Alabama QBs in 2024

[mlh]

Ty has wheels as well!

He just needs to learn to hold onto the ball until he gets all the way across the goal line.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

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I’ll do my best…

I didn’t see anything you didn’t see. I am just not willing to write the kid off until we see how much progress he makes between now and September.

2nd…of course I can come on here and tell you what I think about your comments. In fact I’ll double down and say it again. If you’re one of those who will say JM will never be our starter this fall, before you’ve given him a chance to learn the system and improve and before you’ve given the coaches a chance to evaluate and determine if he actually might give us the best chance of winning this fall, then I say you’re just a little dumb. JK


My message is the same for anyone. Please be nice and please be realistic and give the kids a chance. That’s the message.

thank you sir

Well, as for #2 you did sit here and tell people what they shouldn't post.
As for JM, critiquing someone is not saying he can't. It's saying based on visible real game evidence people question if he can make enough progress quickly enough to be the starter in this offense. And that's a legitimate concern, if you want to be honest about the situation.
If you go back and read my posts, I haven't said he can't. But I have said he's got a long row to hoe if he's going to do it.

Personally, I don't care who starts. I just want an honest, open qb competition and let the best equipped qb (both mentally and physically) win out.

And no offense taken on the little bit dumb comment because I have been known to on occasion....lol

 

[davefrat]

Well, as for #2 you did sit here and tell people what they shouldn't post.
As for JM, critiquing someone is not saying he can't. It's saying based on visible real game evidence people question if he can make enough progress quickly enough to be the starter in this offense. And that's a legitimate concern, if you want to be honest about the situation.
If you go back and read my posts, I haven't said he can't. But I have said he's got a long row to hoe if he's going to do it.

Personally, I don't care who starts. I just want an honest, open qb competition and let the best equipped qb (both mentally and physically) win out.

And no offense taken on the little bit dumb comment because I have been known to on occasion....lol

I trust that DeBoer is going to choose the player he believes gives us the best chance to win.

At this point, I have no idea who that may be...could be any of them.

 

[Superdad]

This may be a dumb question but can the players get the playbook before spring practice starts? I would think so. As long as nobody is coaching them. Just curious.

 

[gtgilbert]

This may be a dumb question but can the players get the playbook before spring practice starts? I would think so. As long as nobody is coaching them. Just curious.

yes, for sure on the playbooks. My understanding is that in offseason, that 8 hours per week of 'Countable Athletically Related Activities' are allowed. This could include mandatory weight training and conditioning (so long as these do not simulate offensive or defensive alignments and no equipment that would be used in playing the sport can be used as part of conditioning) and up to two hours of film study. For football no skill instruction is allowed (other sports are allowed some time). So in theory, the coaches could be having the players study film of the new offense and defense for 2 hours a week.

 

[CoolBreeze]

yes, for sure on the playbooks. My understanding is that in offseason, that 8 hours per week of 'Countable Athletically Related Activities' are allowed. This could include mandatory weight training and conditioning (so long as these do not simulate offensive or defensive alignments and no equipment that would be used in playing the sport can be used as part of conditioning) and up to two hours of film study. For football no skill instruction is allowed (other sports are allowed some time). So in theory, the coaches could be having the players study film of the new offense and defense for 2 hours a week.

And for the serious ones, they are in the playbook, watching film and out scrimmaging in the park everyday for about 4 hours a day on their own.

 

[BamaSully]

Well, as for #2 you did sit here and tell people what they shouldn't post.
As for JM, critiquing someone is not saying he can't. It's saying based on visible real game evidence people question if he can make enough progress quickly enough to be the starter in this offense. And that's a legitimate concern, if you want to be honest about the situation.
If you go back and read my posts, I haven't said he can't. But I have said he's got a long row to hoe if he's going to do it.

Personally, I don't care who starts. I just want an honest, open qb competition and let the best equipped qb (both mentally and physically) win out.

And no offense taken on the little bit dumb comment because I have been known to on occasion....lol

lol same here!

Roll Tide

 

[BamaMoon]

And for the serious ones, they are in the playbook, watching film and out scrimmaging in the park everyday for about 4 hours a day on their own.

So important too and even more so this year in learning new plays and timing, which will be more important than ever, or so it seems!

 

[Bill from NYC]

Well, one thing we know is we're going to get real open competition in the spring and fall.

I hope that you are correct but sadly I doubt it. I truly believe that Milroe will be handed the job.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I hope that you are correct but sadly I doubt it. I truly believe that Milroe will be handed the job.

