Question: Are schools fed up with NCAA in relation to Camgate

[edwd58]

So, just to be clear...you are saying that if a kid, any kid, not just Cam, has no knowledge that this stuff is going on AND there is nothing that links his current university to any wrongdoing, then the kid should still have his college career ruined? How in the world is that fair to the kid or the university?

I am not saying that something will not eventually come out that Cam, AU, or both knew something or participated in some way...If that comes out, then AU should be hammered, and like I said, I also want to see the players somehow get hammered too...However, if it doesn't come out, and all that is ever shown is that Cam's dad and MSU were the involved parties, then in no way, shape, form, or fashion do I think that Cam and/or AU should be punished...Maybe we'll disagree there, but I feel very strongly about that

Fair would have been for the father to have followed the rules, but he chose not to. So, from that point forward, the ability to claim anything that followed isn't fair, has no part in this. It's about following the rules as they exist at the time of the actions, otherwise, no point in having rules. Surely you can see the inherent problems with implementing a caveat that says "as long the the prospective student athlete doesn't have any knowledge, his representative (whether it be a parent or otherwise) is free to circumvent the rules at their discretion with no repercussions attaching to the athlete." In a normal situation, it would be the parent taking measures to prevent outside interests from engaging in activities that would jeopardize their child's eligibility. In this case, however, it is the very parent engaged in this activity, he put his son's eligibility at risk. The father knowingly broke the rules as they existed at the time of his solicitation, which leaves me asking: why should the kid not be punished? Ignorance of, or lack of knowledge of, the crime doesn't excuse the crime. That doesn't mean I can't feel bad for the kid.

It's the father that has to look his son in the eye and explain why he ruined his college career. It wasn't the NCAA. Time will tell whether AU/MSU is guilty of any wrongdoing in regards to Cam, the judge and jury are still out on that one. Bottom line for me; rules were knowingly broken, with blatant disregard in my opinion, therefore, the NCAA should punish someone (they can't touch the father) or this type behavior will become rampant and potentially disastrous for college football, and I feel strongly about that.

We'll likely have to agree to disagree... no harm in that.

 

[Just Win]

I love it. The conversation would go something like this:

Father: Son, you're a great player, and I think i can get a good bit of money for your services on the football field in college. All you have to do is consistently deny knowing anything about it, and we can get off scot free. And the NCAA can't even make you swear that you are telling the truth, because they have no subpoena power and have no legal authority.

Son: OK. Get as much as you can Dad. I'd love to see you with a new church and a brand new $60K tricked out pickup truck.

Great precedent you're setting, NCAA.

 

[DWiser]

Did Albert Means know he was being shopped/bought? If not, maybe we can go back and get some victories put back on... just a thought, since the Barn found this loophole, maybe other schools can benefit also

 

[BDE]

The whole SEC stands to make gazillions of espn $ off of an SECCG that's filled with more drama than a whole season of desperate housewives. I hope i'm way off base, but I can't help but fear that greed is gonna wind up ruining the spirit of college football.

 

[uagirl]

I can't help but fear that greed is gonna wind up ruining the spirit of college football.

Too late. College football is all about profit now. The NCAA and SEC can come up with all kinds of maggoty reasoning to allow this, but the bottom line is it is all about money. It has been for years.

It is the reason why schools compete so much for good teams, good programs and winning years bring in more money. Drama and good match ups bring in more ratings, which equal more money. The BCS is totally designed to bring in money for NCAA, the bowl owners, and the conferences. College football has been all about money for a really long time, they are just being more blatant about it.

 

[dave12]

They should just make it clear, you can buy 25 players a year as long as the money goes to the parents, with deny-ability of knowledge from the student athlete.

The rich schools will bid the most on the top players, and once they fill their allotment and their recruiting class is full, play ball.

:BigA:

It looks to me like that's whats gonna happen after this ruling. The NZAA just shot themselves in the foot IMO.


RTR:BigA:

 

[Let's Roll Tide]

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OK. I am fed up with this possible "Cam did not know what daddy was doing crap". IF Cam can call MS and state "I am sorry but the money is too good / not enough, etc", he damn sure knows if anything occurred with the barn and/or any other school in the running for his services........ NO BRAINER, his fake smile tells the story he is a self centered con-artist........ What the crap is the NCAA thinking? Idiots. Maybe new ("rationale") investigators will join their team? Not holding my breath. RTR

Is the NCAA just completely disregarding this statement or does there have to be some type of taped phone conversations to prove it. Really, I just don't get it...
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[Let's Roll Tide]

its impossible for msu to get in trouble. when they were told they had to pay to get cam, they said no thanks.

if a prostitute walked up to you on the street and said she'd give you sex but you'd have to pay, are you in trouble if you say "no thanks, because that's against the law?" of course you wouldn't because you resisted the temptation to break the law, like msu also did.

