball forward to a teammate or out of bounds ahead of the chains to gain a first down. (See: “The Holy Roller” - Oakland vs San Diego AFC Playoffs).

 

[DrollTide]

We should not make excuses. We had some missed opportunities, but as Travis Reier pointed out, Texas had some missed opportunities also. We were somewhat out-muscled, and I don't like saying it but out-coached at times. Maybe we would win a rematch but we certainly lost that one.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

I'm optimistic still. I still wonder if last season would have gone differently had we lost that Texas game. It's difficult to correct those mistakes (i.e. miscues, 18 penalties) when you end up winning the game.despite.them. We didn't get our lesson until late October, and I felt by January that we were capable of beating UGA.This year, we got our lesson in week 2. Maybe this will help us find that murderball mentality we supposedly had in the preseason. That would help some. If we can find a QB, that will be another step in the right direction. Then, if our O Line can figure it out, we'll.be golden. We also.have to fix all.these.things before we lose again. There's a lot we have to change, but we do have.the GOAT running the show, so.I think there's hope to.be found.

 

[Tiderollin32]

Check out the stats for the 2015 Ole Miss game. See if you see any similarities.

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Ole Miss at Alabama Box Score, September 19, 2015

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[SkullDuckery]

I know the old "if'in" game is the home of the desperate fan, but...

We had two TDs brought back due to penalties. Not a couple of possible TD drives stopped by penalties - two TDs brought out of the end zone.

We had someone wide open down the right sideline on what looked like a wheel route or something close that JM overthrew by about 1/2 inch that would almost certainly been a TD.

There was the fumble that was and wasn't on the 4th down at midfield. Maybe they did get it right, and if so then no problem. But the explanation in the stadium made no sense. How can there be a pass when no one had possession?

My point is that even with those things and all the other bad (JM, o-line, d-line) we only lost by 10.

I will remain optimistic until no other option remains.

Sark sat on the ball the last 7 minutes or it would have been a 17 point loss.

 

[SkullDuckery]

This was the correct call as weird as it may have seemed.
First as it relates to a “pass”’ -the center snap (whether under center or In shotgun) is considered a backwards “pass”-same as a lateral.
So why wasn’t it considered a “fumble”? It really is excepted for one thing - possession. Same as catching a punt, if the receiver doesn’t gain possession (ex: ball goes straight his arms to the ground) by rule it considered a “muff”. The snap went straight through Ewers hands.

In the play on Saturday, because it was a fourth down play, if Ewers would have taken the snap, possessed the ball, then dropped it, by rule ONLY he could have picked it up and advanced it. Because it was a “muff” of a backwards pass (center snap) , it was considered a “free ball” and it could be recovered and advanced by anyone, which is what the running back did to gain the first down. If Ewers would actually taken the snap, gained control then fumbled it, when the running back picked it up and advanced it, it would have been returned to the spot where the running back touched it and ruled “dead” and Alabama would have taken over on downs. In essence if you think about it, Texas got “rewarded” on a botched center snap.

The rule was implemented specifically to try to prevent a player on 4th down from the attempt to fumble a ball forward to a teammate or out of bounds ahead of the chains to gain a first down. (See: “The Holy Roller” - Oakland vs San Diego AFC Playoffs).

The only problem is his knee touched down on the advance before he crossed the first down marker. They reviewed the play and how they missed this I don’t know?

 

[JohnD]

The only problem is his knee touched down on the advance before he crossed the first down marker. They reviewed the play and how they missed this I don’t know?

This is the sort of crap that usually goes against us down on the pasture.

 

[CajunCrimson]

I know the old "if'in" game is the home of the desperate fan, but...

We had two TDs brought back due to penalties. Not a couple of possible TD drives stopped by penalties - two TDs brought out of the end zone.

We had someone wide open down the right sideline on what looked like a wheel route or something close that JM overthrew by about 1/2 inch that would almost certainly been a TD.