I hate to bust it to you, but CKD knows job opportunities like this don't just open up every day. So if you think he's not going to ensure he finds out who the best players are and put them on the field to ensure he doesnt get off to a horrendous start. You are sadly mistaken. He would be an utter idiot to "give" anyone a starting spot who hadn't truly earned it.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

He is more of a "throw it deep" first type of QB than a run first. He would overlook or not see open receivers in intermediate routes to throw deep to a guy who was either blanketed or double-covered. That's one of several things that he never seemed to get better at as the season went on. I have no issue hitting the deep ball, but when you've got a receiver or multiple receivers wide open in the 10-20 yard range in the middle of the field that's where the ball needs to go, not thrown to a wr already covered deep down the field.

I agree with what you said. My major criticism was Jalen sometimes taking a 8 count before he made the decision to throw, run, or get sacked for a 10 yard loss.
Against bad teams that didn't matter. but when we played better teams they knew how to Defense Jalen. Our OL was not good, but even a good OL can't continue a block for a count of 8 without holding.
AND... Add to that a Center who had way too many centers over the QB head, or rolled to him, and several times the centers were 3-4 foot away from the QB. This caused a number of three and outs.
I don't care who our QB is if they can do the job, but the QB must read the Defenses... If he does not, it may be a bad play.

 

[BamaMoon]

I hope that you are correct but sadly I doubt it. I truly believe that Milroe will be handed the job.

Last year did a number on our fan base's psyche.

As much as we all loved CNS, the way the QB situation was handled and this talk of "the team choosing the QB" raised a ton of questions, some of which, that'll probably never be answered.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I agree with what you said. My major criticism was Jalen sometimes taking a 8 count before he made the decision to throw, run, or get sacked for a 10 yard loss.
Against bad teams that didn't matter. but when we played better teams they knew how to Defense Jalen. Our OL was not good, but even a good OL can't continue a block for a count of 8 without holding.
AND... Add to that a Center who had way too many centers over the QB head, or rolled to him, and several times the centers were 3-4 foot away from the QB. This caused a number of three and outs.
I don't care who our QB is if they can do the job, but the QB must read the Defenses... If he does not, it may be a bad play.

Decision making is where Milroe HAS TO improve. The ONLY thing that is somewhat alarming to me is how CNS and CTR stopped trying to teach him and give him opportunities to learn the RPO exchange. They literally reached a point where they took that away from him and predetermined what he was to do. That is very concerning to me that they'd reach a point where they basically said "Okay, you're not getting this and showing no signs of getting it so we're taking it away from you". That's what concerns me because reading coverages pre snap and in plays is harder.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Decision making is where Milroe HAS TO improve. The ONLY thing that is somewhat alarming to me is how CNS and CTR stopped trying to teach him and give him opportunities to learn the RPO exchange. They literally reached a point where they took that away from him and predetermined what he was to. That is very concerning to me that they'd reach a point where they basically said "Okay, you're not getting this and showing no signs of getting it so we Taki g it away from you". That's what concerns me because reading coverages pre snap and in plays is harder.

Agreed. The more I read about DeBoer's offense and the decision trees that are inherent in it, the more I'm convinced that one of three things has to happen:

1. Milroe will get markedly better and faster making both decisions and decisions predicated on previous decisions. Or....

2. DeBoer and Grubb will modify the offense to emphasize what Milroe does best and de-emphasize what he struggles with. Or....

3. Someone else will be the starter.

 

[BamaMoon]

Agreed. The more I read about DeBoer's offense and the decision trees that are inherent in it, the more I'm convinced that one of three things has to happen:

1. Milroe will get markedly better and faster making both decisions and decisions predicated on previous decisions. Or....

2. DeBoer and Grubb will modify the offense to emphasize what Milroe does best and de-emphasize what he struggles with. Or....

3. Someone else will be the starter.

Only way I see #2 happening is if #3 doesn't provide a "good" alternative. I find it hard to believe out of AM, TS and DL that one of them couldn't be serviceable, good or even pretty good.

I do think it's important for CKD's offense to make a statement. I don't really think dialing it back and totally changing it is an option unless the other QBs would cause us to have a losing record.

FWIW, if JM's "best" would be 9-3 but that could only come thru changing his offense but another QB could be 8-4 or 9-3 while running his offense, I'd go with the QB who could run the offense he intends for no other reason than it starts to lay a foundation of things to come. JMO.

