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Isaiah 63:1 said:
Rat poison.

DCs will figure Tua out to a degree, if they haven’t already. Not to say he won’t be great, but no one scores at will by the time they get into the meat of the schedule.

Our secondary will be tested early and often, and the injury big already has not been kind to us.

Not intending to be an eeyore; but I don’t think any team that has been thoroughly anointed by the chattering class before the first game has ever won out. There’s a reason they’re in the media and not on the sidelines...


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Because they didn't want to be a coach?

Seriously... Do y'all think all media members except Cecil Hurt are just a bunch clowns?
 
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Padreruf said:
If we try real hard we could get to 300 pages on this thread before kickoff Saturday night!!! Would that be a record?
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Monday was the six month birthday/anniversary of this thread :beatdeadhorse5: on TideFans.com:beatdeadhorse5: on TideFans.com
 
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Isaiah 63:1 said:
DCs will figure Tua out to a degree, if they haven’t already. Not to say he won’t be great, but no one scores at will by the time they get into the meat of the schedule.
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Rat poison, maybe. Truth, maybe. But figuring out a QB like Tua - assuming he's as good as we've seen in his little bit of play time so far - is easy. The stopping him is the difficult part. Alabama's offense has largely been hampered by average QB play for the last decade, despite often having WRs that were good enough that at least one was open on just about every single snap. Having a QB that can potentially read and get the ball to the WRs (especially the group Bama has now, which could very well be the most talented group of WRs ever at Alabama) whenever they're open is something we've not seen before at the Capstone.

Think of an offense that scores like OU last year combined with a real defense - that's what has people salivating.
 
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crimsonaudio said:
Rat poison, maybe. Truth, maybe. But figuring out a QB like Tua - assuming he's as good as we've seen in his little bit of play time so far - is easy. The stopping him is the difficult part. Alabama's offense has largely been hampered by average QB play for the last decade, despite often having WRs that were good enough that at least one was open on just about every single snap. Having a QB that can potentially read and get the ball to the WRs (especially the group Bama has now, which could very well be the most talented group of WRs ever at Alabama) whenever they're open is something we've not seen before at the Capstone.

Think of an offense that scores like OU last year combined with a real defense - that's what has people salivating.
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Yes, something like this is what we need if we want to keep winning championships. I think the days are about over where a team can win a championship with just good defense and average QB play. We saw that the past two seasons now. Recruiting elite QB's, or at least better than average ones are what's needed to win in the future. We will have Taulia when Tua is gone but I hope the Tagovailoa's have started a trend where we recruit some very good ones.
 
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crimsonaudio said:
Rat poison, maybe. Truth, maybe. But figuring out a QB like Tua - assuming he's as good as we've seen in his little bit of play time so far - is easy. The stopping him is the difficult part. Alabama's offense has largely been hampered by average QB play for the last decade, despite often having WRs that were good enough that at least one was open on just about every single snap. Having a QB that can potentially read and get the ball to the WRs (especially the group Bama has now, which could very well be the most talented group of WRs ever at Alabama) whenever they're open is something we've not seen before at the Capstone.

Think of an offense that scores like OU last year combined with a real defense - that's what has people salivating.
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When was the last time I was really and truly excited about an Alabama QB? Gosh, I can't remember. This year I am all agog.
 
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crimsonaudio said:
Think of an offense that scores like OU last year combined with a real defense - that's what has people salivating.
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Ding ding ding!

I think I've said this before, sometime last year, but I think the next 2 years could significantly change the perception of CNS teams (assuming Tua is as good as everyone thinks).
 
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RollTide_HTTR said:
Ding ding ding!

I think I've said this before, sometime last year, but I think the next 2 years could significantly change the perception of CNS teams (assuming Tua is as good as everyone thinks).
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Dare I say add 3 years with Taulia and it could be 5 years of octane offense!
 
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Isaiah 63:1 said:
Rat poison.

DCs will figure Tua out to a degree, if they haven’t already. Not to say he won’t be great, but no one scores at will by the time they get into the meat of the schedule.

Our secondary will be tested early and often, and the injury bug already has not been kind to us.

Not intending to be an eeyore; but I don’t think any team that has been thoroughly anointed by the chattering class before the first game has ever won out. There’s a reason they’re in the media and not on the sidelines...


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Pretty sure Kirby knew he would throw a vert route on the last play. Knowing and stopping are two different things.
 
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CajunCrimson said:
Pretty sure Kirby knew he would throw a vert route on the last play. Knowing and stopping are two different things.
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Meh. It was a blown coverage pure and simple. Yeah Tua three a absolute perfect ball no doubt but still a blown coverage. What I expect teams to do vs Bama (until the D solidifies) is play keep away and try to take the game away from Alabama. The only teams I see having a offense to do that would be Missouri, maybe Auburn and A&M. Will be interesting.
 
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BamaMoon said:
Don't think it's just about Tua, but about combining high level qb play with our receivers and running game.

Most teams are not going to be able to play us straight up so they'll have to pick which one they want to try to stop. Load up to stop the run and we'll kill 'em passing. Drop back to stop the pass and we'll run it down their throats.
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This is the key. Not having film on Tua or knowing what he can do. It's about stopping the entire offense, because that's what Tua brings to the table.
 