Just Win, you are employing logic in your argument. Please remember that the NCAA does not use this in deciding their cases...
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[dave12]

Here's what needs to be explained or figured out: how does a player who was all but 100% committed to one school (Miss St.) end up at another school (Auburn) where he'd shown only passing interest?

I'll offer an explanation - Cecil Newton accepted some big moolah to direct his son to Auburn. Period. End of sentence. And for anyone to genuinely believe Cam is so innocent and "knew nothing," then, well, they need their head examined.

We already know $cam is a thief and a cheat. So now we're supposed to believe he's some gullible little boy who's daddy is the bad guy?

Puuuuuleaaaaze!

Even Stevie Wonder can see what's going on.

Absolutely, well said.
And i totally believe Milton McGregor payed the money to Cecil Newton through
one of his ( off limits to the public ) bingo machines.
Thats how he payed Larry Langford, and other politicians.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

its impossible for msu to get in trouble. when they were told they had to pay to get cam, they said no thanks.

if a prostitute walked up to you on the street and said she'd give you sex but you'd have to pay, are you in trouble if you say "no thanks, because that's against the law?" of course you wouldn't because you resisted the temptation to break the law, like msu also did.

I can't see State being in trouble even if they did negotiate with Cecil because SEC and NCAA have already said "because no money actually changed hands" there was no harm, no foul. No handshake, no crime. I gotta rememeber that one.

 

[IH8Orange]

The barn defense:

Defendant: "Yes, your honor. I did offer a bribe to the prosecuting attorney, but no money changed hands and I didn't even know that I was doing it."

Judge: "Oh, OK. Not guilty."

Defendant: "Wah eaguh"

 

[UA2373]

If this had been us, right now Saban would be packing his bags because the NCAA would've made an example out of us... I often wonder if Lowder has some sort of pull with the NCAA.

I've never seen the NCAA as being particularly vulnerable to payoffs but if anybody might try it would be the bunch down SE. I suppose we could all ask Santa for the greatest gift of all- for the FEDS investigation not only to take down AU, but also expose a corrupt element within the NCAA brass- taking them down as well. Wishful thinking but it is that time of the year and we have been told repeatedly that this is much, much bigger than Cam. Maybe yesterday's speedy surprise ruling on a mysteriously unknown declaration was the last gasp of an agency on board the same sinking ship as Auburn.

 

[irNate]

So, if a kid is getting shopped...there is no evidence that he was involved, and there is no evidence that the school he is currently at did any wrongdoing, why should he not play??? I actually applaud the NCAA for not completely screwing over the kid for once...i usually hate the NCAA for their stupid rules that can work against the kids they are supposedly trying to protect, but here they did the right thing

Now, if new evidence comes out later that he did know, then that's where the NCAA and the NFL need to work out some sort of system where the player is punished after the fact bc right now, the players get of without anything...But, as of now, there is NOTHING that indicates Cam was anything but a victim of his sleeze-ball dad, so why should he pay the price?

Here is the problem with that thought. Cam wasn't the one making the decision on where he was going to school. Cecil was making the decisions, and money was an influential factor in Cecil's decision. Now if Cam had been the one deciding where he wanted to go to school, your argument would be more viable. The fact of the matter is that the person making the decision of where Cam plays at was involved in a PFP scheme.

 

[BamaBeta]

Here is the problem with that thought. Cam wasn't the one making the decision on where he was going to school. Cecil was making the decisions, and money was an influential factor in Cecil's decision. Now if Cam had been the one deciding where he wanted to go to school, your argument would be more viable. The fact of the matter is that the person making the decision of where Cam plays at was involved in a PFP scheme.

^This. Cam said all along that the decision was ultimately up to his father. If his father is making the decision, his father is, by definition, an agent for Cam Newton. This is the only legal way that kids can have agents before playing D-1 sports. The NCAA would be wise to punish Cam Newton once they acknowledged that violations had occurred during his ruling. Auburn still has plausible deniability, but Cam does not.