After worst postseason loss in Alabama history, the Tide are on the wrong side of a 'fine line' under Kalen DeBoer

[J-Rod1988]

In all honesty & I'm sure I'll get blasted for saying this..

I would take Pete Golding in a heartbeat, instead of the absolute crap we seen yesterday, say what you want about the man..

Ole Miss looked as good they did when Kiffin was there & in all honesty they looked like a better coached team under Golding..

Flame away i can handle it..

Stop it. You can’t even make that call yet. How’s Golding gonna look when the 6 guys on the offensive staff move over to LSU. Yes he has the intensity on the sidelines we’d love to see, but you absolutely can’t make a call on how he will be as a head coach until he puts his own staff together and you see an on field sample size.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I can't argue against that brother, buttttt, I'd take his defense over Coach Wommack's "Swarm Defense" too be honest..

At times our D looks more lost, than our offense(let that sink in), I just dont think the Bama Standard is being met at all on either sides of the ball or in any phases of the game..

That's definitely a coaching problem..

If you watched his defense the other night why would you want Goldings defense in place of Wommacks? Ole Miss gave up four or five 3rd/4th and VERY LONG that kept UGA in the game. Wommacks defenses don't do that. They may not be dominant but by god we're not giving up the Pete Golding 3rd and forevers each game.

 

[davefrat]

yeah, but it still doesn't make us "mid-pack"

and we were totally obliterated by the acc champ in the 2019 nc game

2019 Alabama might beat 2025 Alabama by 50+.

Whatever it is tier wise, I see us right now as a good team, so-so playoff contender with very little chance of actually winning a NC.

Despite coming in first, by the end of the season I felt we were more like the 3rd or 4th best team in the conference.

We stumbled across the finish line and the last quarter of the season was just short of a total disaster.

 

[92tide]

2019 Alabama might beat 2025 Alabama by 50+.

Whatever it is tier wise, I see us right now as a good team, so-so playoff contender with very little chance of actually winning a NC.

Despite coming in first, by the end of the season I felt we were more like the 3rd or 4th best team in the conference.

We stumbled across the finish line and the last quarter of the season was just short of a total disaster.

we started a downward slide in late oct/early nov that coincided with ty's injury, or whatever that was that turned him into a complete liability for november

 

[tusks_n_raider]

2019 Alabama might beat 2025 Alabama by 50+.

Whatever it is tier wise, I see us right now as a good team, so-so playoff contender with very little chance of actually winning a NC.

Despite coming in first, by the end of the season I felt we were more like the 3rd or 4th best team in the conference.

We stumbled across the finish line and the last quarter of the season was just short of a total disaster.

The SEC was such a mess this year.

I feel like in the end OM and UGA were the Top 2 teams.

Next at 3-5 is from a pool of Bama, Texas, and A&M… I dunno who’s better because they are all flawed.

6-7 is OU and Vandy. They were both probably worse than their records.

Then it’s begins a long line of mediocre starting with Mizzou, Tenn, LSU and getting worse.

My impression of the league is down with how poor the postseason showings have been.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

we started a downward slide in late oct/early nov that coincided with ty's injury, or whatever that was that turned him into a complete liability for november

I agree, we cannot discount the impact Ty's injury had after the Missouri game. He was top three in the Heisman running after that game. Then the downward spiral hit and our offense started to tank. But, on the other side of the coin, regardless of the injury, the lack of running game was more than likely going to catch up with is against better teams. As good as Ty was when he was healthy, it would have gotten exponentially harder for him to still put up the numbers he was putting up as teams started to adjust to us not having a running game. It's all speculation, but the odds say we would have maybe won one more game, maybe two, but the Indiana game would have still happened. Maybe not 38-3, but still a loss.

 

[92tide]

The SEC was such a mess this year.

I feel like in the end OM and UGA were the Top 2 teams.

Next at 3-5 is from a pool of Bama, Texas, and A&M… I dunno who’s better because they are all flawed.

6-7 is OU and Vandy. They were both probably worse than their records.

Then it’s begins a long line of mediocre starting with Mizzou, Tenn, LSU and getting worse.

My impression of the league is down with how poor the postseason showings have been.

i didn't pay much attention to ole miss this season, but uga looked pretty mediocre outside of a couple of games (texas, seccg against us, and the second half of their first shootout with ole miss)

 

[Tidewater]

Offensive line coach? George Barnett, University of Iowa. Offensive lines play with an attitude. Always tough, technically sound. Winners of the Joe Moore Award for best offensive line this year. Solid hire.