 

[HighlandOak]

I thought the goal was to teach each QB their Offense. From what I understand, they will not be running the Alabama Offense that we have seen for a number of years. This way the standard Defenses that have Defended our plays may not be the right call. The DeBoer Offense will included a lot of decision making that the Rees Offense did not require. The Rees Offense was over Simplified for Milroe.

. . . could not require.

 

[gtgilbert]

I see the weaknesses. He made a lot of improvement during the season and then the better defensive staffs caught up to those improvements by seasons end. He was going to need to make more improvements this off-season with or without the coaching change.

I think the difference is that I still believe in his ability to improve and I can’t wait to see how he does and I hope he doesn’t read tidefans and find out a bunch of Bama fans have completely given up on him and written him off!

well, what really happened was that CTR made significant changes to the offense to try to accomodate what JM could do and took out a lot of stuff he wasn't able to do; JM didn't really progress in the areas he needs to if he wants to be a passing threat. We had one good offensive outing against a team with a pulse - LSU - and even then JM threw for only 220 or so, with the rest of the damage being as a runner. Then Kentucky and Chattanooga; not exactly tests. It took a prayer of a play to score 27 to beat Auburn and the offense struggled mightily against UGA and UM.

Can JM improve to where he needs to be? Anything is possible and it certainly seems like he's got the desire and work ethic to push hard to get there, but the reality is JM would have to show more improvement from now till August than Jalen Hurts did from the first snap he took as a freshman to when he was drafted. Hurts got there over 4 years, and his floor was way higher to start with. JM is starting from behind where Hurts was by a big margin and will need to get there 7 months. It'd be a big lift to get there...

 

[gtgilbert]

Decision making is where Milroe HAS TO improve. The ONLY thing that is somewhat alarming to me is how CNS and CTR stopped trying to teach him and give him opportunities to learn the RPO exchange. They literally reached a point where they took that away from him and predetermined what he was to. That is very concerning to me that they'd reach a point where they basically said "Okay, you're not getting this and showing no signs of getting it so we taking it away from you". That's what concerns me because reading coverages pre snap and in plays is harder.

Yep, and that's likely the easiest read a QB could make and if you have a guy who can't do that, it's a really tall task to get them into a multi-read pass progression at the speed they need to be able to process and pull the trigger.

And for the record, this has nothing to do with if JM is smart enough. Raw intelligence and processing speed can be totally different things. For example, my father-in-law is a legitimate genius; Like 1 in 1 million + level genius. There's stuff he can do that very few people can do. That said, it takes him a minute to really get his brain moving. When he gets put on the spot for a quick decision or something like that, and it's almost like he can get a brain block or like it takes a second to search the depths of the memory bank to get there, but once he gets started, almost no one can go where he can go.

I say all that only because it's not just about JM being able to learn all the new plays, concepts, reads, protections and terminology. It's all that PLUS some. It's having the innate ability to see something (or maybe even multiple somethings) in 1/100th of a second, recognize it, process exactly what that means, and determine what reaction he needs to have to it.

 

[davefrat]

I hope that you are correct but sadly I doubt it. I truly believe that Milroe will be handed the job.

Why do you believe that?

 

[BamaSully]

Yep, and that's likely the easiest read a QB could make and if you have a guy who can't do that, it's a really tall task to get them into a multi-read pass progression at the speed they need to be able to process and pull the trigger.

And for the record, this has nothing to do with if JM is smart enough. Raw intelligence and processing speed can be totally different things. For example, my father-in-law is a legitimate genius; Like 1 in 1 million + level genius. There's stuff he can do that very few people can do. That said, it takes him a minute to really get his brain moving. When he gets put on the spot for a quick decision or something like that, and it's almost like he can get a brain block or like it takes a second to search the depths of the memory bank to get there, but once he gets started, almost no one can go where he can go.

I say all that only because it's not just about JM being able to learn all the new plays, concepts, reads, protections and terminology. It's all that PLUS some. It's having the innate ability to see something (or maybe even multiple somethings) in 1/100th of a second, recognize it, process exactly what that means, and determine what reaction he needs to have to it.

Very well stated. It’s like the difference in a player who is quick versus one who is fast. 40 time versus reaction time. Javier Arenas was always getting run down from behind, but only after he had broken several ankles and gained 20-30 yards on a punt return. Quick but not fast.

I work with someone who is probably very smart but it’s hard to really tell because he always takes too long to get his mind wrapped around the question.

You may be on to something there WRT JM. Time will certainly tell.

There is also, “paralysis by analysis” which I can sometimes struggle with myself.