Alabama QBs in 2024, II

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jjv0004

All-SEC
Dec 13, 2017
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Everybody on here is an armchair QB. Including me. I love Milroe as a person but don't think he will ever get to the point that he gets the ball out quickly enough and with enough accuracy to be very successful (win it all). I have no idea what Simpson can do. He literally got to play in one real game last year when it mattered. He might be a great practice player and stink it up when the lights come on.

The good news is that we have a new coach following the best college coach of all time. That new coach's strength is the offense. Oh, and he wins (104-12). I think in the end we can trust that he will put the guy out there who he thinks will give the team the best chance to win.
 

davefrat

Hall of Fame
Jun 4, 2002
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Dude…watch…the games. You are absolutely out of your mind if you think those guys didn’t show significant improvement over the season. Milroe had one good game against LSU because Rees changed things up, then it was back to his old ways.

Decision making isn’t going to show up as a stat. If you honestly think the Blake Sims we saw against WVU was the same one that broke records against Florida, then you’re blind. Coker improved immensely as the year went on.
You have your opinion, I have mine.

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm "absolutely out of my mind" and that I'm "blind" because you think differently.

Disagreeing with you doesn't make me an idiot.
 

colbysullivan

Hall of Fame
Dec 12, 2007
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You have your opinion, I have mine.

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm "absolutely out of my mind" and that I'm "blind" because you think differently.

Disagreeing with you doesn't make me an idiot.
Never said you were an idiot for disagreeing with me. I’m simply saying you’re wrong in this case. The QBs I listed improved over the year significantly. Milroe did not. That’s not an opinion.
 
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bamajas

All-SEC
Oct 5, 2005
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Dude…watch…the games. You are absolutely out of your mind if you think those guys didn’t show significant improvement over the season. Milroe had one good game against LSU because Rees changed things up, then it was back to his old ways.

Decision making isn’t going to show up as a stat. If you honestly think the Blake Sims we saw against WVU was the same one that broke records against Florida, then you’re blind. Coker improved immensely as the year went on.
And they also had the worst defense of anyone we played
 

gtgilbert

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Aug 12, 2011
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The post he was responding to wasn't about Jalen Milroe specifically...it was about the concept of a QB making dramatic improvement over the course of a season, which someone who was defending Milroe appeared to argue earlier in this thread. For the record, I don't think Milroe really improved much during the season last year, which is why they had to change the play calling to help him. Which is in part why I said I didn't think that many QBs show dramatic improvement during a season.

My reply above challenges Colby's narrative about former QB's showing dramatic improvement.
Here's how I'd look at all those seasons.

As someone else mentioned, AJMac played prior to the offensive modernization in the SEC. You'd expect lower production than comparing against today. Despite that, and despite also playing LSU twice, whose defense was only second to ours that year and was essentially an NFL level defense, AJ progressed that season enough that against the second best defense in college football, the coaches trusted him to throw 34 times.

For Sims, to illustrate growth, I'd look at the last 4 games against ranked teams (taking W Carolina out). 31, 27, 27 and 36 attempts. Against Auburn and Mizzo 74.1 and 85.2% completion rate. Passing yardage was lower than you might think due with that amount of passing, but that offense used the short passing game, very, very extensively to stretch the field horizontally and Blake was pretty darn effective in being decisive, making the right reads/decisions and executing what he should have given the D. Even against LSU, the staff trusted him to pull the trigger 45 times in that game, and then against OSU, the best team we played, he was called on for 36 attempts.

With the 2015 team, we had King Henry to rely on a lot, so the passing numbers aren't as heavy as they might have been but he still had almost 400 passing attempts in the season. Other than ole **** at the start of the year, his heavier pass attempts (in games where he played it out - i.e. not charleston) stayed pretty consistent with perhaps a slight increase in average toward the end and against 3 top 25 teams at the end of the put up pretty good stats even if clemson was a bit of a drop off. MSU is where it really showed though as MSU thought they'd just try to stop DH, and Jake made them pay.
 

TiderJack

Hall of Fame
Jul 9, 2010
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Inverness, AL
Never said you were an idiot for disagreeing with me. I’m simply saying you’re wrong in this case. The QBs I listed improved over the year significantly. Milroe did not. That’s not an opinion.
OK, then say it that way. Saying someone is "out of their mind" and "blind" because they did not see things your way is disrespectful.
 

81usaf92

TideFans Legend
Apr 26, 2008
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South Alabama
some people are taking one of our QBs performance in one game last year and wrote him off already.
Well what’s new? Too many people treat quarterback battles the same way tweens in the 2010s treated twilight arguments. It makes no sense but it has a lot of anger and vitriol.
 

tusks_n_raider

Hall of Fame
May 13, 2009
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Mobile, AL
I'll let @tusks_n_raider answer for himself, but that's not how I understood his point.

His point is a bold take, but I think what he's attached to it is IF a change at QB is going to occur this season, it'll have to play out on the field.

IF it happens as people/fans/media witness TS is better the change will happen more smoothly within the dynamic of the team.

I *think* that's what he's suggesting if his prediction turns out to be true.

I will say this regarding the possibility of this happening.

IF it does, Jalen Milroe has a huge responsibility to learn from Jalen Hurts to accept a change was needed and to be a great, supporting teammate like Hurts was.
This is correct.

I think they are also in good faith giving Jalen a chance to keep the job while also being ready to quickly move to Ty if/when the opportunity comes up.

My feeling is that they know from what they see day to day that Ty is better.

But that gameday is a whole other beast. They probably need to see Ty on game day playing better to make the switch.

Imo Jalen will have to have made big strides in the off season to run CKD’s offense at a high level on Gameday against real competition.

It’s possible he’s improved but that wasn’t on display in the spring so I still have big doubts.

Ty can run it. If he can run it on Gameday like he does in practice I just don’t see how he doesn’t move up to QB1.