As an aside, I find it endearing that you can find Barnett's email and telephone number on the public web page.
Imagine a coach did that in the SEC.

 

[92tide]

I agree, we cannot discount the impact Ty's injury had after the Missouri game. He was top three in the Heisman running after that game. Then the downward spiral hit and our offense started to tank. But, on the other side of the coin, regardless of the injury, the lack of running game was more than likely going to catch up with is against better teams. As good as Ty was when he was healthy, it would have gotten exponentially harder for him to still put up the numbers he was putting up as teams started to adjust to us not having a running game. It's all speculation, but the odds say we would have maybe won one more game, maybe two, but the Indiana game would have still happened. Maybe not 38-3, but still a loss.

i think his decline put our already anemic run game completely out to pasture.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

i didn't pay much attention to ole miss this season, but uga looked pretty mediocre outside of a couple of games (texas, seccg against us, and the second half of their first shootout with ole miss)

Yeah they (UGA) definitely were not dominant and played with their food most of the year.

They seemed to play a bit better and consistent from the mid point of season starting with Miss St.

OM has some close games too.

There is so much parity in the league now.

I guess I’d only say those two teams remained the most consistent with minimal lows and a few highs and in the end that equated to the best W/L records and seasons.

Nobody was dominating though.

 

[Tidewater]

I agree, we cannot discount the impact Ty's injury had after the Missouri game. He was top three in the Heisman running after that game. Then the downward spiral hit and our offense started to tank. But, on the other side of the coin, regardless of the injury, the lack of running game was more than likely going to catch up with is against better teams. As good as Ty was when he was healthy, it would have gotten exponentially harder for him to still put up the numbers he was putting up as teams started to adjust to us not having a running game. It's all speculation, but the odds say we would have maybe won one more game, maybe two, but the Indiana game would have still happened. Maybe not 38-3, but still a loss.

It is interesting that every starting pitcher in the Majors gets pulled almost every game.
At some point, the manager walks to the mound and asks for the ball.
This does not crush the pitcher's ego. He is usually back on the mound in four days, pitching like before.
I wonder why QBs are not like that.
I still believe that if Coach DeBoer had had a press conference after Ty's injury and announced, "Ty is hurt. He is not being benched. This is not a critique of his performance. He is simply hurt. Until Ty is back to playing shape, Mack is going to get the snaps with the 1s and will start."
That would have saved face for Ty, given Mack some very necessary game experience (experience that would have come in handy in the 2nd half of the Indiana game), and given Alabama a better chance to win.
I admire Ty's determination and commitment to the team to play through injury, but in the last quarter of the season he was a shell of his earlier self. It might have been better for all if Mack had gotten those snaps. USCe, close game (Too close for comfort). Oklahoma, loss. Barn, close game. UGA, crushing loss, Indiana embarrassing loss.

 

[umlb1]

The journo is stretching to say the least...he is likely a B1G or ACC alum....SEC had a down year in the Bowl season but we put 5 teams in the playoffs...most losses were one possession games with the SEC the "lower" seed etc..close games but just edged out...only blowout loss was Bama...and as for being Illinois....that's ludicrous...63-10 vs 38-3 and Illinois lost other games to really bad teams. The SEC haters can have their day as it is a down year again for results..but Ole Miss could still win it all! lol This may be a banner year for results for the B1G...fortune has favored their bowl teams....let them have their day....once in a decade they are the better conference...I'll take that

That's fair, and I never said that I agreed with Toppermeyer's conclusion that we are more like a mid-pack SEC team, although we looked like that in a few games this season. And to anyone who thinks that we have achieved something by being on top of the SEC at the end of the regular season, let's remember that there were 4 1-loss SEC teams, and the only reason we made it to the SECCG was due to a formula for breaking ties, and we certainly didn't appear to be a worthy opponent, injuries aside.

Also, I would assert that although Curry, DuBose, and Shula each had one 10-win season during their time at the helm, none of those were championship caliber teams over the long haul. True, Bama played in the Sugar Bowl as the SEC rep in 1989 due to their win over UT (their only loss that year) but lost badly to Miami, and somehow, DuBose's 1999 team beat UF twice, winning the SEC, and played a respectable bowl game against Michigan, but also lost in the regular season at home to La Tech. Curry left for UK after the 1989 season, and both DuBose and Shula were shown the door one year after their 10-2 seasons, primarily because they followed up those lone 10-win seasons with records of 3-8 and 6-6, respectively (the 2006 Tide team ended at 6-7, but Shula did not coach the bowl game).