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Brobrettjohnson said:
Meh. It was a blown coverage pure and simple. Yeah Tua three a absolute perfect ball no doubt but still a blown coverage. What I expect teams to do vs Bama (until the D solidifies) is play keep away and try to take the game away from Alabama. The only teams I see having a offense to do that would be Missouri, maybe Auburn and A&M. Will be interesting.
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Wasn't just a blown coverage. The safety was out of position because Tua redirected him.

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Brobrettjohnson said:
Meh. It was a blown coverage pure and simple. Yeah Tua three a absolute perfect ball no doubt but still a blown coverage. What I expect teams to do vs Bama (until the D solidifies) is play keep away and try to take the game away from Alabama. The only teams I see having a offense to do that would be Missouri, maybe Auburn and A&M. Will be interesting.
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LOL!!! It was a 'Blown Coverage' because Tua FROZE the Safety with his Eyes and Head and Body by staring down the right side of the field and leaning into a pocket drop back with mechanics set to thrown that direction.....for as long as possible .....and then in 1 fluid Cobra fast motion he somehow snapped his body to the left, turned his Head and Eyes, and threw a LASER!!! POW!!!!

If any other QB on our roster had run that play the same way they wouldn't have been able to get that pass off succesfully.....even with the Safety hedging his bets/peaking/staying on the hash.... the play by anyone else would have taken too long and allowed Recovery and the Pass would have likely been batted at best and INT'd at worst.

'Keep Away' requires being able to hold onto the ball for long sustained drives wearing down the defense and it's usually done with a heavy dose of running. Missouri and A&M play fastball with spread/RPO passing attacks.....drives will either end quickly on downs or a fast score.

Now AU usually has some kind of competent running game but they are super inexperienced at RB right now. How good their running game will be is TBD for right now....

But by time we play them our Defense will be Postseason ready. As long as our LB corp and DL stays healthy we will be more than ready to deal with them.

The only interesting regular season game I see on the horizon might be LSU IF Burrow is legit at QB....

Honestly though UGA is the only team on paper that should be able to hang with us as long as we don't beat ourselves.
 
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CajunCrimson said:
Pretty sure Kirby knew he would throw a vert route on the last play. Knowing and stopping are two different things.
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You’re pretty sure Kirby expected four verts and a 41 yard pass on 2nd and 26? Pretty sure the standard call would be to try run a 2nd and 26 play that gets you to 3rd and 10-ish...


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EscaTider said:
Wasn't just a blown coverage. The safety was out of position because Tua redirected him.
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Agree, but only to a point. The safety has only one job to do on that play. He has to trust his team mates to do theirs. He didn't. He allowed Tua to keep him off his line by trying to do too much on the play. If he just does his job, that pass is not available. Of course, there were 2 other receivers and the RB wide open for shorter passes, so no matter what you were going to be okay, but the CB on that route had the underneath coverage. The safety knows this. The safety knows that if the receiver releases up the field, he is the only person who can defend him.

So, it boils down to one thing - that safety did not do his job. Call it a blown coverage, or call it something else, but that is where it starts and stops. If he does his job, the pass is never thrown. I understand the desire to give Tua all of the credit, but you can bet that Kirby saw it completely differently. And, as a DB coach, Saban probably sees it the same way Kirby does. Sometimes you straight up beat the other team, and sometimes they help. That safety helped.
 
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Does it really matter if the safety failed or if Tua is Superman? The main point is - is that with the talent we have around the QB, most teams will fail to execute 12-15 times per game. With Tua that number climbs to 18-20. That's worth at least two more scoring plays. 6-14 pts more per game. That's Herbie's point.
 
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Brobrettjohnson said:
Meh. It was a blown coverage pure and simple. Yeah Tua three a absolute perfect ball no doubt but still a blown coverage. What I expect teams to do vs Bama (until the D solidifies) is play keep away and try to take the game away from Alabama. The only teams I see having a offense to do that would be Missouri, maybe Auburn and A&M. Will be interesting.
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Do you realize you can say "meh, a player didn't execute properly" about EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. in football?
 
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B1GTide said:
Agree, but only to a point. The safety has only one job to do on that play. He has to trust his team mates to do theirs. He didn't. He allowed Tua to keep him off his line by trying to do too much on the play. If he just does his job, that pass is not available. Of course, there were 2 other receivers and the RB wide open for shorter passes, so no matter what you were going to be okay, but the CB on that route had the underneath coverage. The safety knows this. The safety knows that if the receiver releases up the field, he is the only person who can defend him.

So, it boils down to one thing - that safety did not do his job. Call it a blown coverage, or call it something else, but that is where it starts and stops. If he does his job, the pass is never thrown. I understand the desire to give Tua all of the credit, but you can bet that Kirby saw it completely differently. And, as a DB coach, Saban probably sees it the same way Kirby does. Sometimes you straight up beat the other team, and sometimes they help. That safety helped.
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Of course your are correct but there was a couple missteps. The CB did not do his job at the line either, he was supposed to jam, at least reroute the receiver, would have allowed a couple more seconds for safety to possibly rebound and get back over the top. With no disruption of timing, that is what really allowed Tua to do his thing, he knew where and when without staring that way.
It made for one intense story, I still get overly excited when I talk about that play.
 
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