There was the fumble that was and wasn't on the 4th down at midfield. Maybe they did get it right, and if so then no problem. But the explanation in the stadium made no sense. How can there be a pass when no one had possession?

My point is that even with those things and all the other bad (JM, o-line, d-line) we only lost by 10.

I will remain optimistic until no other option remains.

Please fix your title. No teasers.

 

[Scobaman]

While I do see your points here.....

One of those TD's brought back should have been an interception, should have never been thrown. Was only a penalty because Milroe tucked the ball and ran so his linemen thought he was running. But yes, no penalty there and we would have caught a break.

That wheel route throw fits into those intermediate throws that Milroe has trouble with. He missed that throw by a foot or more. Unfortunately the kid just doesn't have touch on short throws.

The fumble down the sideline should have been reviewed. The fumble on the 4th down play wasn't a fumble because Ewers never touched it, which made it a bad snap.........I remember thinking, but you still can't advance a fumbled snap on 4th down. Welp, I was wrong. What a fluke play.

My optimism with Milroe as QB went out the window vs Texas. Good kid, but a basket case out there. You can tell he's not confident and that permeates throughout that offense.

I disagree with the confidence position. It appears that he is confident far beyond his ability to run the offense (he doesn't realize what he doesn't know). The split screen of him talking to Rees seemed to scream that he just does not get it. I can't imagine how frustrating it has to be when the plays you can call as the offensive coordinator are so limited by that one factor.

 

[AWRTR]

I disagree with the confidence position. It appears that he is confident far beyond his ability to run the offense (he doesn't realize what he doesn't know). The split screen of him talking to Rees seemed to scream that he just does not get it. I can't imagine how frustrating it has to be when the plays you can call as the offensive coordinator are so limited by that one factor.

TR is boxed into a corner. I know some have thrown some blame his way, but I am not ready to do that. He doesn't have a QB that can run any offense. It's like Jalen Hurts at his earliest levels of development on steroids. Jalen may not have been able to read the whole field, so they gave him half field reads and he didn't make hardly any mistakes as far as turnovers. He would take off or throw the ball away. I got so sick of run to the right sideline and throw the ball out of bounds, but after years in the program he improved drastically, and has improved so much he's elite in the NFL. Milroe is a third year guy that hasn't improved at all.

 

[deltatider]

One last kick in the junk from the Texas game is something that just dawned on me...we're over here complaining about how we didn't win either line of scrimmage on Saturday, then you look across the field to see Bo Davis (former Dline coach/top recruiter) and Kyle Flood (former Oline coach) wearing burnt orange....And I'm pretty sure one of our top offensive off field staffers is now an on-field coach for Sark too...Can remember his name right off but I'm pretty sure he was the primary recruiter for Arch. A lot of things to keep in perspective...

 

[Oregon Tide]

One last kick in the junk from the Texas game is something that just dawned on me...we're over here complaining about how we didn't win either line of scrimmage on Saturday, then you look across the field to see Bo Davis (former Dline coach/top recruiter) and Kyle Flood (former Oline coach) wearing burnt orange....And I'm pretty sure one of our top offensive off field staffers is now an on-field coach for Sark too...Can remember his name right off but I'm pretty sure he was the primary recruiter for Arch. A lot of things to keep in perspective...

So the question is: if Sark and Saban decided on the Sunday before the game to coach the opposite team, who wins? I'll let you decide if it's talent or coaching.

 

[day-day]

The only problem is his knee touched down on the advance before he crossed the first down marker. They reviewed the play and how they missed this I don’t know?

I've re-watched the play from the camera angles behind Texas and it does not look like the knee ever touched. That camera angle from above shows nothing.

 

[SkullDuckery]

I've re-watched the play from the camera angles behind Texas and it does not look like the knee ever touched. That camera angle from above shows nothing.

I have to and for a split second it touches, but que sera sera.