If we want to feel good about ourselves, we can celebrate being in the SECCG and even a CFP victory over OU, but if we can learn anything from history, it would be to try and fix the underlying problems that caused this 2025 team to play so inconsistently at times, especially in the first and last games. I sincerely hope that CKD takes a very honest look at himself, his staff, his philosophy, and his roster to see where improvements need to be made and make them. Coaches Bryant and Saban did that and each won multiple championships afterwards. I really hope CKD can do the same.

 

[TitleWave]

If you watched his defense the other night why would you want Goldings defense in place of Wommacks? Ole Miss gave up four or five 3rd/4th and VERY LONG that kept UGA in the game. Wommacks defenses don't do that. They may not be dominant but by god we're not giving up the Pete Golding 3rd and forevers each game.

Dunno, but with Gol*ing's new gig, his e*giness and fiery sideline *emeanor, I look for him to go poll *ee* and officially change his name to Ol*ing of Ole Miss and flip the 1-4-6 to the modern day flying wedge or as applied to 'Bama's OL, more excuse to whiff 90% of the time on their blocks.

As for current travails with the Tide staff, most of those still employed as of Jan. 2 need to be serving up their product from both side doors of a Mister Softee truck with DeBoer the franchisee.

 

[rtr90]

2019 Alabama might beat 2025 Alabama by 50+.

Whatever it is tier wise, I see us right now as a good team, so-so playoff contender with very little chance of actually winning a NC.

Despite coming in first, by the end of the season I felt we were more like the 3rd or 4th best team in the conference.

We stumbled across the finish line and the last quarter of the season was just short of a total disaster.

this

couldnt have said it better

 

[Stonecoldtide]

If you watched his defense the other night why would you want Goldings defense in place of Wommacks? Ole Miss gave up four or five 3rd/4th and VERY LONG that kept UGA in the game. Wommacks defenses don't do that. They may not be dominant but by god we're not giving up the Pete Golding 3rd and forevers each game.

Agree
Remember 3rd and Gol*ing
No “D”available.

 

[Saban4Ever]

i think his decline put our already anemic run game completely out to pasture.

I just read that not only did Ty play with a herniated disc since the Mizzou game, he also delt with gastritis from the medicine, and had elbow bursitis. Then of course he fractured his rib in the Indiana game. He is a warrior. I wonder why the coaches let him play in the cupcake game... he should have rested. I believe when he is healthy, he can be a 1st round pick.

 

[davefrat]

I agree, we cannot discount the impact Ty's injury had after the Missouri game. He was top three in the Heisman running after that game. Then the downward spiral hit and our offense started to tank. But, on the other side of the coin, regardless of the injury, the lack of running game was more than likely going to catch up with is against better teams. As good as Ty was when he was healthy, it would have gotten exponentially harder for him to still put up the numbers he was putting up as teams started to adjust to us not having a running game. It's all speculation, but the odds say we would have maybe won one more game, maybe two, but the Indiana game would have still happened. Maybe not 38-3, but still a loss.

If Ty was so badly beat up that he was a liability then perhaps DeBoer should have replaced him.

 

[TDBama78]

I just read that not only did Ty play with a herniated disc since the Mizzou game, he also delt with gastritis from the medicine, and had elbow bursitis. Then of course he fractured his rib in the Indiana game. He is a warrior. I wonder why the coaches let him play in the cupcake game... he should have rested. I believe when he is healthy, he can be a 1st round pick.

Pro teams will examine the medical side of ty especially a herniated disk, we've got good Drs and they let him play, hopefully it won't affect him long term.

 

[davefrat]

Agree
Remember 3rd and Gol*ing
No “D”available.

The Sugar Bowl was classic Golding third and forever defensive failures combined with classic Kirby going nuts trying to stop a mobile sandlot QB.

 

[BamaFan6462]

I approve this post. IIRC, Mal Moore told Shula that some changes had to be made in his staff. Shula refused and subsequently was fired. Does Byrne, who hired Deboer, have the intestinal fortitude to issue the same ultimatum to Deboer, or does the size of his buyout cause Byrne to hint or try to soft sell his suggestions concerning, not a complete, but a quite major overhaul of his staff? Time will tell.

* Just saw 64 Grad's post and I heartily approve it too. Well said.

I would hope DeBoer is smart enough to know he is likely coaching for his job next season and that the current OL situation won’t fly three years in a row. If a new OL coach isn’t announced soon, there needs to be a change at HC at the end of next season. If I were in Byrne’s shoes, I’d have already met with DeBoer after the embarrassment the other day and if I didn’t get the correct answers to the questions I asked, I’d start researching a replacement right now.